Need Help with Vehicle Selection

Rhode Trip

Adventurer
haven said:
For use as a camper, I'd try hard to avoid the dual rear wheel setup, even if it means towing a small off-road trailer to take weight off the camper. These days you can get single rear wheel trucks with 15,000 lb GVWR.

Once your kids reach the age of 10, they won't want to stay in the camper with mom and dad anyway. Let them sleep in a rooftop tent mounted on the trailer.

Chip Haven
Only basing it on my experience. I've driven the same camper on an F350 SRW (previous owner's) and found it less stable off camber and at highway speed. I have not experienced any difficulty due to the DRW, but I am sure you could find instances where you might.
 

Lutzy48

New member
Tiger Chassis Flex/Durability

You made a comment about chassis flex and durability with the Tiger unit. I have been considering one of these. What can you tell me about your percieved issues with it, please. Thanks.
 

boblynch

Adventurer
The Tiger motorhome is a 4x4 class C with the camper and cab connected. IMHO this is a well built unit, but not one I would take far off road.

The chassis of a truck flexes when on rough terrain. That's the reason there is a gap between the bed and cab on your average pickup truck. Most high end units designed for exploration use a tri-point system where one end of the cabin is fixed and the other connected with a pivoting mount. This allows the camper to flex and avoid damage.

A quick search on this forum and you'll find detailed discussions of this topic. Also checkout the pics on www.ruf-inc.com under the TFS tab for details.
 

theMec

Adventurer
MogPinz said:
Pinzgauer 712 Amb
70% of the Earth is covered with water, the rest you can cover with a Pinzgauer!

As cool as the Pinz (or a Mog) is an expedition vehicle, they are just too dang slow for normal US road trips. Now if you're not concerned about travel time, it's a different situation.

This was one of my options also when buying my last vehicle. Besides the speed aspect, the wife just said NO.
 

boblynch

Adventurer
Dodge 5500 and Cab Pass Thru Questions

Has anyone on the ExPo driven the Dodge 5500 yet? Also, anyone heard when/if they will offer a full size crew cab? As of now it's the quad or regular cab.

If I go with a flatbed and storage boxes (as discussed before), I'm really considering the merits of a larger chassis (e.g., F550 or Ram5500).

I'd also like to evaluate the cost/issues with cutting a pass-thru on a full size truck. Has anyone done this on their own rigs (ala Tiger or Earthroamer)? If so, please post pics.

Thanks.
 

maximumrob

Adventurer
Why not an H2 with an off-road trailer and RTT mounted to it? All you have to do is remove the running board thingies and it really is a decent off-roader if you keep some mean tires under it. It'll be big enough to transport your family and luggage and not be near as large as a crew cab pickup.

If too big, consider the miniscule H3 with an off-road trailer.

Poor outside visibility will hamper your sightseeing adventures, though, and you'll constantly be taunted by eco-types and Rubicon owners alike. ;)
 

Ron B

Explorer
MogPinz said:
Pinzgauer 712 Amb
70% of the Earth is covered with water, the rest you can cover with a Pinzgauer!
43% side slope capability (Hummer is rated @ 40%)

I'd love to see some pics of your Pinz...they are one of my favorites (I'm actually trying to talk a buddy into buying one).

I wanted to correct/add to your assumption about the hummer only being capable to a 40% sideslope (20 deg is pretty tame don't ya think). These limits from the factory are given as safe to drive on all day at full gvw (10,500 lbs) without starving critical components of lubrication or ingesting water through seals (40% side slope, 60% grade, 30" water fording). Of course you can push these limits (in most cases more than double them), but for only brief periods of time of you'll start to mess stuff up as in any vehicle.

rb
 

deserteagle56

Adventurer
Some points to ponder from an old geezer who's lived in the remote desert for the last 40 years (if I drive south from my little spread, it's 102 miles till I get to a paved road). I've tried trailers, slide-ins and vans:

Trailers tend to be wider than the average two-track road you'll drive in the outback. If there is heavy brush crowding the road it will literally rip up the sides of the trailer - and mess up any plumbing underneath also. Very few have enough ground clearance to cross any kind of a washout. On some trailers, the plumbing is not designed to handle the vibration of washboardy roads which will cause lines to crack and fittings to loosen. And as someone mentioned in one of the above posts, you'd better hope you get to a place you can turn one around before you run out of road!

Slide-ins, unless they're a pop-up, are generally very top heavy. Get on any kind of off-camber trail and you'll be putting a pucker in your truck's seat covers! Their height can also be a problem if trees crowd the road - and if wind warnings are up! Here in Nevada when the winds pick up, there are sections of highway where "Campers and trailers prohibited" signs go up. A heavy slide-in is hell on tires if you build up any speed on a rock-strewn road - and if that road turns into bottomless pockets of "bug dust" (as it's known around here), no amount of airing down is going to help. I've also had problems with leaky plumbing after a couple hundred miles of washboardy road.

A 4x4 van set up for primitive camping is still the most durable and maneuverable way to go, in my opinion. I've used one for 32 years now and it will go places my pickups cannot because the wheelbase is shorter and there is less overhang both front and rear. You'll have a secure place to sleep, in out of the weather. If the weather gets really bad you can still cook inside, and use a porta-potty. But yes, if you've a wife and kids and dogs it can get awfully crowded and getting on each other's nerves after a few days of bad weather!

So really, it's a choice you and your family will have to make...sticking to well-maintained roads but having all the amenities along, or living more primitively out in some remote corner of God's country!
 

