Jeep plans 2011-2014

[roadkill]

I kinda wish I had heated leather seats in my LJ Rubi. I don't really view these two items as being over the top and not utlitarian, they do serve a purpose afterall. heated seats on a cool/cold morning with the top off would be a welcome addition IMO. the leather is kinda luxury but I like the comfort of them and the ability to clean up easy. nothings worse than a fabric seatcover that wicks up moisture and traps dirt/dust in the fibers. vinyl would serve the same purpose but leather is much classier IMO.

 

[jeffy]

I saw that episode of Top Gear too. It was Panda vs Range Rover racing from the bottom of a mine pit to the top.

That was actually an episode of Fifth Gear. I remember it because Tom Ford was the reviewer. Although he does work for Top Gear Magazine but is not apart of the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_cNLcBkXlg

 

[Root Moose]

I was kind of annoyed that Tom won't be presenting on Fifth Gear any more. I liked Tom. Oh well, there's always his twitter feed.

 

[alosix]

I kinda wish I had heated leather seats in my LJ Rubi. I don't really view these two items as being over the top and not utlitarian, they do serve a purpose afterall. heated seats on a cool/cold morning with the top off would be a welcome addition IMO. the leather is kinda luxury but I like the comfort of them and the ability to clean up easy. nothings worse than a fabric seatcover that wicks up moisture and traps dirt/dust in the fibers. vinyl would serve the same purpose but leather is much classier IMO.

I put a set of bestop heated replacement seats in my TJ after the original ones wore out. They aren't leather.. but man they have been a great mod.

Probably one of the reason my M725 has power heated leather seats out of a ZJ as well. I wasn't planning on it, but I got the pair for $40

Jason

 

[Viggen]

So...... After all of that, they still refuse to give the people the things they really want. real power and less fluff.

Thats probably because thats not what the people want? Honestly, most people who buy Jeeps, especially the Wrangler, will never take them offroad and will cruise them around town mostly with the top down. They couldnt care less about their minivan V6 and they sure as hell enjoy the fluff.

A diesel would be nice but judging by how well they didnt sell I doubt that they really want to go through all that again. Add in the ever stringent emissions standards and youre more likely to see a V8 than anything else.

 

[Root Moose]

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Dealers put fully loaded vehicles on the lot because that is what sells.

Making a check box system for every single option makes a vehicle more expensive to produce.

People want equipment in their vehicles. People who buy new vehicles don't care whether or not electric window lifts may have issues in 5-10 years. They won't own the vehicle any more. In the mean time it is a great thing to have.

The reality is that most people that whine and complain in these threads about vehicles the manufacturers should be building typically would never buy the new vehicle if it was available anyway. In fact, a lot of them probably have never bought a new vehicle ever.

They are going to wait till it hits the used market. Why the hell should a vehicle manufacturer cater to these people? There is no money in that.

People complain that Jeep should make a diesel truck to compete with a TLC 70 series. Guess what? Call AEV and you can buy that vehicle (diesel J8). Oh, but it cost too much at ~$50k. Gee, how much do you think a diesel 70 series would cost if it was offered in North America? I'm sure if there was a market for it there would be more than of these trucks around.

Sorry, the unrealistic blather in these types of threads is tiresome.

 

[jingram]

Going to call you out on that one Chris. Tell me how having the ability to order the options you want on the vehicle is any more expensive... certainly odd considering that is EXACTLY what vehicle manufacturers do now. Been to Jeep's site lately? You will see a number of options available to order for your new Sport, be it gears or convenience packages, etc.

Like I stated before, if a vehicle manufacturer was streamlining production and literally offering no options with the exception of interior colors/wheels/etc. as variations in trim packages, then I will gladly cede the point that it would be more expensive to offer choice. However, seeing that Jeep and a number of manufacturers continue to produce a number of trim levels with both manual and power options for things like windows, door locks, etc. then it really doesn't cost much of anything. Adding a few additional check boxes to a computerized ordering system is not exactly a costly proposition.

Unlike you, I think threads like these matter and actually can provide input. If this market segment had no input and no value, you wouldn't see things like the mopar overland JK or these newer "overland" packages from Jeep, regardless of the blingy 20" rims, lol. Sure, the vast majority of american's could care less what v6 is under the hood, but don't discount the popularity of forums like these. You seem to take the argument that nobody gets only and does research about this stuff, but EVERYBODY I know, from my 70 year old uncle to my brother's 16 year old kid are online doing research about what vehicles they are interested in and inevitably they end up on forums like these.


Sorry to piss on your parade, but, riddle me this... if you really are tired of the useless blather in these "threads" why bother taking the time to post or participate?

 

[Root Moose]

if you really are tired of the useless blather in these "threads" why bother taking the time to post or participate?

Funny you should ask that, it's a question that comes to mind a lot lately. I don't know the answer to it.

 

[getlost4x4]

You did notice that was in Pesos right?

$191900 mex = $15099 US dollars

Yeah, and for $191,900 I'd expect something better than this :

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[haven]

"it's a question that comes to mind a lot lately. I don't know the answer"

The answer is, "It hurts so good!" :elkgrin:

Chrysler is in business to sell cars. Jeep dealers stay alive by moving sheet metal. Having a range of less expensive vehicles to offer customers pays the rent at the Jeep dealer. That's where the Compass comes in, and why Chrysler has decided to build a new Compass in the next couple of years.

