Modifications/preventive measures for 12+ day desert expedition...?

AEsco48

Member
25x20lt Jerrys, that's around 500kg of fuel not including the Jerry cans, and you're talking of having some of it in the Jeep. There is no way I'd do any sort of travel with fuel stored internally let alone 500lt!!!!! for those that dont work in lt's that's about 7 full tanks of fuel!!!

To be honest I dont think the trip is feasible if you need to carry that much extra fuel, can you organise any sort of fuel dump. For remote desert travel here fuel is dumped by a supply truck and the 44Gallon drums are marked, everyone knows the next person wont make it out if they take their fuel so even though it's a trust system it seems to work. The other option is to get a supply truck to come along otherwise in the desert heat you are going to have a convoy of mobile bombs filled with fuel and fuel vapour (those jerrys will release vapour and you'll have a jeep full of it)

Cheers
Steve

To be honest honest I dont know. This is what our guide told us and he has made the trip man many times.

Its under 800lb of fuel.... Whats the weight limit of a JK?

We did talk about hiring a pickup truck to carry just fuel for two cars plus itself.

I would not have much trust in meeting someone to resupply us in the middle of the desert. After the fork in the road on the map... its wide open desert till the top left section of track.
 

Steve F

Adventurer
Anything to get that 500lt of fuel out of the Jeep and into the open where there will be no fumes buildup. How many vehicles going? Maybe hire a larger truck if there are enough people going and use 44 gallon drums instead of Jerry cans, with $25 a Jerry can that's $625 per person that could go towards truck hire. I can hire a truck here for 12 days for that, I guess you;'d need a decent 4WD one though but still if there are a few of you and you all need to spend $625 on Jerrys I'd look into it.

Max payload of the 2 Door is about 370kg (includes people and luggage) and the 4 door is around 550kg

Cheers
Steve
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Thats per vehicle... 12 days with out crossing any type of civilization. Easy go though 80 liters of gas a day of mostly non stop driving... Especially if its in sand dunes.

I am assuming your Jeep is the 2.8L. I have seen on average 12-14L/100km on off-piste driving in the desert with the J8 (also from Egypt).

Sounds like a fantastic adventure.
 

AEsco48

Member
So it turns out a good option is to buy/rent a 400lt/100gal truck fuel tank... Like the ones you see hanging off on the sides of big rigs. You take out the rear seats and super duper strap it down. This way the load is in the center of the Jeep. As needed you just siphon gas from the truck tank to the Jeeps regular tank.
 

AEsco48

Member
One of the guys has an exhaust jack... Will def bring it along!

Using plastic Gerry cans since there wont be too much floor space... But good product!

Yup.. Already do that! Works great!
 

Timgco

Adventurer
How about a dual battery kit? Having a spare or dual setup will allow you to get your engine going if one fails and to keep accessories running seperate from your starting battery..
Having a winch is a must in my mind....esp is very remote areas. Digging will get old after a while. You can always use one of your spare/ wheel/ tires as an achor point if you get it deep enough in the sand. In addition, Sand ladders would be best to have on your type of trip.

having a roof rack to put lighter/ bulky items up top would help with distributing your gear.

An off road trailer would help with hauling all that water/ fuel as well. If no trailer, and no fuel drops anywhere, try to keep your water/ fuel as low as you can in your truck. LCOG is important...esp in sand/ off camber terrain.

The Genrite fuel tank is expensive, but a great way to get extra fuel on board without the need of geri cans and taking up valuable room.

fuel, water, food, medical supplies, skids, ucp protection, spare parts, recovery gear are ll very important. Cutting corners on any of your gear can ruin a trip easily enough. Buy quality products that will outlast your trips for some time to come. Cheap/ failed gear on your trip is waisted money and cost you more...even a life in some cases.
...my 2 cents.
 

AEsco48

Member
2nd spare battery is on the list. But was not thinking of putting a dual battery kit on the jeep...
In the time it would take to dig a hole for the wheel anchor and get it out again I could just dig the jeep out... plus time taking the spare off and back on...

UCP?

Thx
 

Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
In the time it would take to dig a hole for the wheel anchor and get it out again I could just dig the jeep out... plus time taking the spare off and back on...
Thx

Not when it's sitting on it's axles in sand you can't.
"Digging it out" will just dig it deeper in seriously sandy conditions.

-Dan
 

AEsco48

Member
Not when it's sitting on it's axles in sand you can't.
"Digging it out" will just dig it deeper in seriously sandy conditions.

-Dan

Why so? So if its on the axles and on the belly and I go in and take the sand out from under the belly and axles so its just on the tires... And use sand mats.... That should work right?

Reason I ask is b\c this happened already once in really soft sand and after i dug out what I though was enough sand, even using the sand mats I was not able to get out... Then i got pulled out but I just figured I had to dig more sand out from under the belly... w/o digging sound out from under the tire...

Thx
 

Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
Why so? So if its on the axles and on the belly and I go in and take the sand out from under the belly and axles so its just on the tires... And use sand mats.... That should work right?

Thx

In my experience dealing with full-on sand, it just slides around and caves back into the places you are trying to keep it out of.
Also, getting "under" the vehicle to dig out the belly will be very difficult when it's essentially sitting on the rock rails. You'll have to move a serious amount of sand to do that.
To get your mats under the tires you'll have to dig each one out individually too.
Once you move forward, it may just sink again and you're back to the start.

The advantage of using the winch off a buried spare is that you'll move forward a good distance from only one hole dug.

If in the hot desert, make sure you don't do any of this in the heat of the day. Sit in the shade and wait for the temperature to drop.

-Dan
 

dwh

Tail-End Charlie
One of the members here, "maxingout", has posted some truly excellent articles for desert rats and would be desert rats.


Expeditionary Sandbook - Don't Do Stupid Things is a MUST READ:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/63335-Expeditionary-Sandbook-Don-t-Do-Stupid-Things


His article on his web site covering desert navigation is another must read:
http://outbackandbeyond.com/Expeditionary_Handbook.htm


His trip reports are also very much worth reading - especially for the OP, the ones covering Arabia should be invaluable:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/search.php?searchid=368109
 

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