Look at these idiots.

[Clutch]

Now wait a minute, how come I never hear "outrage" and "disgust", when you see some bloke blasting through The Bush in a Landy, "overlanding" in Africa, while on safari?

Infact, I just saw a guy on a television show doing just that, while chasing down some big cats.

How is that any different than some guys in monster trucks!?

 

[Christophe Noel]

Poor land use is not just left to red necks in monster trucks:

Guys in chi-chi Rovers and Cruisers are just as guilty of driving on muddy trails. Horse back riders are guilty of short cutting switchbacks or riding off trail and around low obsticals in the trail. Dorks on quads ride single track areas not appropriate for 4 wheels. Dirt bike riders claim a steep hill as a fun obstical and proceed to tear the piss out of it. Mountain bikers ride on mud days when they shouldn't or short cut trails. Hikers even do stupid things like tie surveyers tape from every other tree so they can find their way back to the Lincoln Navigator. Some backpackers bury TP and wash dishes in streams.

No matter what your outdoor pursuit, you as a user have ample opportunity to do what is right, educated those who don't know better and clobber the crap out of those who just don't care.

 

[Funrover]

As disturbing as that video may be for some, I personally find this one worse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibpFvT9IZm8

Did anyone save this... It has been removed!

 

[7wt]

The monster trucks are absurd but are they really that different from the built truggys at The Hammers? That is the slippery slope with rock crawling because by deffinition they are running off known trails.

 

[Streakerfreak]

I say this sort of thing ALL THE TIME, and it's a major contributor in my decision to not make babies.

but virtually nobody chooses to agree with me that our biggest environmental concern, effectively the only one that matters... is in our pants.

All the tree hugging in the world won't undo the damage done by 2 people in one act, if that act leads a child, who now needs a mountain of plastic toys, who needs you to cut down more wilderness to make a bigger house and then later wants a house of his or her own and cars and now they need to make more babies, repeat

But this fact (I don't even call it an opinion) is highly unpopular, even angers people and it seems most folks choose to pretend it's not a problem. I even heard a Sedona homeowner say the 4x4 trails mess up the view from her house!

If you ask me, environmentalists should be lobbying for subsidized voluntary sterilization, birth control and "wait 'till you're 25 to breed" campaigns before they start on anything else.


Now on the topic of this video... I know it's not much... but should we start making "Responsible Outdoorsmanship" videos and posting GOOD examples on youtube? We may not get a million views since we won't be WOOO HOOO TEARIN SH UP!!! but at least some good PR is positive, right?

I share your views also. Actually my fiance and I both share your views. She takes birth control. I showed her your rant and she says you are the best. We have been verbally attacked for not wanting kids. Crazy I know. She has lost friends because of it also. Yup we all have to be just like every person out there, 2 kids, white pickets fences, etc. God forbid I decide to not procreate. Yes my family ends with me and not having kids ends my family, but we are getting so over crowded there is no point to adding to the worlds problems. Even driving a v6 4x4 Truck our carbon foot print is very small. If we had even just one kid it would triple over night. Again I say bravo to you:clapsmile for truly using your logic and not what's in your pants. I am not saying kids are bad. All I ask is for people to truly think before they act. Have and love your children. They are a gift to you. Just be responsible, do you really need to have 10 kids. Remember, they are the ones who have to live here after we screw it up.

 

[Streakerfreak]

OK............!

That's IT!

I will now..............

Not Officially........touch this thread with a ten foot...............



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What! Oh I am so sorry for just giving my response to another post I agree with.


Anyways, I forgot to even comment on the video. Everyone on here has had a very valid point, from the people commenting on how horrible this is to the people saying hey wait a minute, hikers, bikers, horses, etc are just as bad to the outdoors when done irresponsibly. Again just like what I was talking about before we all just need to be more responsible with everything we do. Try and have a thread like this on TTORA. That would be interesting. That video makes me sick. I hate being grouped in with those kind of guys. It is frustrating.

 

[Streakerfreak]

Now wait a minute, how come I never hear "outrage" and "disgust", when you see some bloke blasting through The Bush in a Landy, "overlanding" in Africa, while on safari?

Infact, I just saw guy on a a television show doing just that, while chasing down some big cats.

How is that any different than some guys in monster trucks!?

Your 100% right. There is very little difference. But that still does not make this right. I would say the same thing about a video showing a guy blasting through the jungle with no regards for the environment around him.

 

[Ursidae69]

Your 100% right. There is very little difference. But that still does not make this right. I would say the same thing about a video showing a guy blasting through the jungle with no regards for the environment around him.

I agree, Kermit made a great point. No difference. I like seeing old Conservation and Land Use Threads revived.

To further flame Shovel's point, have you seen this website? In all seriousness, exponential human population growth is a serious world issue.

 

[DaveInDenver]

To further flame Shovel's point, have you seen vhemt.org?

From their FAQs:

When Ice Age humans hunted animals to extinction, at least one of the Neanderdunces among them must have grunted in bewilderment. As the Fertile Crescent became a barren desert, and the Cedars of Lebanon were sacrificed for temples, someone must have thought, "this bodes ill." When Romans fueled their empire by extracting resources from near and far, surely someone remarked, "Humanus non gratis," or words to that effect. Someone had to get the idea that the planet would be better off without this busy horde.

I dunno if they are really a serious group or not, but I don't feel the need to add to the problem. Funny how many true blue environmentalists have kids, some how justifying it to themselves.
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[DaveInDenver]

I've never met a polymath as deep and wide as my father

A modern day Uomo universale, eh? No kids (at 36), so I got time to read about da Vinci, who was the pure definition of the 'universal man', if ever there was one... Just had to point out the good vocabulary usage, polymath. Nice. Oh, and just to make the post sorta on topic, yeah, I'm of the same mind as you.

 

[kcowyo]

To further flame Shovel's point, have you seen this website?

Ok, I read enough of that site, until I got a headache anyway....

So just who is it that they are attempting to save the world for? Will a healthy planet not once again spawn organisms that may one day develop the abilities to devour their host? Maybe population growth is a real problem, but that website's arguments are just more nihilistic eco-drivel.

I think they're pissing up a rope.

 

[Clutch]

How many carbon credits does one have to buy, to cancel out having a child?

 

[DaveInDenver]

How many carbon credits does one have to buy, to cancel out having a child?

The enterprising young family will start their own carbon credit trading company. ;-)

 

[Clutch]

The enterprising young family will start their own carbon credit trading company. ;-)

Hey, that was quick! Glad you got my joke.

Aren't we supposed to be talking about monster trucks and rocks....?

Gee-Saas....Shovel! You sound like me...We are choosing a sprog free life also.

People look at us like we are from a different planet, when we make such statements. Truthfully, I am not doing it for some political or evironmental reason...when it comes to it, I am selfish, and having children cuts into my lifestyle. For those who have children, more power to you...not a life I want to live.

 

[kcowyo]

Aren't we supposed to be talking about monster trucks and rocks....?

Thread-swerving is it's own entertainment. But to stay on topic.....

big trucks on rocks > overpopulated earth