How important is GVWR?

[Clutch]

I think we need a dedicated sub-forum for @Clutch to pontificate on his world views and experiences.

That should help with keeping the other threads on topic.

No it wouldn't, only would add to the chaos! I was doing good until you started giving me crap. You do know you can ignore me or simply don't read what I write if you don't like it. Hey, I like to ****************...think most of the people on here do. My experiences directly relate to this glorified car camping hobby. Some may like it, some may not...I don't care. I come in here to ******** chat because it entertains me. If you don't like it, too bad bad for you. I gave you two super easy solutions.



Never did answer me. Do you have any real life heavy hauling experience? If you do, great!


If you don't, not sure why you frequent these payload and towing discussions.


Seems like you get real quiet when I ask...

 

[Dalko43]

Never did answer me. Do you have any real life heavy hauling experience? If you do, great!

I did answer you actually. You asked that question in another thread. But I think you post and write so much that you tend to forget the topics assigned to each thread.

Ignore works both ways. I'm fine with seeing your tangential comments, so long as I'm able to give you crap for them...

If you don't like that, your options are: ignore function; or stop writing off-topic posts.

If you don't, not sure why you frequent these payload and towing discussions.

So a person needs to have extensive experience in heavy hauling and towing in order to understand that it's a good idea to follow the OEM's payload and towing ratings? Does one also need to have a degree in aeronautical engineering in order to understand why it's a good idea to pull the cord on a parachute?


Edit: By the way, my suggestion of giving you a dedicated thread to comment in seems to be working as intended. So why are you getting testy with me?

 

[Clutch]

I did answer you actually. You asked that question in another thread. But I think you post and write so much that you tend to forget the topics assigned to each thread.

Ignore works both ways. I'm fine with seeing your tangential comments, so long as I'm able to give you crap for them...

If you don't like that, your options are: ignore function; or stop writing off-topic posts.



So a person needs to have extensive experience in heavy hauling and towing in order to understand that it's a good idea to follow the OEM's payload and towing ratings? Does one also need to have a degree in aeronautical engineering in order to understand why it's a good idea to pull the cord on a parachute?


Edit: By the way, my suggestion of giving you a dedicated thread to comment in seems to be working as intended. So why are you getting testy with me?

Oh I know I asked you in another thread .

So you don’t have any heavy hauling experience then? You’re spec sheet reader. Is experience necessary? No, but it sure is helpful to know what you’re talking about. If I was an astronaut I surely wouldn’t want a rocket built by an internet warrior.

And you give me ******** about talking about diesels and yet have no intention of buying one. Ok got it... hello pot!

Not testy at all...sarcastic yes...testy or angry no...

 

[Dalko43]

Oh I know I asked you in another thread .

So you don’t have any heavy hauling experience then? You’re spec sheet reader.

And you give me **** about talking about diesels and yet have no intention of buying one. Ok got it... hello pot!

Not testy at all...sarcastic yes...testy or angry no...

You sound pretty testy to me....maybe you should do some breathing exercises and go air out your feelings in that thread we set up for you.

 

[Clutch]

You sound pretty testy to me....maybe you should do some breathing exercises and go air out your feelings in that thread we set up for you.

Not testy at all, since you have the sense of humor of dead carp...must be going over your head. I swear a lot in real life...must be cause I am an ex construction guy...is that why you think I am testy? Try to sensor myself on here, but kinda over that.

Having some real world experience helps with that you know...


..all these payload and towing threads you love to post in. Yeah pretty much take what you write with a grain of salt. Since you have no real world experience in the matter. Why do you even post in them? I know why, whether you like it or not you’re just like me and like to ****************.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Came across this about GVM upgrades in Australia. Thought it was interesting that certification seems to be about testing vehicle handling.

http://www.westcoastsuspension.com.au/gvm-upgrades/

 

[Paddler Ed]

Came across this about GVM upgrades in Australia. Thought it was interesting that certification seems to be about testing vehicle handling.

http://www.westcoastsuspension.com.au/gvm-upgrades/

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Also applies when lifted over a certain height (both suspension and tyre changes) - in line with some of the comments elsewhere in the thread about tyre sizes and suspension changes - and also tyre and track width.

 

[Ozrockrat]

Factory rating is not just about that ability to carry/pull the weight. It is about the ability to stop and it’s handling.

Most little expo trucks (yes I include up to the 2500 rigs) are now running larger diameter tires and carrying a lot of weight. That severely impacts the braking capacity and high speed maneuverability.

