LC vs Trooper vs Montero

greentruck

Adventurer
I have no experience with Mitsubishi, so can't help there.

Currently have an 80, my second LandCruiser. The first was a 1976 FJ55, so I'm impressed by the improvements between 76 and 97 that Toyota made in durability.

I drove Isuzus in between LCs, an 84 Trooper and a 93 Rodeo, both purchased new and babied by me, though wheeled pretty hard in both cases. The 93 Rodeo was sold at 147000 miles when the 97 80 was purchased last year, which had 143000 miles on it at purchase.

Getting in the used LandCruiser and driving was like driving a new vehicle compared to my long in tooth Rodeo. The LC was solid, ran well and had relatively few minor problems, easily fixable and made the investment feel good, because you could tell it was broke in but nowhere close to broken. The way it feels now, this 80 has at least as many miles left in it as it's already run.

The Rodeo was kept up to date. Very reliable, with maybe 3 days down in 16 years of ownership. I know it's not a Trooper, at least the more modern ones you indicate interest in. But the Rodeo is a substantially similar vehicle in a lot of ways to the Trooper. I'd assume one of the last years of Troopers would be as reliable as my 93 Rodeo, but also just as close to worn out -- and nothing like the fantastic build quality of the Toyota. I used to work in a heavy truck garage (doing PM scheduling and work order processing) and based on my experience with equipment life cycles, I tried to avoid putting in any more cash into the Rodeo for a while before the 80 was purchased. The Rodeo might've run another 500 miles or 50000 miles, but it wasn't worth significant further investment (to me) when I sold it.

You can easily build and equip a 95+ 80 series for less than $20000. I'll bet you could find either the Isuzu or the Mitsu for less. Shop around, the market is a little stronger than it was a year ago, but for the money you can usually find a nice 80 if you look systematically and don't mind traveling to pick a nice one up.

I'd rather have the LC for a trip like you're planning or just putting any cash into period. Just my personal experience. We paid 7500 for our 80, a very reasonable price in my book.
 

dylanblada

Observer
jh504 - I will definitely investigate those options. I have done a bit of looking around at those ideas, but I haven't yet contacted anyone so as to not waste their time. I'm sure they get those call everyday. I'll check that out closer to purchase time. And I have seen the custom 70 series at Proffitt's Cruisers. Very cool work.

greentruck - thanks. Great insight into the Toyota vs Isuzu. The 80 is probably my lead candidate (or maybe the 100) but you got a good 80 for $7500 (good price) but I can probably get a good Trooper for about $5000. Not a huge difference but something to think about. I have heard the idea of basically paying for the Toyota brand name... but Toyota didn't get its rep for no reason I suppose.

I wonder if one or the other is easier to do a diesel swap that the other. I probably wouldn't do it, but easier means less labor hours and less money. Easier to bolt up to the drivetrain easier to splice into the CPU. I realize this may be getting a bit beyond the scope of this forum, but worth consideration, from my perspective.

I've also entertained the idea of using something like a Pinzgauer 710k (the hardtop). My travel partner is not a big car guy (I am), and might be a bit strange, but he loved the idea, especially the turret opening in the Pinz hardtop. I think those would be cool and relatively unique, but probably uncomfortable for longer trips. I would LOVE to put a VW diesel in that and get 25MPG with an auto transmission. THAT would be a keeper.

Thanks again guys.
 
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My pick would be a land cruiser with a mild small block chevy... plenty of low end grunt, and about the same (if not better MPG as stock).Plus I would bet that small block parts can be had all over.
 
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Deleted member 9101

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jh504 - I will definitely investigate those options. I have done a bit of looking around at those ideas, but I haven't yet contacted anyone so as to not waste their time. I'm sure they get those call everyday. I'll check that out closer to purchase time. And I have seen the custom 70 series at Proffitt's Cruisers. Very cool work.

greentruck - thanks. Great insight into the Toyota vs Isuzu. The 80 is probably my lead candidate (or maybe the 100) but you got a good 80 for $7500 (good price) but I can probably get a good Trooper for about $5000. Not a huge difference but something to think about. I have heard the idea of basically paying for the Toyota brand name... but Toyota didn't get its rep for no reason I suppose.

I wonder if one or the other is easier to do a diesel swap that the other. I probably wouldn't do it, but easier means less labor hours and less money. Easier to bolt up to the drivetrain easier to splice into the CPU. I realize this may be getting a bit beyond the scope of this forum, but worth consideration, from my perspective.

I've also entertained the idea of using something like a Pinzgauer 710k (the hardtop). My travel partner is not a big car guy (I am), and might be a bit strange, but he loved the idea, especially the turret opening in the Pinz hardtop. I think those would be cool and relatively unique, but probably uncomfortable for longer trips. I would LOVE to put a VW diesel in that and get 25MPG with an auto transmission. THAT would be a keeper.

Thanks again guys.

Well I am currently "deployed" to Qatar..and you can't throw a rock with out hitting some kind of Land Cruiser... evidently sand + insane heat + no maintenance can't kill them. They are probably 4 to 1 on every other SUV over here. Once you get away from the more populated areas..all you see is LC's and Toyota pick ups.
 

dylanblada

Observer
An SBC would be an option and they can get some decent MPG. Plus the conversion would be much less expensive. If I went the conversion route, it would be nice to find something with a blown engine so the price would be lower to start with.

