HiLux gets new diesel

[SSF556]

Also, noisy, smelly, sooty, and in bad for you in a million ways. It is little wonder that they wore out their welcome in America.
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Have you actually been around a diesel engine in the last 15 years? Your comment has no merit at all.


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[bkg]

Also, noisy, smelly, sooty, and in bad for you in a million ways. It is little wonder that they wore out their welcome in America.

Honestly, if you really desire torque, then a hybrid is what you're after. After all, every locomotive you see is electric or diesel-electric for a reason. Electric motors produce gobs of torque at the bottom end of the RPM curve. Have you seen what the Tesla can do 0-60 ? It wouldn't be difficult to adapt that tech to trucks where there are fewer weight constraints and more demand for the benefits (higher torque, lower MPG).

My gut reaction to your post is to ask if you are high.

 

[gmacmt]

Diesel electric doesnt make sense in standard consumer cars until batteries see massive improvements (like understanding how to use graphene).

Teslas are cool, but nothing makes sense like burning dinosaurs right now, especially with oil expected to be trading trading well below $100/barrel for the next decade. Maybe once people have an economic incentive to care about the environment will we see diesel hybrid electric.

Also, I am a big advocate of diesel trucks. I just dont see the reason to run one in a taco. Like everyone here said, if this was 1995 and first gen tacos were still on the market with their tiny form factor and a 4cyl turbo diesel with lenient emissions regs, I would probably be test driving one. But a friend of mine who is working on an expedition f-350 diesel has had to dedicate quite a bit of time to figure out how to run without all the emissions controls.

And to the bottom end argument. I understand that to a point, but then look at what kinda terrain guys are running with 22re's.

YMMV, NTTAWWT, etc.

 

[Finlay]

Have you actually been around a diesel engine in the last 15 years? Your comment has no merit at all.

Newer diesels improve upon things, granted. Especially the past 2-3 years. But the comment explicitly referenced "older diesels". I used those much of my life - one of my first cars was an Olds Cutlass Diesel, even.

My neighbor across the street has a 03 7.3L Ford pickup. I can tell you when he goes to work everyday, and our bedroom is on the other side of the house. What a cantankerous beast - and it's stock! The cabover fruitliner I used to drive in the mid90s was quieter - although still pretty stinky and sooty. The internationals some of the other guys got were less noisy than that, even, but still sooty and smelly beasts. The last diesel I owned was a rabbit diesel. Great mileage. Very temperamental.

Don't get me wrong, diesel engines are impressive. But then so are steam locomotives - for many of the same reasons. FWIW, My dad used to repair diesel electric locomotives - so many good times hanging out in the roundhouse pretending I was a train engineer! It's part of what inspired me to pursue a degree in engineering.

Fact remains though - if you really desire torque, electric is where it's at. It's simple physics.

 

[toylandcruiser]

Also, noisy, smelly, sooty, and in bad for you in a million ways. It is little wonder that they wore out their welcome in America.

Honestly, if you really desire torque, then a hybrid is what you're after. After all, every locomotive you see is electric or diesel-electric for a reason. Electric motors produce gobs of torque at the bottom end of the RPM curve. Have you seen what the Tesla can do 0-60 ? It wouldn't be difficult to adapt that tech to trucks where there are fewer weight constraints and more demand for the benefits (higher torque, lower MPG).

Actually diesel exhaust is not as bad for you as gas exhaust. Soot just falls to the ground and doesn't contribute to air pollution. I like the noise of diesels. Just like some like v-8s.


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[Ryanmb21]

I'd buy a hybrid Tacoma based on the excellent reliability of all Toyota hybrids.

 

[Dalko43]

Don't get me wrong, diesel engines are impressive. But then so are steam locomotives - for many of the same reasons. FWIW, My dad used to repair diesel electric locomotives - so many good times hanging out in the roundhouse pretending I was a train engineer! It's part of what inspired me to pursue a degree in engineering.

Fact remains though - if you really desire torque, electric is where it's at. It's simple physics.

Yeah no crap electric motors provide greater torque in a quicker fashion than internal combustion engines....And a suit of medieval armor provides better protection against physical assault than does office attire, but who has the time or inclination to wear that stuff???

Until electric vehicles are capable of sustained and robust performance for longer periods of time/distances, their added torque advantage doesn't mean much...unless we are talking about hybrid vehicles where the electricity is supplementing the traditional Internal Combustion Engines (think Mclaren P1 with the dual gas and electric motors). That kind of technology has started to appear in more accessible vehicles (Chevy Volt, Toyota Prius, BMW I3 and I8, ect.). I think it's only a matter of time before companies like Toyota make that technology available on SUV's and trucks, especially on diesels where the already good fuel economy will get enhanced even further.

 

[calicamper]

Yeah no crap electric motors provide greater torque in a quicker fashion than internal combustion engines....And a suit of medieval armor provides better protection against physical assault than does office attire, but who has the time or inclination to wear that stuff???

Until electric vehicles are capable of sustained and robust performance for longer periods of time/distances, their added torque advantage doesn't mean much...unless we are talking about hybrid vehicles where the electricity is supplementing the traditional Internal Combustion Engines (think Mclaren P1 with the dual gas and electric motors). That kind of technology has started to appear in more accessible vehicles (Chevy Volt, Toyota Prius, BMW I3 and I8, ect.). I think it's only a matter of time before companies like Toyota make that technology available on SUV's and trucks, especially on diesels where the already good fuel economy will get enhanced even further.

Wifes mom just picked up the Hybrid Crosstrek which packs a bit more power and grunt than the non hybrid version. I drove it and can say its noticable having that added punch from the electric side of the program. If you travel a bunch via airports chat up your prius driving taxi drivers. What amazes me is the mileage they are getting out of those cars. The last one I was in up in Seattle had 400K on the clock - two owner car said they run almost 24/7 between the two of them driving and that most of the prius taxi guys are doing new crate engines at 350,000 but the electrics and the transmission are seeing well beyond 600,000 miles in some cases. Which I find pretty amazing.

 

[DrivingMissRosey]

And? This is all speculation. I promise you haven't heard this from an official source


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That poster might not have heard it from an official source, but here is one:
http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_s...016-toyota-tacoma-chief-engineer-mike-sweers/

Toyota is a long ways away from even realizing that a midsized truck, like the Hilux, which is not a Tacoma with a diesel motor, could sell in the US.

 

[Dalko43]

Wifes mom just picked up the Hybrid Crosstrek which packs a bit more power and grunt than the non hybrid version. I drove it and can say its noticable having that added punch from the electric side of the program. If you travel a bunch via airports chat up your prius driving taxi drivers. What amazes me is the mileage they are getting out of those cars. The last one I was in up in Seattle had 400K on the clock - two owner car said they run almost 24/7 between the two of them driving and that most of the prius taxi guys are doing new crate engines at 350,000 but the electrics and the transmission are seeing well beyond 600,000 miles in some cases. Which I find pretty amazing.

Yeah, though I don't intend to buy one, I certainly appreciate the significance behind the prius, and similarly designed vehicles. Once Toyota starts to apply that same technology towards its more "rugged" line-ups, I think us enthusiasts will see some clear advancements in terms of torque, mpg, efficiency, ect.