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Cards81fan

Osage Hilltopper
what's a 308?

I assume 3.08 gear ratio? Which seems some like for highway towing in a diesel (low RPMs, better mileage).

I don't know enough about the Hummer to know if that is moving higher or lower, as I am not aware how tall they come stock.
 

SChandler

Adventurer
Yeah, but it's an H1 so it has portal boxes that multiply the axle ratio. I believe the stock H1 axle ratio is 2.73, but at the wheels, it's 4.10 because it gets multiplied by the portal ratio of 1.5 (I think the portal ratio is 1.5:1, I could be wrong about that). The 3.08 axle ratio gets turned into 4.62 at the wheels, which is a much better ratio for 42 inch tires, even with a diesel.
 

WATERJETGUY

New member
Yes 308 actually multiply at the wheel and I believe final drive is actually double ( I could be wrong ) I'll check . Truck comes stock with 37's . She has 4" open exhaust and actually for a big rig gets over 13 per gallon but I don't drive her over 60 . God help anything that gets in my way at that speed though . She is by far not graceful but tough as nails no articulation at all lol but ground clearance is huge .
 

shovelbill

Observer
oh ok....i was thinking *scratches head* 3.08 gear ratio? i would figure 4.88 so i just learned about portal boxes......cool. i seem to remember about them, but i forgot. :Wow1: thanks

back to the picture show.
 

SChandler

Adventurer
Hummer portal boxes are pretty close to 2:1

With some Google time, I came up with 1.92:1 for the Hummer portals. So, the 3.08 axle x 1.92 portal gives a final drive at the wheels of 5.91 vs the original 2.73 x 1.92 = 5.24. Sounds like a lot of gear, but for a 6.2 or 6.5l GM diesel pushing 8k and 42" tires, sounds about right (the GM diesels like more rpm than a Cummins does).
 

WATERJETGUY

New member
i have a crazy set of pics of the build thread up to this point . but i will def get you guys a build thread on the motor ... may start as soon as next month . the trailer build starts nex week just because i need to empty my garage of all the parts i have aquired to this point .

p.s. trailer and rig are at my shop in rochelle park n.j. alot if anyone want to come down after work for a few cold 1's and shoot the breeze let me know . i can hold alot of trucks in my 2 parking lots ..

Definitely need a build thread!! Would love to see details on that.
 

ExpoMike

Well-known member
(the GM diesels like more rpm than a Cummins does).

Actually that's not true. Ideally they don't want to be spun more than about 2800 RPM's. They have a governed limit at 3600 but you will find very few that survive repeated hits anywhere near that mark. Big problem is cracking main webs and cranks. If you can gear things up to keep them in the sweet spot of 2200-2400, they will run just about forever but they don't like high RPM.

Out of the box, Cummins appears to be a lower RPM limit but that limit was more place for warranty purposes. These can run up to 4100 if the limiter is removed but after that they can become ticking time bombs. They are way stronger blocks that will run all day long at 3500 RPM, if you have things setup to allow it.

This is based on the research I have done, with currently owning both.
 

Cards81fan

Osage Hilltopper
The portals explains a lot, thanks guys! I know what they are and how they work, but had no idea that the H1 had them. See why I included my disclaimer on being H1 ignorant?

:elkgrin:
 

SChandler

Adventurer
Actually that's not true. Ideally they don't want to be spun more than about 2800 RPM's. They have a governed limit at 3600 but you will find very few that survive repeated hits anywhere near that mark. Big problem is cracking main webs and cranks. If you can gear things up to keep them in the sweet spot of 2200-2400, they will run just about forever but they don't like high RPM.

Out of the box, Cummins appears to be a lower RPM limit but that limit was more place for warranty purposes. These can run up to 4100 if the limiter is removed but after that they can become ticking time bombs. They are way stronger blocks that will run all day long at 3500 RPM, if you have things setup to allow it.

This is based on the research I have done, with currently owning both.

I suppose I didn't fully explain myself (a common occurrence:sombrero:). I wasn't talking about ultimate RPM capability, I was referring to the "sweet spot" where the motors are happiest/perform the best when driving and/or towing. A Cummins motor is happiest cruising at around 1800 to 2000 rpm motor. As you stated, the GM diesel is happiest in the 2200 to 2400 rpm range. Towing, the motors like to be around the upper end of the respective rpm ranges (based on my experience with a 90, 92, and 99 Cummins, and a 93 Chevy 6.5). Yes, the 24v Cummins motor can go to 4100 with different electronics, but more than 3000 rpm on a consistent basis is hard on the factory valve springs (at least the 12v motors, which had lower pressure valve springs). My comments on the relative preference of the GM motor (and Ford diesels, too) is based on the sweet spot for cruising and towing with these motors. The V-8 diesels "like" about 400 or so more rpm than the Cummins does (for a given road speed).

The other thought I had on this stems from when I checked into what it would take to re-power my dad's 93 K2500 from the 6.5 to a Cummins 12v, while retaining the original 4L80E and NP241 transfer case. What I found was we would have had to rebuild the transmission to move the transmission shift points and converter stall speed down by 400 to 600 rpm to make the 4L80 work with the Cummins motor. I talked with a couple of different people who had done the conversions and they all told me that the 4L80 wasn't ideal behind a Cummins without reworking it to handle the lesser rpm that the Cummins worked at vs. the 6.5. Hopefully, my reasoning for my previous comment makes more sense now.
 

SChandler

Adventurer
Since I've derailed this thread into a diesel engine discussion, I figure I should post a picture and get it headed back into a picture thread :elkgrin::
TillamookForest-2008-12-06012.jpg


This photo was taken in the Tillamook State Forest in Oregon. I've since replaced the Toyo M55's with Toyo MT's, pulled the hub covers from the rear rims and picked up a cab high aluminum canopy for it. Otherwise, the truck looks about the same as in this picture.
 

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