VikingVince

Explorer
RhodeTrip,

You have a nice, comfy setup there for you and your family!
Just wondering what you carry for recovery gear? I see you have your spare tire on the front bumper. If you wanted to, could you move your spare tire to the roof of the camper and then add a winch/bumper...or would the tire be too heavy on top? It wouldn't stick up more than the AC, right?
 

alaskantinbender

Adventurer
Great info on rig selection deserteagle56.
I have come to much the same conclusion, now I am trying to figure the best inside configuration for the van.


Regards,

Jim
 

Rhode Trip

Adventurer
VikingVince said:
RhodeTrip,

You have a nice, comfy setup there for you and your family!
Just wondering what you carry for recovery gear? I see you have your spare tire on the front bumper. If you wanted to, could you move your spare tire to the roof of the camper and then add a winch/bumper...or would the tire be too heavy on top? It wouldn't stick up more than the AC, right?

Thanks, Vince. As far as recovery gear goes, so far I just have a tow strap, a shovel, 12x12 plywood pads and a heavy duty bottle jack. I have been carrying 2 spares. If I use my trailer, I take the tire off the front of the truck and carry it on there. I don't see why you couldn't carry it on the roof, but it might be awkward getting it off and on.
I haven't been able to decide between the Buckstop bumper (200 lbs over the weight of the OEM bumper) and the Ute,Ltd design (aluminum) that is used on the Earthroamer. Add in the weight of the 16.5 winch and the diesel engine, and you're talking some serious weight on the front end. What I really like about my rig is the Northen lite is very lightweight for its size but its easy to start putting all kinds of stuff in there, other equipment, books, food, supplies, tools, whatnot-and I want to keep the GVW as low as possible.
So I'm still debating. Interesting question, though. There is no frame to the Northern Lite, so I'm not sure where the best mounting point would be on the roof, but probably in back of the AC would be fine with some additional bracing for it.
 

VikingVince

Explorer
Rhode Trip said:
Thanks, Vince. As far as recovery gear goes, so far I just have a tow strap, a shovel, 12x12 plywood pads and a heavy duty bottle jack. I have been carrying 2 spares. If I use my trailer, I take the tire off the front of the truck and carry it on there. I don't see why you couldn't carry it on the roof, but it might be awkward getting it off and on.
I haven't been able to decide between the Buckstop bumper (200 lbs over the weight of the OEM bumper) and the Ute,Ltd design (aluminum) that is used on the Earthroamer. Add in the weight of the 16.5 winch and the diesel engine, and you're talking some serious weight on the front end. What I really like about my rig is the Northen lite is very lightweight for its size but its easy to start putting all kinds of stuff in there, other equipment, books, food, supplies, tools, whatnot-and I want to keep the GVW as low as possible.
So I'm still debating. Interesting question, though. There is no frame to the Northern Lite, so I'm not sure where the best mounting point would be on the roof, but probably in back of the AC would be fine with some additional bracing for it.

Yeah, I was wondering about the additional weight as well. FYI, the Ute website says they've discontinued the bullbar line for American trucks. Another possiblitly would be Reunel (you probably know that)...I haven't checked if weight is more or less than Buckstop www.reunel.com

I really enjoyed the pics and reading your account of your Canada trip at the RVNet site...made me wanna go there!:)
 

saltamontes

Observer
camper roof storage

re roof storage on the Nlite (or other fiberglass TC), i would not load anything heavy directly on the fiberglass. It will risk hairline cracks in the gelcoat.
Nlite sells a roof rack that bolts through the camper ($400?). Better to load up that instead but try to keep COG low. may be better to rig a custom rear carrier off the tow hitch or use a frt carrier that mounts at the towhooks.

re front bumper, i never was a fan of giant/heavy front bumpers. Honestly, i don't plan on banging into things
w/ a camper on a full-size rig.. the stock bumper will be just fine and look better IMO.
i do plan on adding a frt winch (one of the main motivations for aftermarket bumpers) which i plan on mounting upside down on a custom bed-plate without moving out or replacing the stock bumper (the 05+ fords have ample room behind the valence)

re dual alternators, + line to camper (~10 guage) cannot handle anything greater than a single HO alt can provide. Duels were more probs than it was worth (besides, most on lots or used have single HO).

re larger capacity wheels and tires, you will be hard pressed to find higher rated wheels than the stock 05+ alcoa forged wheels. most aftermarket wheels are lug-centric (made for looks not for load capacity). Most e-rated rubber will make you happy.

re front and rear lockers, between 4wd and winch i hope not to need this. ARb makes one for f350, but its lots of air lines; stuff to break. eaton has a new elocker, but not sure of longevity. detroit has a non-selectable.. may affect drive characteristics around corner in city driving. my advice is hold off on this till u really feel you need it.

re long/short bed, for 3+ fam u want a CC. a CC LB is long long long (esp as DD). I started a thread here on this some time ago.
if you go SRW, 9' (typ 9'-6") is max safe len for TC IMO. diff between 8 (type 8'-11") and 9' is typ a closet. i was cool w/out the extra closet and was able to go SB 8' (better breakover and great DD). Key is the overhang. Lance 845, for example has lots o overhang (not good). NLite, bigfoot (for example), have high overhang.

re hardside v. popup, its nice to have the camper avail all the times at full height w/out having to pop it up. its warmer also but suffers from higher COG. you can find some light hardsides w/ ~= weight as good popup w/ biggest diff then being COG which you will notice on off camber roads, but hardly at all when flat.

rv.net has the best forum for rv's

good luck w/ your decision.


my rig:
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SWB F350 4x4, Nlite 8-11Q, airbags, torklift frame-mounted w/ long-arm fastguns, etc.
no probs whatsoever w/ the truck/camper (and i have boonie-bashed it). Perf for small family.


soon to be added:
- 2.5" leveling kit (any more is too high IMO)
- winch
- amp retractable steps
- 295/75 toyos (fits oem wheels, huge load capacity)
 
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