LR3 with only 45K has major failure

nwoods

nwoods

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Z O O R O P A said:
sooooooooooo is the RR Sport any different? As far as suspension goes . . .
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They are identical, although the RRS lowers down a bit more electronically at speed, and the supercharged RRS has some sort of active anti-sway bar system that I never understood.

The thread on LRR Forums is the same truck. It is also on Land Rover World. The original owner of this LR3 contacted me well over a month ago when it initially happened. I am on pretty much ALL the LR3 related forums that speak English. This is the first publicly announced failure of it's kind, and the ONLY one I have ever seen. There are tens of thousands of LR3's with over 100,000 miles on them out there, and well over 100,000 LR3's between 50k and 100k miles now. This seems to be a very singular and isolated event, without a clear cause.

I would also like to point out that very experienced and generally knowledgeable people have posted their feelings in this thread about the LR3 suspension components, but none of them have any actual knowledge of this truck. Please keep that in mind as you read through this thread.
 
R_Lefebvre

R_Lefebvre

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Gosh some of you guys are thick. I'm not saying it's as robust as a solid axle suspension. I bought an 04 DII specifically because it's the last of that breed. And notice I said "robust", not strong. There's subtle difference of intent.

All I'm arguing is that this has nothing to do with Ford, or cost. It has everything to do with the design intent of the vehicle, and weight is probably the real reason.
 
R_Lefebvre

R_Lefebvre

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Gosh some of you guys are thick. I'm not saying it's as robust as a solid axle suspension. I bought an 04 DII specifically because it's the last of that breed. And notice I said "robust", not strong. There's subtle difference of intent.

All I'm arguing is that this has nothing to do with Ford, or cost. It has everything to do with the design intent of the vehicle, and weight is probably the real reason. This vehicle is not designed to work on the farm, nor go rock crawling. It's designed to comfortably shuttle families around on road, and occasionally on muddy tracks. If you're really brave, maybe you'll drive across Africa with it. It is NOT meant for the sorts of "hey watch this y'all" antics that Americans tend to do.

As for this being the crappiest, weakest vehicle ever made... you're clearly clueless on that regard. This is ONE failure, and unless and until there are more, it's an isolated incident likely due to a MANUFACTURING defect, not design. Design problems don't show up only once.
 
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Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
muskyman said:
The pics are the same but the second poster that also had a issue is a different person and a different truck that had a similar failure.

Also in the link I posted was reffrenced a lower control arm failure that I saw at the dealer while picking up parts back in 07 and they thought the person had snagged it on something but yet they were just at a dealer event on what amounted to a dirt coarse designed to simple articulate the suspension and make novice off-roaders go wow.

so thats 3 trucks with lower control arm failures that I know of right now.

As these threads get googled and more people become aware of these failures its pretty clear that more will show up.

How big a issue this is will yet to be seen, but people need to un derstand thats how these issues accumulate.

I am not sure how many people remember the DII front driveshaft issue and how it unfolded. I do, the first thread started with debate just like this. People looking at pics in a thread of a trans with giant holes in it. Engineering based opinions flying, peopledefending the trucks saying it was not a issue...then there was another and another and another. Then after enough of them a pattern was emerging and know 7 years later enough have failed that in the land rover community there is a very solid opinion that you need to watch these things like there is no tomorow because the AC drain drips on them and the cat cooks them and they fail in a very destructive way.

We as the Land Rover community have to pay attention to these things and when a potential issue shows up we need to be on top of it because we are the network of information. The dealers have a reason not to count these issues. Land Rover has a reason not to look at this as a issue, but we do. If someone was to die in a crash caused by a issue that we knew about and failed to talk about what good are we as a enthusiast community?
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that's the right attitude enthusiasts should take. Call it like it is and be honest about it.

Towing some imaginary loyalty party line and then backpedalling just kills credibility. With something this obvious, there is no defense. The pictures of the components speak for themselves.

It's the responsibility of enthusiasts to call it out. That is what makes an "enthusiasts" opinion of value!
 
kellymoe

kellymoe

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Mike_rupp said:
I was joking about the Pilot as an off the cuff response, but I had to do an oil change on the mini-van, I mean Pilot, so I took some pics of the suspension.

Maybe its just my gut and I'm completely off base, but the Pilot sure does look beefier than the LR3.
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I have a Pilot and although it mainly does teh mini van routine, taking my kids to school and gymnastics, it does pretty damn good off road and kills on snow and ice. If it weren't our primary family car i would love to push that thing to the limit to see what it could really do off road.

Thanks for the oil change reminder.

Back to the LR3 discussion and glad we will soon be down to a one Land Rover family, the Pilot is much cheaper to run but no personality.
 
MattScott

MattScott

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This will only continue to kill the resale value, fine by me, I'll be able to afford one quicker.

....and TLC values go up.
 
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