Jeep plans 2011-2014

jingram

Adventurer
Allpar posted this latest bit yesterday...

"The 2011 Jeep Wrangler (standard and Unlimited) can now be ordered from dealers in the United States (and possibly other nations).

All Wranglers have a revised interior, with a new instrument panel, door trim, and rear cargo area surface. Jeep claims greater ease of use, ergonomics, and storage for the vehicle that has one Best 4×4 of the Decade (Four Wheeler).

New standard features for Sport models include steering wheel audio controls, cruise, and hill descent control.

The Sport S package now contains an AC outlet, automatic headlamps, and optional body-color hardtop.

There seems to be a new Connectivity Group available which includes the Vehicle Information Center, cellphone integration with voice commands, USB port, and, on the Sport package, a chrome/leather wrapped shift knob, for both the automatic and the manual. Automatic temperature control is now optional on Sahara and Rubicon.

The new Garmin 430N nav system is available for order on the Sahara and Rubicon (the 730N system does not appear to be available).

Colors at this time are Black (PX8), Bright Silver Metallic (PS2), Flame Red (PR4), Mango Tango (PVG), and Natural Green (PGN).

New Rubicon options are heated front seats and power mirrors.

All 2011 Jeep Wranglers have four wheel drive and a 3.8 liter V6 engine with a peak 202 horsepower and 237 lb-ft of torque, hill descent control, stability control, six-speed manual transmission, roll mitigation, six-speaker stereo with input jack, full-length floor console, outside temperature display, rear window defroster and wiper, tilt wheel, fog lamps, tow hooks, theft deterrent key, and skid plates for the transfer case, gas tank, and, for automatics, transmission oil pan.

The base model is Sport; the S package adds air conditioning, larger wheels, leather-wrapped steering wheel, and deep tinted glass. Higher models are the Saraha and more-off-road-oriented Rubicon.

The Sport and Sahara models have Command-Trac 4×4, which has both a high and low range that split torque evenly between front and rear axles (for loose surfaces only). The main difference between Command-Trac and the Rock-Trac (on Rubicon) is the low gear: it multiplies torque by 2.72 on regular models and by 4 on Rubicon.

This simple, proven system is fuel efficient in two wheel drive mode, can be shifted to four wheel drive (high) at speeds up to 54 mph, and, in low gear, allows crawl ratios as low as 73:1."
 

haven

Expedition Leader
"a 3.8 liter V6 engine with a peak 202 horsepower and 237 lb-ft of torque"

That's the old minivan motor, not the new V6. Boo!
 

DesertJK

Adventurer
My wife and I will buy the Panda when it gets here. We have rented them in Italy and I think they rock. We are going to move to North-central Wa state in the mountains. My 2008 Rubicon can go anywhere, but lack gas mileage and is a bit fatiguing to drive hard on mountain roads is the snow. I would rather have the little Fiat than a Subaru.
As for the little pick-up car, not bad IMO. If it can carry a 400 pound motorcycle in the back, it will be worth a closer look.
What Fiat may lack in American style off road ability and tradition, they make up for in racing heritage and rally style soft roaders. Not a bad thing to bring to Jeep. From what I have seen, the Italians love wranglers and Grand Cherokees with diesels. In fact, they are the only american SUV's I ever see there. I have no fear that they will mess up the wranglers. The thing that would get me to trade mine in would be a 3.0 diesel and their Selaspeed transmission.
 

Piet

Adventurer
I would love a J8. Leaf springs in the rear, coils up front, very few trinkets or electronics.

More likely is I will buy a used JK... complain about the engine until it dies, and then do a Hemi conversion.
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I might also buy a panda to run around town. Right now I use a Chevy Aveo (AKA Suzuki Swift) as a town runner/ commuter,
a Surburan for the family, and my jeep just for fun.
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Considering that I've considered a Suzuki SX4, I would probably consider a Panda variant.

However, when the dust settles, there will be a Subaru in my driveway alongside my Jeep and a motorcycle in between :wings:
 

NOMADIC_LJ

Explorer
heated front seats, power mirrors, electric windows etc. wow!

so much for utilitarian. I bet the next generation wranglers to replace the JK series will be IFS.
 

jingram

Adventurer
That's the old minivan motor, not the new V6. Boo!

