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mgmetalworks

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Curious, are you going to run hard lines all the way from the tank or just on the motor?

I will have a lift pump about half way between the tank and the engine. Plan is to do hard line the length of the frame on either side of the lift pump with short lengths of braided hose at the tank and engine sides. I'm also going to do some hard lines for part of my transmission cooler plumbing.
 

naterry

13 Cheeseburgers
I will have a lift pump about half way between the tank and the engine. Plan is to do hard line the length of the frame on either side of the lift pump with short lengths of braided hose at the tank and engine sides. I'm also going to do some hard lines for part of my transmission cooler plumbing.

Nice, I've wanted to run hard lines for ages because I hate the smell SS braided lines leave. I know the teflon braided lines aren't supposed to stink but they still seem to let the fumes out somewhere. That smell is my nemesis: track cars end up reeking, so tired of it! Grr...

Good thinking re: relieving stress with short braided sections. Looking forward to seeing it!
 

fmboss429

Observer
I loves me some new tools!!! After a couple of decades foolin' around with tube benders and tube forming tools of various levels of suck, I finally found tools worth investing some coin into. I originally started looking for some Swagelok benders but came across a forum post about Ridgid's lower-cost copy. These are super nice and about half the price of the Swagelok units. I've bent some test pieces already and I'm very impressed. Same goes for the hydraulic forming tool. I've owned 3 different flaring tools and none of them even come close to this thing. It is a little clumsy with all of the dies and levers and dial but once you get it set up, you can make perfect inverted flares, bubble flares, push-to-connect.... I can't wait to use all this new bling on my stainless fuel lines!!

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Ridgid 600 series instrument benders (1/4", 5/16", 3/8", 1/2")

Mastercool universal hydraulic flaring tool.

I can't wait to see more work.
 

mgmetalworks

Explorer
I recently got ahold of a Ford diagnostic tool and software and while it is refreshing to be able to do some things with these tools, I'm pretty disappointed in how limited the functionality of the software is. And by limited I mean that the software is basically dog crap for any sort of "customizing". I haven't tried all of my ideas for work arounds yet but it appears as though I'll have to get creative to do some of things I am planning to do. I've been buying up an assortment of E-series modules (instrument panel cluster, RCM, PCM, ABS, etc...) and I have an ever-evolving harness that makes up a bench-top CAN network to do some testing with. I'm able to connect to and run diagnostics on all of the modules so far, which is good. A little more work to do before I can claim complete dominance over my van though. :)
 
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fmboss429

Observer
I recently got ahold of a Ford diagnostic tool and software and while it is refreshing to be able to do some things with these tools, I'm pretty disappointed in how limited the functionality of the software is. And by limited I mean that the software is basically dog crap for any sort of "customizing". I haven't tried all of my ideas for work arounds yet but it appears as though I'll have to get creative to do some of things I am planning to do. I've been buying up an assortment of E-series modules (instrument panel cluster, RCM, PCM, ABS, etc...) and I have an ever-evolving harness that makes up a bench-top CAN network to do some testing with. I'm able to connect to and run diagnostics on all of the modules so far, which is good. A little more work to do before I can claim complete dominance over my van though. :)

Out of curiosity, how long do you have to collect data on a module before you have a good picture of what's going on?
 

mgmetalworks

Explorer
Out of curiosity, how long do you have to collect data on a module before you have a good picture of what's going on?

It depends on what you're looking for really. Some things are fairly easy to figure out since they're the same value all the time. VIN# for instance was pretty easy to find within the mess of data because it is long string of known characters. I think I found that within a 15 second snapshot of the bus monitoring I did initially. Other things aren't so easy. I have hundreds of thousands of data points collected so far but only a few data packets deciphered completely.

Part of the reason for setting up a bench-top network is so I can easily monitor bus traffic while isolating certain modules. If I can tell which data packets are coming from which module (and possibly see where the packet is intended to go), I think I can work fairly quickly through the list. On one occasion I recorded about 25 secs worth of data while driving my van (on the high speed bus, remember there is also a medium speed bus in the van with lower priority data) and that resulted in just shy of 17,000 lines of information. For each line there is an identifier and 8 individual data values. In that 25 seconds, 28 unique identifiers were broadcast on the bus, each with at least one of the 8 values populated with something. Nothing just stands up and shouts out at you "HEY! I'm over here!"... you have to dig pretty deep and collect data a variety of ways in order to decipher what exactly is going on. Right now I'm communicating with modules individually to see what info they send out. I'll then introduce one module at a time and see how that changes things.

Not all of this module trickery is necessary for the Cummins installation. I could get away with a lot less work if I made some compromises. I want a very thorough understanding of the van's network and how everything interacts though. Most of what I'm doing here is just curiosity...and trying to find some business opportunities. :)
 

fmboss429

Observer
It depends on what you're looking for really. Some things are fairly easy to figure out since they're the same value all the time. VIN# for instance was pretty easy to find within the mess of data because it is long string of known characters. I think I found that within a 15 second snapshot of the bus monitoring I did initially. Other things aren't so easy. I have hundreds of thousands of data points collected so far but only a few data packets deciphered completely.

Part of the reason for setting up a bench-top network is so I can easily monitor bus traffic while isolating certain modules. If I can tell which data packets are coming from which module (and possibly see where the packet is intended to go), I think I can work fairly quickly through the list. On one occasion I recorded about 25 secs worth of data while driving my van (on the high speed bus, remember there is also a medium speed bus in the van with lower priority data) and that resulted in just shy of 17,000 lines of information. For each line there is an identifier and 8 individual data values. In that 25 seconds, 28 unique identifiers were broadcast on the bus, each with at least one of the 8 values populated with something. Nothing just stands up and shouts out at you "HEY! I'm over here!"... you have to dig pretty deep and collect data a variety of ways in order to decipher what exactly is going on. Right now I'm communicating with modules individually to see what info they send out. I'll then introduce one module at a time and see how that changes things.

Not all of this module trickery is necessary for the Cummins installation. I could get away with a lot less work if I made some compromises. I want a very thorough understanding of the van's network and how everything interacts though. Most of what I'm doing here is just curiosity...and trying to find some business opportunities. :)

I am a lot like you in that sense. I want to know and understand what I am doing, and why I am doing it. Your attention to detail and drive have sold me. I'd buy your kit without a second thought. Keep up the great work!
 

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