Is This Van Stealthy Enough to Stealth Camp With?

[fog cutter]

you post reminded me of stories & books i've read on housing through the latter half of the 19th century and the war workers of WWII. even after the War ended, unique housing arrangements were pretty common until housing caught up with demand.

from this thread, i guess there's no latitude for anything but the "accepted" form.

 

[KevinsMap]

Wow lots of haters ...

... About 20% of them are what I call upscale homeless those are the folks with stacks of junk piled on their vans and RV's have one or more dogs and dump trash and sewage in the gutters and more or less end up getting the crack down on sleeping in your vehicle codes created.

And that's all it takes, to create a lot of genuine, first-hand, heartfelt "hate", without any bias or bigotry involved... yet; that comes later, gets political and paints everyone with a broad brush.

You don't approve of this inevitable reaction? Start by speaking out forcefully against the actions of this 20%. I have seen far worse than 20%, a very real threat to friends who live with it, and this led to my original post in this thread. These actions of your 20% are "hate" itself made tangible, a contempt for the people they live among, a focus on stealth and "getting away with it"... instead of being a good visitor in a neighborhood.

They don't just try to "get along", now do they?

 

[KevinsMap]

you post reminded me of stories & books i've read on housing through the latter half of the 19th century and the war workers of WWII. even after the War ended, unique housing arrangements were pretty common until housing caught up with demand.

from this thread, i guess there's no latitude for anything but the "accepted" form.

If you have read Steinbeck (and I'm betting you have) - and for fun let's add A. Stevenson and T. Roosevelt and Twain - then you know very well that those who have had to get by and make do, faced deeply entrenched and openly violent hostility... before, between, and after both world wars. On a scale that would be unthinkable today.

The injustice of this was one of the core reasons Progressivism (originally a Republican political concept) was able to achieve as much as it did.

Your statement is a bit of a sham, I think. You know your history better than that, yes... now don't you ;-) ?

 

[calicamper]

And that's all it takes, to create a lot of genuine, first-hand, heartfelt "hate", without any bias or bigotry involved... yet; that comes later, gets political and paints everyone with a broad brush.

You don't approve of this inevitable reaction? Start by speaking out forcefully against the actions of this 20%. I have seen far worse than 20%, a very real threat to friends who live with it, and this led to my original post in this thread. These actions of your 20% are "hate" itself made tangible, a contempt for the people they live among, a focus on stealth and "getting away with it"... instead of being a good visitor in a neighborhood.

They don't just try to "get along", now do they?

None contributors to a society or those who appear to be non contributors will always catch flack. I dont care if people are sleeping in vans as long as they consider the area their neighborhood also and do their part to keep it up. If they are dumping trash in the park, dumping sewage, leaving their dog waste, some possibly doing criminal acts breaking into homes and cars in the area they are what they are an unwanted element in the area. The working people are contributors and want to avoid trouble and being found out. They keep a zero impact presence.

 

[KevinsMap]

Precisely.

 

[fog cutter]

will you come to our next party? the juggler and balloon twister both have previous engagements.

 

[KevinsMap]

;-)

 

[fog cutter]

two articles from the local rags within the past 2 weeks:

http://patch.com/rhode-island/eastgreenwich/former-eg-town-councilman-charged-dui-disorderly-conduct

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150820/NEWS/150829912/-1/breaking_ajax

i guess the message is clear: conform or be dealt!

 

[KevinsMap]

Conform? To the violent standards of drunks and thugs?

Not the message I get. It's called "living rough" for a reason; it's dangerous! Wow, that's new. But you might note the common element in both these stories; arrests were made. Generally, that is a sign that "the system" disapproves, in this case of thuggery.

Another, bigger issue with your example, from personal experience - I have lived aboard a boat. For years. Now, for those of you far inland, it's called being a liveaboard. In SoCal, it is quite common, not particularly cheap to do even in the very basic student-living way I managed, but... location, location, location. I loved it. This is not like street camping in any way - no one has to move on at 2am, everyone knows their neighbors, by name, often for decades, but just like anyplace it has crime. Yet, it is a true neighborhood, closer than most others I have lived in since. People know who belongs, and they watch out for you... and my "neighborhood" was no fancy millionaires yacht harbour! So the one article is not even remotely relevant to the difficulties our OP has, keeping a low profile. No one has to do that as a liveaboard.

 

[fog cutter]

just be prepared to repel boarders

 

[KevinsMap]

just be prepared to repel boarders

That... is a very - Painful - pun.

"He who would pun would pick a pocket"

 

[Crooked Beat]

In the 90's we had a Westfalia for occasional use.
We sometimes overnighted at the VW dealership in whatever town we were in. Perfect overnight spot.

 

[fog cutter]

.... "He who would pun would pick a pocket"...

and steal the fillings out of your teeth if he thought he could get away with it.

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150822/NEWS/150829746