Is my Jeep too heavy?

billiebob

Well-known member
All told, with the above, my loaded JK is probably around 6,000 lbs. Too much, in my books.
I'd be interested to hear other's build lists and weights to see where we can shave a few lbs.

First thing, if the mod does not reduce weight, don't do it.
Second, unless you use it daily, leave it at home.

You talk of function, weight reduction is one of the most functional things you can do to increase durability and capability.
Most Smittybilt stuff is heavy and cheap. I've seen several boken Smittybilt tire carriers. I've never seen the stock carrier break.
 

dreadlocks

Well-known member
In very technical terrain, though, a trailer is going to get bashed and bounced around, and that does translate into more wear and tear on the rig — with occasional use a trailer designed for that though that shouldn’t matter.

FTFY, I get the impression here that you've not taken a trailer down anything technical? seems your speculating hard to justify your aversion to em.. border crossings are nothing for a well built trailer, and if your shipping vehicles across oceans, whats a few more thousand dollars in the grand scheme of things? Ive taken lil trailers onto ferries just fine, just costs a lil extra.. switch backs are fine, a trailer will follow your tracks and turning capability.. solid built trailers will survive more trails than a Jeep will, they are rather simple creatures that are easy to maintain.. now im not talking about some wood staple thing from forest river, I'm talking an actual purpose built trail rig.
 

ChasingOurTrunks

Well-known member
So you feel safer doing technical terrain with an overweight rig?
And you are doing technical terrain with an RTT on the roof?
At least you can drop a trailer when you want to play.

No, I don't think I ever said I feel safer in technical terrain in an overweight rig. I think there may be a misunderstanding about what I was trying to say. I prefer -- and feel far safer in general -- to cut down weight until I no longer have an overweight rig. If I am unable to do that, I would (and may) get a different vehicle before I would pull a trailer. Personal preference and travel style means this is the best option for us. My opinion is that this exercise is good for everyone who uses a JK, because the mods and little bits and pieces add up quick to where most JKs are probably a bit overloaded when used for Overlanding-style trips.

Yes, I do technical terrain with an RTT on the roof. Actually to be totally fair, I don't -- my wife is the 'pilot' of our JK on our trips. The RTT is about 150 lbs up top but we take that into account when planing on how to tackle an obstacle (including saying "Not today") however we have never been limited by our tent. The RTT is far less of an ability limiter than a trailer would be in every trail we've tackled, and its utility for our application far outweighs the costs in terms of where the weight sits in the vehicle.

Dropping a trailer when the fun stuff is around is a definite advantage, I completely agree. Like I said above, for most folks with a JK I'd wager that a trailer and JK is the best combo for carrying a lot of stuff safely, but it is not a good solution in our application. We are rarely base-camping where we can drop a trailer and do a run. We rarely backtrack on our trips, and tend to be in a new place every night. The technical trails are often "through roads" for us, not just loops. For a lot of folks the trailer will work, but not for us.
 

ChasingOurTrunks

Well-known member
FTFY, I get the impression here that you've not taken a trailer down anything technical? seems your speculating hard to justify your aversion to em.. border crossings are nothing for a well built trailer, and if your shipping vehicles across oceans, whats a few more thousand dollars in the grand scheme of things? Ive taken lil trailers onto ferries just fine, just costs a lil extra.. switch backs are fine, a trailer will follow your tracks and turning capability.. solid built trailers will survive more trails than a Jeep will, they are rather simple creatures that are easy to maintain.. now im not talking about some wood staple thing from forest river, I'm talking an actual purpose built trail rig.


Not speculating at all actually, I have a fair bit of experience towing a bunch of trailers through a variety of terrain. This is our second JK, and all told we have hundreds of thousands of kilometers overlanding in this platform since 2011, and a few hundred thousand more on other platforms. There is a reason we are only getting to this "lose weight" approach seriously now -- we've tried lots of other ways first, and they didn't work for us. Trailers, tailgate storage, roof racks, backpacker-kit only, and more -- we've tried 'em all, and are refining our process more every year in preparation for our next steps.

