I want a land rover but....

[jrose609]

I don't get the feeling Chris is always gentle with his vehicle. I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't give a crapola about what the good folks on the mud 80 series forum think about him driving a rover....

This section was gentle ......:ylsmoke:

 

[toylandcruiser]

I echo those last sentiments: find a good one and maintain it properly with regualr services, good quality fluids and high quality parts (ie. not Britpart stuff) and it should serve you well. Like the others said, you will get niggling faults on old vehicles, but LRs seldom leave you stranded. And while we consider LR's reputaion for poor reliability, consider Toyota with their total brake failures, igniting window sitches, steering and hand brake faults and so on, and consider that's on brand new vehicles...

Most on this form fervently disagree with me, but the UK experience of the LR3/RRS has been very poor with respect to reliability and maintenance. They are wonderful cars when they're working, but they suffer a lot of problems with EGR valves, turbo chargers, HEVAC servo motors, air suspension and various ECUs, while they also go through suspension bushes, tyres, discs and pads at a rate that will make your eyes water. Manual transmissions are reliable (as are the automatics), but a clutch change requires the entire body to be removed form the chassis (costing about £1500 in the UK for what should have been be a medium to easy job), and they appear to have weak suspension wishbones (cheap, welded steel pressings instead of heavy forged intems). They're not really viable as a DIY repair vehicle, either - there are just too many ECUs to deal with unless you can afford your own diagnostic and fault clearing tools. In essence, they're great to own under warranty, but will be a real headache when they get older as they have been very poorly designed with respect to maintenance, contrasting heavily with the older vehicles which were astonshingly easy to maintain with their easy access to most parts, simple construction and philosphy of repairable and refurbishable assemblies rather than sealed units.

I would like to see proof of these known Toyota failures.


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[ipgregory]

I don't know. To some degree it's a matter of perspective. I would expect an almost 20 year old cooling system to be in need of replacement, no matter what factory it rolled out of.

I don't get the feeling Chris is always gentle with his vehicle. I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't give a crapola about what the good folks on the mud 80 series forum think about him driving a rover....

I am certainly not gentle with mine. Any of them. They get used.

I also don’t get the way people are always complaining that things break or are worn out on their 15-20+ year old vehicles and call them faults or failings with the brand??? You buy a 15yr old Toyota or Ford or Chevy or whatever and something needs fixing do you blame the brand? No? But on a LR if the 20yr old radiator needs replacing or some TLC or something its LRs fault?

 

[toylandcruiser]

I am certainly not gentle with mine. Any of them. They get used.

I also don’t get the way people are always complaining that things break or are worn out on their 15-20+ year old vehicles and call them faults or failings with the brand??? You buy a 15yr old Toyota or Ford or Chevy or whatever and something needs fixing do you blame the brand? No? But on a LR if the 20yr old radiator needs replacing or some TLC or something its LRs fault?

But the difference is when to you purchase a new truck and it starts failing right out of the door. A 20 year old average Toyota will probably on average be more reliable and fail less than a land rover.


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[ipgregory]

But the difference is when to you purchase a new truck and it starts failing right out of the door. A 20 year old average Toyota will probably on average be more reliable and fail less than a land rover.

{Sarcasm Font on} No doubt that explains why there are more 20+yr old Toyotas running around for us to complain about then. {Sarcasm Font Off}.

Let’s be honest shall we? LR screwed up. The DII and P38 were/are a clusterf$%k. The end of life lack of investment in the tooling for the RV8 for its final few years was a bad idea coupled to its increased volume in the US at the time. Increased electrical complexity that was badly thought out coupled with changing and mixing of electrical sub systems that were not properly tested. Etc., etc. Not good moves on the part of LR (or lets be more honest, mostly BMW at the time). But also not a reason to beat the rest of the brands vehicles before or since with the same stick now is it?

To the OP, avoid the P38 and DII if you want reliability. Both can be a nightmare and the main source of most of the LR reliability stories. LR3/4 are proving to be much more reliable after Ford got the company back on track. Earlier models from before the company was sold off to be raped by BMW such as the RRC, D1 and the Defenders are simple vehicles that are easy to fix/maintain but are also getting quite old (15yrs for the youngest NAS D90, 17yrs for the youngest RRC and 13yrs for the youngest D1). They will need more care and TLC because of their age as ANY vehicles will, regardless of brand.

The youngest of the Series vehicles are so old now that they should only be considered if you want to spend a lot of time maintaining and tinkering with them on average. As you would with any other 30+yr old vehicles.

 

[roverrocks]

Get your Rover "WAKE". Live the dream. Mine has served me well for 8 years and 87,000 often very rough miles miles as both an exploration truck and daily driver in Colorado, Utah, and Arizona. Has it ever let me down big time? Yea. Has it ever been my dream truck? 99% of the time. Go for it. Pictures from Utah last weekend.

 

[I Leak Oil]

A 20 year old average Toyota will probably on average be more reliable and fail less than a land rover.

Probably. But to some that isn't the only determining factor to buying a vehicle. Many are still buying KNOWING the reputation (real or internet lore).

 

[toylandcruiser]

Probably. But to some that isn't the only determining factor to buying a vehicle. Many are still buying KNOWING the reputation (real or internet lore).

Which has Internet lore?


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[ipgregory]

Which has Internet lore?

Both.

 

[I Leak Oil]

Yup, both....

 

[Antichrist]

Assuming a D1 or RRC, use the correct thermostat (most auto parts stores list a 195, it should be 180), install a mechanical oil pressure and water temp gauge, recore the radiator, install a new fan clutch and you'll drastically reduce the chances of engine trouble, particularly if you start with a "fresh" engine.

 

[REDrum]

I don't buy into the whole Land-Rovers-are-pieces-of-crap argument.
Bottom line: a well-maintained Land Rover is as reliable as any vehicle of it's vintage, in my opinion.

Not so much....

Own multiple LRs and I'm married to an Italian woman, but I fully realize the high maintenance and repair factor associated with both. LR are iconic, but not reliable.

This scenario is repeated often at my house....

 

[Eniam17]

REDrum how long have you had that RRC? There was a similar one for sale down in Cape Cod a year or so ago, wondering if it's the same one?

 

[proper4wd]

Nice looking Range Rover, I havent seen it around Cambridge yet. My parents live there and I'm frequently stuck in traffic in the area.

 

[REDrum]

REDrum how long have you had that RRC? There was a similar one for sale down in Cape Cod a year or so ago, wondering if it's the same one?

LOL, no mine is a different PITA. I tried to buy parts from the one you are thinking of but could never quite connect with the guy. No idea where that one went.

I havent seen it around Cambridge yet. My parents live there and I'm frequently stuck in traffic in the area.

Thats because it has to be running to be in traffic.... Plus I'm on bicycle more than in truck in Cambridge.