Yeah... boo is right, although no big surprise. There is a guy on JK Forums who I guess has a real in with Chrysler who has been saying for months that there would be no change to pentastar this year. At earliest it would be a mid 2011 model year change, but most likely we would not see it until the 2012 models hit.
 

jingram

Adventurer
heated front seats, power mirrors, electric windows etc. wow!

so much for utilitarian. I bet the next generation wranglers to replace the JK series will be IFS.

Yeah, it's funny how the "hardcore" Rubicon keeps getting softer and softer. After all, what is the point of that 4:1 transfer case if you can't scale those curbs at the mall while keep your *** warm and adjusting your mirrors to reapply your lipstick.

Don' get me wrong, I am all for certain aspects of modern engineering and materials, and appreciate being comfortable as much as the next guy, but this stuff shouldn't be foisted on us. Let us order ala carte... that way I can spec out a Rubicon with manual locks, mirrors, windows, etc and keep the "luxury" items to a minimum.
 

Amauri

Explorer
Yeah, it's funny how the "hardcore" Rubicon keeps getting softer and softer. After all, what is the point of that 4:1 transfer case if you can't scale those curbs at the mall while keep your *** warm and adjusting your mirrors to reapply your lipstick.

Don' get me wrong, I am all for certain aspects of modern engineering and materials, and appreciate being comfortable as much as the next guy, but this stuff shouldn't be foisted on us. Let us order ala carte... that way I can spec out a Rubicon with manual locks, mirrors, windows, etc and keep the "luxury" items to a minimum.

As the owner of a very cushy Grand Cherokee I can tell you those are two of my favorite features in my Jeep. The warm seats are great in cold temperatures, and being able to move your mirrors comes in handy off road.
 

Ford Prefect

Expedition Leader
All Wranglers have a revised interior, with a new instrument panel, door trim, and rear cargo area surface. Jeep claims greater ease of use, ergonomics, and storage for the vehicle that has one Best 4×4 of the Decade (Four Wheeler).

I hope that means that they MOVED the freaking roll bar. What idiot thought that was a good location!?

For anyone NOT over 6' tall, if you push the seat back all the way, and have the back of the seat sitting as upright (and uncomfortable as possible) a person who is 6'2" on average, will sit back in the seat and hit his/her head on the roll bar. How stupid can you get, get into a crash with any sort of whip-lash and you are going to crack your skull open!

grrr
 

Rallyroo

Expedition Leader
Top Gear did a comparison between the Fiata Panda and a Land Rover Discovery (or Range Rover?) and the Fiat performed better offroad.

Yeah saw that. I think its one of the last episodes currently available on Netflix instant streaming for top gear if anyone wants to catch it.

I saw that episode of Top Gear too. It was Panda vs Range Rover racing from the bottom of a mine pit to the top.
 

jingram

Adventurer
As the owner of a very cushy Grand Cherokee I can tell you those are two of my favorite features in my Jeep. The warm seats are great in cold temperatures, and being able to move your mirrors comes in handy off road.

Like I said, let us order à la carte... that way you can enjoy your heated seats and power mirrors and I can enjoy rolling down my windows manually and freezing my ******** off.

Having dealt with faulty regulators on a toyota LC, a Nissan Xterra, and Grand Cherokee through the years, I like to avoid power windows if I can help it, which is getting harder and harder to do.

It would be one thing if Jeep didn't offer non power across the production line to simplify building them and to keep inventory low, but they DO offer non power in the base models, so why not give me that option if I want to order from the factory?
 

Rallyroo

Expedition Leader
Keep in mind guys, those other models you hate keep the cash flowing for Jeep to focus on the real Jeeps.

I don't see what the big deal is as long as they keep making the more utilitarian vehicles. You don't have to buy the foo-foo crap.

The problem is, many dealers choose to only stock the fully optioned out models. The dealers feel that it would increase their profit.

If dealers where smart, they'd carry more base models and make profit by selling more in volume.
 

jingram

Adventurer
Totally true... dealers around me continually only stock loaded models and you have to special order a base model. This naturally impacts demand models that chrysler is using and potentially skews the demand curve towards higher priced, more fully optioned vehicles when in fact the market might be demanding otherwise.
 

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