This is one of the reasons I have gone with a “real” truck . Fully loaded I have nearly 5000# spare payload. That depends on what motorcycle I am carrying. The truck is available out of the factory with tires the size I will be going to 43”. So under weight and not oversized tires. Why risk the margins when there is the right tool for the job out there somewhere.

I agree with a previous poster (paraphrasing here because I am too lazy to look back for the quote) “if you want to carry xx # get an xx truck”

Now if my truck got more than 8 mpg and you could park it in a single car park it would be perfect. .

 

[L3TT3RS]

The way I view it is that the OEM makes these ratings based on factory components. If you have more weight you typically compensate with higher capacity springs. Gvwr is less than what your Gcwr. Brakes are going to be sufficient for your gcwr it will be more than sufficient for your "overloaded" modified vehicle. Turning your vehicle is something that is moot. Once you inevitably lift your vehicle, the geometry of the suspension is changed. The steering is is changed with the suspension geometry. I guess you could say I'm like
"meh" about concerns about being over weight.

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[Ryanmb21]

^nope

 

[s.e.charles]

too hot to even putter in the garage the other day, so I popped open a seltzer and started clearing out my saved links files on the old HP. I chuckled at how old some of them were, plenty of 404 and 'website doesn't exist' warnings. I felt sad when I could no longer reach Mr Sharkey's Bus barn, which was one of the first bus conversion sites I ever found.

anyway, one of the more recent cap & camper sites was boldly listing slide in units for half-ton trucks as dry weighted at 1,375#. no disclaimer or cautions or suggestions of mandatory equipment upgrade to make it a safe add-on.

Q: how can a company basically flaunt this claim, and still be allowed ( by someone - I don't know who governs this stuff) to stay in business?

even if there is no governing body, I would think the lawyers would have shut this down by now. sorry I did not save the link, but I was in "clean house" mode. and if one company is getting away with it, there are probably others.

 

[ngilby3]

My Tacoma has a number of aftermarket pieces added by the PO to include Icon stage 4 suspension and OME heavy leaf packs and a camper shell.

There is a sticker in the door jamb that states "Modifications to this vehicle have reduced the original load carrying capacity by 2 kg or 5 lbs." The decal has the VIN number on it, so I'm not sure who generated it. I wonder how they determined that it was 5 pounds and not 10 or 40 pounds?

It’s for dealer installed accessories. At 5 lbs, it’s probably floor mats.
https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2010/RCONL-10V035-0123.pdf

 

[haven]

C’mon guys-try to keep a modicum of civility in this thread. I know this is mostly good-natured ribbing, but ExPo tries to have a higher standard than the other 4x4 forums. Teasing about someone else’s truck brand is not ok.

The moderators are now looking at this thread more closely. If you see a post that you think steps across the line, please report it.

 

[Clutch]

This popped on my FB feed.

https://www.truckcampermagazine.com/camper-tech/systems/how-tow-with-a-truck-camper-rig/

 

[Kors Camps]

The topic of GVWR is not frequently considered in the overland community. So this thread really interest me.

Truth is a vast majority of fully built Jeeps and Toyotas are indeed loaded well beyond GVWR. The full scoop on how auto manufactures test, measure and ultimately rate their vehicles load capacities is not entirely known to the general public and is widely debated especially in the full size pickup and RV communities where even dual rear wheel diesel owners often exceed their GVWR and GCVWR. A bigger truck doesn't always solve the problem.

Suffice to say a RAM 3500 with a 30,000lbs tow rating will perform fine loaded beyond its rated capacities, just as a Tacoma will perform fine loaded beyond its rated capacities for many miles over many years, on many terrains for many owners. Its reasonable to assume that most manufactures "under rate" their vehicles for reliability, liability, and warranty concerns as well as other regulatory factors that none of us completely understand.

And what about axle load ratings and how it all interacts with tire load capacity, load distribution,trailer tongue weight, brakes and suspension configuration? What about common sense?

My primary concern is personal legal liability. If Im involved in an automobile accident that an attorney or insurance company could associate with my vehicle being loaded beyond its GVWR or GCVWR, I could be in trouble. To me this is obvious but for many it's not an issue. So be it.



Here's something I saw last week at a rest stop in Skagit County, on Interstate 5... An entire household worth of stuff strapped to a Passat Wagon. HAHA!