 

[Pskhaat]

..Jeep should make a diesel truck to compete with a TLC 70 series...70 series would cost if it was offered in North America? I'm sure if there was a market for it there would be more than of these trucks around.

I know this is a Jeep thread but comparing to a 70 series in the States is apples & oranges. Toyota's (lack of) options in the US are near-religious debates here and elsewhere. Pragmatically unless there are sales figures to prove one way or the other it is all speculation from both camps, same with the Jeep options.

I don't personally believe in Keynes' theories, but auto/dealers follow the Say's Law theory of the product creates its own demand and have banked on that for years. Problem is they don't agree with Keynes' either in that demand will generate a supply and thus both Jeep and Toyota enthusiasts are stuck with what someone (auto exec) living an expensive lifestyle well above ours thinks we want to buy.

 

[alosix]

You did notice that was in Pesos right?

$191900 mex = $15099 US dollars

Yeah, it was a really really poor attempt @ humor :snorkel:

 

[GroupSe7en]

We wanted to buy a Jeep - we really did. Went to the dealer and test drove an unlimited. It sort of looked like a jeep from the outside. But it was totally soulless. The whole experience of going to the dealer was painful. The sales people could tell you how many cup holders were in the minivan, but they didn't have a clue as to what diff was in the Jeep - or anything else about it, for that matter. The sales literature was all rugged pictures of Jeeps airlifted to the tops of mountains in the middle of Mars, but the real message was that you could look cool doing the grocery shopping with the optional elastic 'cargo' net. It was a laundry list of features that were meant to make the Jeep look like value for money when you compared it to something else. "Oh look dear, the Jeep has 6 cup holders and the Toyota only has 4."

The bottom line for us was that the gas mileage sucked; the interior was clautrophobic (who designed that stupid roll bar?); it drove like a 6 ton minivan; and it cost a fortune. Plus, you had to spend an additional fortune building it into something you'd feel comfortable overlanding in.

It's the "lowest common denominator" mentality the MBAs use to worship the bottom line. Chrysler deserves to go belly up. They have taken a noble mark and turned it into 4x4 pablum.

No thanks. Saving up for a Landy 110 Defender Tdi.

Sorry if this offends anyone. I just feel very disappointed and a bit betrayed that part of my cultural heritage has been emasculated and served up fast food style.

 

[TOTJ]

What? are you nuts?
What other vehicle can you purchase today legaly and have a 7/70warrenty
that has frt and rear dana44'S with push button lockers frt and rear.
a 4:1 Transfercase that is manualy shifted a swaybar that disconnects
at the push of a button.
I have had my 03 Rubicon for 7 years. I have never had a mechanical issue and its not for the of rough trails. The week I pourchased it I went on the Rubicon and it was driven 3 years stock with only a roll cage and a winch that was added.
I think Crysler did a great job considering what they had to get by the lawyers. When it comes to milage my 14mpg is alot better then my sons
Discovery.
I dont blame you for your comments. Most people who have never owned a
bob tail jeep normaly hates them.
but compaired to my last 7 jeeps this is by far the best I have ever owned
both in reliabilty and capability

We wanted to buy a Jeep - we really did. Went to the dealer and test drove an unlimited. It sort of looked like a jeep from the outside. But it was totally soulless. The whole experience of going to the dealer was painful. The sales people could tell you how many cup holders were in the minivan, but they didn't have a clue as to what diff was in the Jeep - or anything else about it, for that matter. The sales literature was all rugged pictures of Jeeps airlifted to the tops of mountains in the middle of Mars, but the real message was that you could look cool doing the grocery shopping with the optional elastic 'cargo' net. It was a laundry list of features that were meant to make the Jeep look like value for money when you compared it to something else. "Oh look dear, the Jeep has 6 cup holders and the Toyota only has 4."

The bottom line for us was that the gas mileage sucked; the interior was clautrophobic (who designed that stupid roll bar?); it drove like a 6 ton minivan; and it cost a fortune. Plus, you had to spend an additional fortune building it into something you'd feel comfortable overlanding in.

It's the "lowest common denominator" mentality the MBAs use to worship the bottom line. Chrysler deserves to go belly up. They have taken a noble mark and turned it into 4x4 pablum.

No thanks. Saving up for a Landy 110 Defender Tdi.

Sorry if this offends anyone. I just feel very disappointed and a bit betrayed that part of my cultural heritage has been emasculated and served up fast food style.

 

[Mudpro]

We wanted to buy a Jeep - we really did....

Sorry, but that dog don't hunt. After reading your full comments you sound like one of my many Land Rover snob friends. I say that with all due respect and with no malice. But its true. There are some people that no matter the reality, they just have a fantasy stuck in their head and nothing else will do -- such is the case with your 110 Defender comment.

They are not going to import the Defender to the NA market. You won't be able to get a diesel. And even if you did, you would pay near twice the price of a fully loaded JK Rubicon Unlimited, which can take you just about anywhere you want to go. I've wheeled with and in Land Rovers of all sorts. They are really cool icons, but they aren't all they are cracked up to be, certainly no better than a Rubicon Wrangler.

I've owned a CJ, a YJ, I currently own a built (Nth Degree) TJ Unlimited Rubicon, and will soon be purchasing a JK Unlimited of one incarnation or another. With the exception of a few things on the YJ, IMHO, Jeep has improved this utility icon with every step of its evolution.

If you think you would have to "spend a fortune building one up to go overlanding" then you might want to consider driving lessons.