I don't have an aversion to trailers at all -- for a lot of applications they work great and I generally recommend them to a lot of folks. The ease and convenience of hooking up a trailer and hitting the road for a weekend of adventure is fantastic for the vast majority of people. And some of the purpose built trailers are amazing -- with a price tag to match for some, but even some of the basic purpose built models are fantastic, robust, and useful.

As far as my reasons for not wanting a trailer, I've only scratched the surface of things we've considered. Switchbacks in my experience can be much harder with a trailer (XOverland has a good episode demonstrating this), as can be choosing a good line or getting around tight corners in heavy trees. Not always, but if we can do without, why have the headache? And shipping vehicles isn't just about the cash, a trailer does limit some versatility. I can fit our JK and the bike in a 20' shipping container, which opens up a world of possibilities for moving the rigs. If we had a trailer, the cost increase is real as we would have to go with a 50+' container, but more importantly is that can limit the types of transit you can do (a 20' can go by rail, ships of various sizes, or various sizes of truck; a 50' is more limited/expensive for all of the options above as only certain ships, certain trains, and certain trucks can take the load). While this is not an issue for 99.999999% of people, it is an anticipated issue for us so its one of several reasons a trailer isn't a good solution for our application. On the part of border crossings, my concern isn't about the robustness of the trailer, it's about the folks holding the stamp collection -- the more registered vehicles you have, the more paperwork you need, and that can cause delays and hassle that we prefer to avoid if we can. And we can, by taking a "lose weight" approach instead of the trailer. In short, our preference is to take a more minimalist approach to this stuff, rather than tack on a trailer.

Anyway, to be abundantly clear on my position as there have been lots of discussion around trailers: Trailers are fantastic for the vast majority of people. Especially with the limitations of the JK platform, a trailer can be a game changer. For us, it's not the best solution. That doesn't mean they don't work for a billion other people, or if we change our style of travel, they won't work for us in the future -- for our current approach, we've investigated trailers top to bottom and tried a few out, and we prefer compact, light, and mobile for our trips.
 

ChasingOurTrunks

Well-known member
Right on, so tell us the plan. Obviously a trailer is out. How are you going to lose 1000K pounds.
Only you know what you don't need.

Well I covered most of the plan in my other earlier posts — we will play with subbing out gear, bumpers, skid plates, etc. on paper for lighter options and see where that gets us. If we can hit our goal that way, then we will pull the trigger and buy stuff. We’re also shopping for new suspension but I want to dial that into the weight of the rig, so cargo/setup/weight for our next trip comes first.

If we can’t hit our goal weight with the “must have” gear, it’s time to go shopping for a new rig. Our Ruby has served us well but with our changing needs it may mean time to put her out to pasture. Like I said, I thought the exercise of demonstrating our gear weights would be helpful for others fighting with the weight question.

loose a million pounds? easy, just get a divorce.

Good one! Reminds me of a Rod Stewart quote - something like “I’m not getting married again. Next time I’m going to find a lady I don’t like and give her a house”!
 

ChasingOurTrunks

Well-known member
what type of fool would go on an overly technical trail with an overloaded rig or a trailer?

I don’t think it’s a matter of foolish or otherwise. We do not always know what the route holds. It’s kind of the point for us. An easy path can get very complex very fast. If a track gets too tough, we can scout ahead a bit and make an informed decision, weighed against our goal, distance from alternate routes, etc. and decide from there.
 

G0to60

Observer
I've never seen the stock carrier break.

Really? The stock carrier on tire carrier on the JK is a known weak point if you got with anything bigger then a 33" tire. The mounting face tends to peal off from the rest of the assembly.
 

MattJ

Adventurer
Great thread that keeps getting better. Next topic for discussion:

https://www.aev-conversions.com/product/high-capacity-coil-springs/

AEV product specifically designed for heavy JKU overlanding rigs. What do you think? I haven't figured out if I could even consider this upgrade since it seems to require their 4.5-inch lift package and mine is only 3.5 inches.

Update: I spoke with AEV. They said it is fine to use the high capacity springs with a 3.5-inch AEV lift system. I would need new bump stops and the geometry correction brackets would need to be adjusted. But it should work fine. But they warned me that the ride would be a lot stiffer when the Jeep is unloaded.
 
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