INEOS Grenadier

[nickw]

A "ground-up" designed piece by Tremec thats pretty much a copy of a Land Rover LT230. Gear driven, "E" pattern shift.. high and low up/down; lock and unlocked center diff left/right. 2.5:1 low.

This is the LT230 for example:

Maybe I'm slow but that is not a intuitive graphic at all. Why the "1 / 2" at the bottom? What does the "0<->5" have to do with anything? So the transfercase is a figure 8 pattern? When on the left you have diff locked when on right you have open diff, High and Low in each?

 

[dragonbyu]

Maybe I'm slow but that is not a intuitive graphic at all. Why the "1 / 2" at the bottom? What does the "0<->5" have to do with anything? So the transfercase is a figure 8 pattern? When on the left you have diff locked when on right you have open diff, High and Low in each?
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1 / 2 shows the order of operations.
First you slow down to less than 5 mph put trans in neutral.
Second operation is move the transfer case lever to low or high depending on conditions.
Left is diff lock. Right is transfer case open. Yes high and low in each.

 

[nickw]

That ^^^ would be a maintenance issue. Far better to break a u-joint in a parking lot than crossing a swift water stream.... I have never broken a u=joint mostly because my Jeep goes to a shop twice a year for an oil change..... and any good shop/mechanic will check the driveline, steering, brakes..... even the lights, signals and wipers as part of that semi annual oil change. Last oil change they also changed the transfer case oil.

You get what you pay for and often it saves you a lot of grief.

PS
An idiot can break anything.

I still think you are going to have the most ideal traction situation on dry pavement and probably most likely to break something vs rocks or offroad. Offroad, even on rocks, you should have some wheel slip F -> R, pavement you wont besides your tires slipping / scrubbing. My Ram 2500 gets a downright nasty bind on dry pavement, the longer wheel base vs my older trucks is certainly part of the reason.

 

[mk216v]

A "ground-up" designed piece by Tremec thats pretty much a copy of a Land Rover LT230. Gear driven, "E" pattern shift.. high and low up/down; lock and unlocked center diff left/right. 2.5:1 low.

Was interested to hear Scott Brady say that the F&R lockers are e-lockers. Anyone know if they're actual Eaton brand?

 

[ChasingOurTrunks]

I understand that "E Locker" in this context is "Electronic Locker" meaning they use an electronic servo to engage and disengage the locker. Might even be magical magnets involved. I thought the lockers were Eaton, but I haven't been able to find a source that 100% confirms why I think that. But they are for sure electronic (not air, not cable) so until we know for sure I would assume "e-locker" means "electronic locker" and not "eaton locker".

 

[mk216v]

I understand that "E Locker" in this context is "Electronic Locker" meaning they use an electronic servo to engage and disengage the locker. Might even be magical magnets involved. I thought the lockers were Eaton, but I haven't been able to find a source that 100% confirms why I think that. But they are for sure electronic (not air, not cable) so until we know for sure I would assume "e-locker" means "electronic locker" and not "eaton locker".

I concur e-locker = electronic locker.
Eaton's e-locker is one of the more popular brands out there so I was wondering if anyone knew if they were Eaton's e-lockers or another brand.

 

[Johnboyy]

I'd be inclined to assume they're carraro. Carraro make axles, diffs, lsds and lockers for heavy truck and agricultural equipment so no reason to think they couldn't make small ones too.

 

[mk216v]

I'd be inclined to assume they're carraro. Carraro make axles, diffs, lsds and lockers for heavy truck and agricultural equipment so no reason to think they couldn't make small ones too.

Makes good sense.

 

[nickw]

I concur e-locker = electronic locker.
Eaton's e-locker is one of the more popular brands out there so I was wondering if anyone knew if they were Eaton's e-lockers or another brand.

Special axles I'd guess the e-locker is proprietary to axle manuf....that would be my guess

 

[Stormhammer]

Test drove them today in Dahlonega, GA

They are SUPER freaking smooth off road. The suspension travel is ridiculous but yet somehow they body stays upright/doesnt keep over like a Wrangler does. B58's torque is fantastic too. Visibility is excellent.

 

[jgallo1]

The reviews across the board are extremely positive from the test drive experiences.
This could actually be a really awesome competitor in the vehicle market.

 

[utherjorge]

The reviews across the board are extremely positive from the test drive experiences.
This could actually be a really awesome competitor in the vehicle market.

I think the cost will be a concern, but as all vehicles have hit the stratosphere recently, this may not be as big an issue as I thought before.

The interior concerns I have read in reviews will be a larger worry; my GX has no space up front though aftermarket solutions exist and I've adding them this weekend, for example.

BMW reliability and service options will be huge, and at this point, it's a major failure for nothing to be geolocated. Searching through Bosch itself sends you to a perpetual circle of non-answers, where no service stations can be searched for in the US. A year out...and no one can say where you'd take this rig in to get factory service?

And yes, I have read that BMW will do the service for the drivetrain.

This article said "200 locations by the end of 2022:

Ineos Readies Dealer Network for Grenadier

Ineos is setting up dealer networks around the world ahead of the start of Grenadier sales later this summer in the UK. Here's when we'll see the 4x4 here.

www.autoweek.com

 

[jgallo1]

I think the cost will be a concern, but as all vehicles have hit the stratosphere recently, this may not be as big an issue as I thought before.

The interior concerns I have read in reviews will be a larger worry; my GX has no space up front though aftermarket solutions exist and I've adding them this weekend, for example.

BMW reliability and service options will be huge, and at this point, it's a major failure for nothing to be geolocated. Searching through Bosch itself sends you to a perpetual circle of non-answers, where no service stations can be searched for in the US. A year out...and no one can say where you'd take this rig in to get factory service?

And yes, I have read that BMW will do the service for the drivetrain.

This article said "200 locations by the end of 2022:

Ineos Readies Dealer Network for Grenadier

Ineos is setting up dealer networks around the world ahead of the start of Grenadier sales later this summer in the UK. Here's when we'll see the 4x4 here.

www.autoweek.com

I agree with you about serviceability.
I was on google maps looking for bosch service centers and it seems to be slim pickins'.
If BMW can service the Ineos, that will be very helpful.
Some remote areas will still struggle. My buddy has a sprinter van in Bozeman, they finally opened a dealer in billings. A few yrs back he had to take the van to spokane.

 

[utherjorge]

My buddy has a sprinter van in Bozeman, they finally opened a dealer in billings. A few yrs back he had to take the van to spokane.

I mean....I'm in Pennsylvania and this week need a Lexus dealer for service. I'm a minimum 2 hours away from the closest...and the better one is three hours away. And this is for a fancy Toyota. So...will be interesting to see.

 

[DoKarider16]

This will be interesting to watch this unfold. Like the rig but the whole service chain seems insurmountable unless they have some trick up their sleeve. We have a Mercedes Sprinter and have to drive 100 miles to the nearest Sprinter qualified dealer. When you get there the van service is down the priority chain from the fancy cars. It would be interesting to see how BMW works this if Grenadier comes in. Maybe it will be fine. Love the potential.