I've heard about LCs in the Middle East being everywhere. That defiantly counts for something for them to have that kind of reputation. Just wish I could get a somewhat cared for model over here. I think Nissan Patrols are somewhat popular over there and in Australia too. No real similar model here (except the new Infiniti QX56 - a little out of my price range). Jnich77, thanks and stay safe out there.
 

dylanblada

Observer
One other idea besides the Pinzgauer would be a Land Rover Defender 110. There very early models are coming in now and can be had for less than $20k in decent condition. I know Discoverys are notoriously unreliable, but how about the Defenders? It would have to have a diesel for the ~25MPG they supposedly can get. Plus it would also be cool to keep and use. I'd also be worried about the comfort.

The thing I keep coming back to is: are any of these any better than an 80 (for $7500) or a 100 (for $10k), especially considering price. I would like the Pinz if we could make it more comfortable, and put a diesel and an auto in it. There are newer models that will be importable in a few years, but they will probably be quite a bit more expensive.
 

Tacoma4life

New member
Out of the 3 you mentioned in your original post, the FZJ80 is hands down the winner.

I owned a Montero SR, besides the inherent throttle body issues Mitsubishi chose to never recall, it was OK in terms of reliability. It did burn some oil though. Now whenever I see one out and about, I watch the exhaust when they leave from a light. It turns out all almost all of them puff out a little blue smoke. Take that as you will...

I have also owned a Rodeo (though never a Trooper) and can say that was one of the worst vehicles I have ever owned, and it only had ~80,000 miles. In the short time I owned it, the tranny went out (while cruising on the interstate), the transfer case locked up (while reversing out of my driveway), and the heads required a rebuild. I've never looked at another...

Not only have I never been stranded by any Toyota I have ever owned, I've never had any problem with them EVER. As a result I am now a huge Toyota Fan.

Some of the previous vehicles owned include-

1995 and 1994 LR Discovery I
1987 Nissan Pathfinder
1995 Isuzu Rodeo
1987 Suzuki Samurai
1999 Discovery II
1995 Montero SR
1999 Tacoma reg cab 3rz
2000 Tacoma ext cab 5vz
2002 Tacoma double cab 3rz
1997 4-Runner 5vz
 

jh504

Explorer
:iagree: 97 FZJ 80 that has been well cared for with decent miles would probably be the all around best thing you could go with. A 100 series would also be very comfortable.
 

dylanblada

Observer
Two pretty good testimonies right there. Well like I said Toyotas were always my yardstick. I think a 100 might be better for long term ownership, but the 80 would have more possibilities. Thanks guys.

I'd still like to see a LC vs. Trooper comparison for completeness sake...
 

dylanblada

Observer
Just out of curiosity, how did your Discos treat you Tacoma4life (I could have guessed you were a Toyota fan haha)?

And one other idea: what do we think about the CRD Grand Cherokees? It seems they can get 20+ MPG and they are starting to break the $20k mark now, so in a few yeas they should be a viable option...
 
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Tacoma4life

New member
Just out of curiosity, how did your Discos treat you Tacoma4life (I could have guessed you were a Toyota fan haha)?

And one other idea: what do we think about the CRD Grand Cherokees? It seems they can get 20+ MPG and they are starting to break the $20k mark now, so in a few yeas they should be a viable option...

For the record I really like Discovery's and would love to own another someday when I'm financially more stable.

I didn't keep the Discovery I's too long, but in the short time I had them the 1994 had the Cats go out and the 1995 had injector problems that would occasionally not let the engine start. Ownership was from 1999 - 2001.

The Disco II was reliable but suffered poor mileage and the 'three amigos' brake light trio. I never saw better than 14.5 with a low 10-11 MPG. My wife drove that from 2003-2005.

The only reason I have never owned an 80 series is because they are becoming harder and harder to find with no rust and decent miles. I do occasionally see them but never when I have cash. Someday... The 100's are cool as well, I just like the solid front axle.
 

dylanblada

Observer
Thanks and very interesting... Sounds like some of the other Disco owners I've seen who always love their rigs, but recognized their flaws (mainly some reliability issues and low MPG). They are cool when built up and are supposedly very capable. But this makes them pretty cheap nowadays.
And if bad MPG is going to be an issue, then why not an 80? (for me anyway).

BUT, I may entertain the possibility of getting something like this: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48606

And that would be almost perfect...
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Owning a mitsu montero i'd rcommend one of course out of habit, but thinking a bit more about your goal Of traveling s. America, I believe diesel will be far more available than gas. That said I'd nix any choice that's not one.

Fwiw a mildy (mild in terms of $$$) built 94-99 montero with a rear locker would do fine and have very few disadvantages, be just as reliable, and would likely be the least expensive option. As an example, my 96sr was under $2k ($1500 registered) from a private party. 35" tires, 2" body lift, and armor (bumpers & rock skids) cost an additional $2500. Skid plates can be reinforced inexpensively (300-400?) and will hold up to hard core rock crawling trails. If you go gonzo and rebuild the engine, youre looking at 2500-3000.

As for the "intake" issue, if youre really worried, just remove the butterfly valves, weld/seal up the holes and go ahead and install it. Easy peasy IMHO.

The biggest prob IMHO is this will be a gasoline engine versus a diesel one.
 

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