hydraulic winch options

[Nonimouse]

I think it's because they are an engineering company rather than a company that sell 4x4 kit.

The parent company Red Start Design is a very well known in the specialist design and build world - they do work for Ford's PAG and my own real job employers for example (we do a bit of civil engineering)

I have to agree with you - it's not information I need to know

 

[michel]

http://www.red-winches.com/

Nothing better anywhere when it comes to hydraulic winches for 4x4 and 6x6

54 minutes from my house

Export is not a problem

I'm liking what I see here. sized right but higher quality. It' would be pretty hard to buy sight unseen. Being british I have to worry about the seals leaking to:coffeedrink: I take it no dealers in canada. Do you have experiance with them?

 

[michel]

I have owned a number of MM hydro's over the years (still have 2) and they are great winches and well within the strength requirement for a off road truck.

One of the things to keep in mind about winches is the overall weight of the set up. Many of the pierce or ramsey units are just plain stupid heavy and adding that much weight onto a small rover is a really poor idea as the added strength of the larger winch is not needed as the MM winch allready operates as a 100% duty cycle unit at the line pull ratings a 6000 lb truck requires.

Yeah noticed that on the pierce, that's a heavy monster.

 

[Nonimouse]

I'm liking what I see here. sized right but higher quality. It' would be pretty hard to buy sight unseen. Being british I have to worry about the seals leaking to:coffeedrink: I take it no dealers in canada. Do you have experiance with them?

Yes (in a word)

I'm down there on Saturday to do a photo shoot and get some more info for an article on them.

I've used the kit a bit, in anger, seen the production and build quality and am now trying to decide which of my kids to sell so I can buy one

 

[michel]

Yes (in a word)

I'm down there on Saturday to do a photo shoot and get some more info for an article on them.

I've used the kit a bit, in anger, seen the production and build quality and am now trying to decide which of my kids to sell so I can buy one

How many kids do we have to sell for one of those bad boys?

 

[Nonimouse]

I'll let you know

Artcle should be in LRM within the next couple of months

But I was thinking of sending OJ a shortened version with some nice piccies

 

[Antichrist]

I'll let you know

Artcle should be in LRM within the next couple of months

But I was thinking of sending OJ a shortened version with some nice piccies

If it's in the Dec issue or before let me know, I'll have my wife pick up a copy when she's there in Dec.

 

[Nonimouse]

Excellent morning down at Red

Interesting snippet is that a US retailer is now on the cards

In the UK, two hi speed single speed winches, fitting kit, pump and assorted sundry like a tank works out at about $4,747.00

I took a friend down with me, ex RFC top dog, and then chief scout, competed to very hi level in Aus, ran long distance expo events in China, South America and various. 14 year a merchant marine engineer etc etc

He was blown away by the build quality - just sat in a corner looking at bits and muttering "must have one..." again and again

 

[michel]

He was blown away by the build quality - just sat in a corner looking at bits and muttering "must have one..." again and again

LOL

But seriously, that's real money you talking here.

 

[michel]

Excellent morning down at Red

Interesting snippet is that a US retailer is now on the cards

In the UK, two hi speed single speed winches, fitting kit, pump and assorted sundry like a tank works out at about $4,747.00

Did you say 2?

 

[Nonimouse]

Did you say 2?

Yup - two. As in 2; 1 + 1

Three less one

Two

So for less than the price of a Gigglepin winch you get two winches, pump, fitting kit all the bits you need

 

[Nonimouse]

Do you want me to send yours over wrapped in Birthday present paper

 

[Ray Hyland]

OK, going away from the spirit of this thread a bit, but:

I have a MM on my D110 running off the standard PS pump. Reliable but super super slow. (My PTO has been taken up by my Roverdrive so I can't put a PTO Hydraulic pump on.)

I have a 200tdi with Air Con, so I am wondering about mounting an additional belt-driven hydr pump, or maybe even another PS pump, plumbed-in to power the winch. I am in Canada so it is easy to get a US-spec PS pump like the MM was originally designed to use. (I know the ZF pumps are available but they seem very expensive for a simple pump).

But I am wondering, If I replace my standard land rover PS pump with a high power, high-flow US pump out of an F350 or something similar, am I going to start wrecking/bending my stock steering components? Or will it be ok as long as I don't crank the wheel over to full lock?

Ray

 

[Jim K in PA]

Do you know what the bypass pressure and flow rate is on your stock pump? A stock Jeep TJ PS pump is set at about 1350psi at 3.5gpm. I just picked up a MM winch, and it's rated capacity is at 1500 psi, flowing about 3.5gpm. You will not speed up your winch with a higher pressure pump, or a higher flowing pump. If your stock PS pump is flowing less than 3.5gpm, then going to a higher flow pump (up to 3.5gpm) will help speed the winch up a bit. If your stock pump is at or higher than 1500psi, then you will see no increase in winch capacity. If your stock PS pump is upgraded substantially beyond the original rated pressure, you could potentially bend steering parts.

A hydraulic winch is designed to go slow for a reason - they don't stop until you tell them to, or the pump pressure is inadequate. A loaded hydraulic winch is just as fast, or just as slow, as a loaded electric winch. The only way to make a hydraulic winch faster is to increase the flow rate, and that requires port modifications.

Not sure if this is more than you were asking for, but there it is.

OK, going away from the spirit of this thread a bit, but:

I have a MM on my D110 running off the standard PS pump. Reliable but super super slow. (My PTO has been taken up by my Roverdrive so I can't put a PTO Hydraulic pump on.)

I have a 200tdi with Air Con, so I am wondering about mounting an additional belt-driven hydr pump, or maybe even another PS pump, plumbed-in to power the winch. I am in Canada so it is easy to get a US-spec PS pump like the MM was originally designed to use. (I know the ZF pumps are available but they seem very expensive for a simple pump).

But I am wondering, If I replace my standard land rover PS pump with a high power, high-flow US pump out of an F350 or something similar, am I going to start wrecking/bending my stock steering components? Or will it be ok as long as I don't crank the wheel over to full lock?

Ray

 

[Ray Hyland]

I believe the stock pump is probably about half the pressure and a third the flow rate of what is recommended by MM.

It moves at the crawl rate of a centipede that has been stepped on by a young antelope, and the 12000 lb winch pulls at an estimated max of about 9000 lbs.

The Defender has Power "assisted" steering. Not power steering in the modern sense of the word.

I am not seeking competitive performance, I just want to winch myself across the river before it ices up for the winter...