Locker or Limited Slip or Open on expedition truck?

What kind of rear diff should an expedition truck have?


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Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Just want to get some opinions here. My Tacoma is not a TRD :( so my rear diff is open.

Over on the TTORA boards, of course, they're all about locked diffs, but then again, they're also about 35" tires, 6" lift kits and rock crawling on 10/10 trails, too, none of which describes me or my rig.

My last true 4x4 was a Mitsubishi Montero, and it had the factory LSD in the rear axle, which helped me out at Hole-in-the-rock in 1999. I actually only made it as far as the base of Gray Mesa, at that point with my 235/75 tires, no lift and a 5-speed tranny I just couldn't make it up across all the twisty rock so I parked at the base of the mesa and rode with someone else all the way up.

Anyway, over on TTORA I posted the question of whether I should get a LSD or a locker, and the opinions were pretty much universally that (1) LSD was worthless when compared to a locker off road, (2) LSD was actually dangerous because it could kick in unpredictibly on-road causing my rear end to spin around, (3) the inexpensive "lunchbox" or automatic lockers were dangerous in a pickup for the same reason, and finally that (4) the only real solution was an air locker at a cost of $1000+.

Of course, as I said above, the kind of 4-wheeling they do isn't really similar to what I do (for me 4wd is simply a means of getting to someplace I couldn't otherwise get to) so I thought I'd ask for the group's experience here.

As regards point #2 above, I can tell you this: My last truck was a 1999 Ford Ranger, 4x2. Because it was 2wd I had a LSD installed in the back for additional traction. It generally worked great, but there was one time when I was driving down a snowpacked street in Laramie, and without warning the whole truck slid and spun to the left. It was a miracle I didn't hit anybody because this was a main street (Grand Avenue, right in front of the University.) At first I dismissed it as some kind of freak accident caused by hitting some glare ice but after reading what people on TTORA said, I wonder. I actually had something similar happen to me in the Montero in 1998, again when driving on a snowpacked street in 2wd, so I wonder if it was the LSD that caused it both times?

When I pointed out on the TTORA boards that I had a LSD in my Montero, they replied by saying that an SUV is less likely to spin because its weight is more evenly distributed than the weight of an unloaded pickup, which is heavy in the front and light in the back.

So, anyway, what are the thoughts on LSD/Locker/Open on an expedition-type truck? If I get a locker should I make sure it's an air-locker or an e-locker? For that matter, does anybody make an aftermarket e-locker for the Taco, or would I have to try and cannibalize a TRD? It really does sound like it might actually be safer to run open diffs on the highway and just have a switchable locker for the hard stuff, but I'd be interested in knowing people's experience.
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
If you're gonna actually spend the $, I'd go for locked. I prefer a totally open diff in snow and ice and even on most moderate trails. A locker will give you both worlds. But, torsen-style diffs work pretty darned good in slop|snow proven by many major manufacturers.
 

overlander

Expedition Leader
I wish I could win money or a prize for this.....There is no substitute for an air or selectable locker. It is the best and first line of defense against being stuck. with a locker, you are unlikely to ever need another piece of recovery equipment (better have it anyway though...).

The only other thing you need with a locker is common sense. Don't let the locker tempt you into getting even more remote, or trying even harder to damage your vehicle. For expedition travel, play it safe and drive conservatively.
 

Tucson T4R

Expedition Leader
I agree with the Air Locker vote. I had the ARB Airlocker on my last rig and really liked it. Run totaly open 90% of the time but when needed hit the button and walk right through or over your obsticle of choice and then unlock on the other side. Perfect combo. :wings:
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
Find a TRD (E-Locker) rear axle from a 97'-04' Taco... complete!

You can find them from $450-750 range pretty regularly, and its 100% bolt in, zero issues there. A new set of u-bolts and bleed the brakes and your done! Make sure it has the same R&P ratio ;)

I'm a big fan of the ARB's, run them in both of my Cruisers, but the Toy E-locker is a great unit, especially when you can get them on the cheap, already installed :cool:
 
How many of you that dump on auto lockers have actually driven one? I've used Detroits in the rear of a F350 crewcab, a BJ40 short wheelbase Landcruiser, and a BJ60 wagon. And I have Lockrights at both ends of my M37. Wouldn't advise putting one in the front without power steering. And I've driven all in icy Anchorage. The one cardinal rule when driving with an autolocker on ice:
Put it in 4WD!! That completely eliminates the throttle oversteer characteristic on slippery surfaces.
Don't get it wrong, I like selectable lockers - my Unimog has them and my Landcruisers do in the front. But let's see...right now neither compressor works because of little electrical glitches. Detroit Lockers are totally 100% reliable and trouble-free. If I have the choice in a vehicle I'd put an autolocker (preferably Detroit Soflocker) in the rear and a selectable in front.

Charlie
 

AZTrooper

Adventurer
I have a '99 trooper with factory LSD. Since nobody makes a locker for my diff, I'm stuck with LSD. As far as I'm concerned, LSD works perfect for me. Running 2.5-3 rated trails, I have no problems whatsoever. A 2003 land rover had open diffs and we had to constantly stop to help him get through some rough areas. I have LSD in both front and rear, never had any trouble losing traction over boulders, or anything else for that matter. I'll stick with LSD. IMO, lockers are for hardcore rock crawling and extreme 4 wheelin'.
 

marc olivares

Adventurer
my LR discovery has a detroit rear, trutrac front.

zero issues in the snow, rain or icy roads... just thought i'd throw that out there to dispel that myth. :wavey:
 

Taz

Adventurer
I would go with either a limited slip or a detriot type locker in the rear, then if you want the front locked go with a selectable. Unless you have a lot of money then selectables are nice to have front and rear but not really needed.
 

Jacket

2008 Expedition Trophy Champion
I'd agree on selectable locker - either E-locker or ARB/air. If you already had LSD it's certainly useful, but given the choice going from open to something else - selectable locker is king!

I also happen to know someone in Colorado that is selling a brand new 95-04 Toyota rear axle with e-locker for $700. He won the axle, but has a locked FJC and can't use it.

It is a complete rear axle assembly, drum to drum. It is a direct bolt in for the 95 - 04 Tacomas. It has a 4.30 gear ratio, equipped with ABS, electric locker (wich comes with the actuator) and has drum brakes. Basically, anybody wanting this axle could unbolt their rear axle and bolt this one back up in it's place if they have a 95 - 04 Tacoma

Pretty sweet!
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
I don't have icy/snowy roads to drive on enough to matter so I'm not sure how valuable this will be, but Patch came to me with a Detroit in the rear and a Lock-Rite in the front. If I weren't so lazy I'd swap out the Lock-rite for a Tru-Trac and then flip the diff's front to rear. I'm not all that fond of driving a Detroit on pavement.
 

pete.wilson

Adventurer
Hey

I think the E-lockers have come a long way over the years and get my vote. I would take the need of a relay and some wiring over the need of a vacum pump and air lines. The ARB's are excellant but there is more to the system which means more cost. On a side note I also like the OX-Locker which is cable activated (some people have had issues with the cable), but it's stout and it works.
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
pete.wilson said:
Hey

I think the E-lockers have come a long way over the years and get my vote. I would take the need of a relay and some wiring over the need of a vacum pump and air lines. The ARB's are excellant but there is more to the system which means more cost. On a side note I also like the OX-Locker which is cable activated (some people have had issues with the cable), but it's stout and it works.


The OX isn't, and never will be an option for a Tacoma/4Runner rear, or LC FF or front either... no diff cover :D
 

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