T-Willy
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Sure. Then add one person and a week's worth of water (welcome to remote desert camping) and your $45,000 brand-new Bronco's running rough roads at or over capacity.
No thanks. Better to stay well below payload.
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Sure. Then add one person and a week's worth of water (welcome to remote desert camping) and your $45,000 brand-new Bronco's running rough roads at or over capacity.
No thanks. Better to stay well below payload.
DieselRanger
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Have you been tracking what Lucky8 has done? Lift, 33" 12.5 MTs, sliders, and they've hinted they're working on a front bumper, and they have already got something going for the rear bumper. They have an A-bar for the Disco and I suspect a metal A-bar will not be far behind with the Defender. Behind the floating panel is a structural member so it wouldn't be a window or anything else anyway - still, I suspect the 110 will get a floating pillar delete like the 90 will have at introduction. As for other accessories - so what if Land Rover is offering a WARN winch, racks, lights, etc? Are they not allowed to try to compete with the aftermarket?
The "fake diamond plate" on the hood aren't actually stickers if you get up close on them. The ones on the hood are inset coated panels, they look to be plasti-dipped like truck bed treatments but with a texture on the top. The ones on the corners are like a wrap - most people would put stone protecting clear bras/wraps on these areas anyway, so now they are thick rubberized wrap panels that are textured, replaceable, won't rust, and protect the paint better than steel plates riveted into the body would, and don't introduce holes into the skin of the vehicle for water and fine sand/debris to work its way in.
85_Ranger4x4
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To be fair the kayaks and chainsaw could probably stay home if one is traveling thru the desert...
T-Willy
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The one-week Baja beach scenario--I do it just about every year. Chainsaw--yes. But, ice--and other beverages.
JeepColorado
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Lucky 8 has the best looking Defender on the Internet in my opinion- I definitely like what he's doing.
DieselRanger
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Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but here's a paper comparison between the Defender and the Bronco on geometry. Note the Defender ride height is in "minimum off road height," in Off Road 1 height, not OR 2, Extended or Super Extended, though in Extended/SE modes droop is severely limited. I'll also add, these numbers are for a Defender on 32" tires.
Defender 110:
D90:
Bronco Badlands: ("the most capable Bronco" assuming you get the Sasquatch package with 35" tires). For 'Muricans not versed in European Socialist metric measurements, but instead think in Freedom Units, 875mm is 34.44 Freedom Notches. Why Ford used Socialism Units instead of Freedom Units is beyond me.
And just for ********** n grins, here are the Discovery 5 numbers: Note, they reversed the numbers on the wading depth - my manual says 35.4 for EAS, and the Ramp Angle is actually 25.3 degrees, not 2.5. Discovery stock tires are 31".
Defender 110:
D90:
Bronco Badlands: ("the most capable Bronco" assuming you get the Sasquatch package with 35" tires). For 'Muricans not versed in European Socialist metric measurements, but instead think in Freedom Units, 875mm is 34.44 Freedom Notches. Why Ford used Socialism Units instead of Freedom Units is beyond me.
And just for ********** n grins, here are the Discovery 5 numbers: Note, they reversed the numbers on the wading depth - my manual says 35.4 for EAS, and the Ramp Angle is actually 25.3 degrees, not 2.5. Discovery stock tires are 31".
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JeepColorado
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Bronco vs Wrangler vs Defender Numbers
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2021 Ford Bronco Vs Wrangler And Defender: Round Two, FIGHT!
The 2021 Ford Bronco will give two other off-road legends a run for their money. How does the Bronco compare to the Jeep Wrangler and Land Rover Defender?
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JeepColorado
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Exterior Dimensions And Off-Road Capability
| Ford Bronco Two-Door | Jeep Wrangler | Land Rover Defender 90 | |
| Length, inches (millimeters) | 173.7 (4,412) | 166.8 (4,237) | 180.4 (4,582) |
| Width, in (mm) | 75.9–79.3 (1,928–2,014) | 73.8 (1,875) | 78.6 (1,996) |
| Height, in (mm) | 71.9–75.2 (1,826–1,910) | 73.6 (1,868) | 77.5 (1,969) |
| Wheelbase, in (mm) | 100.4 (2,550) | 96.8 (2,460) | 101.9 (2,588) |
| Track F/R, in (mm) | 65.0–66.9 (1,651–1,699) / 65.0–66.9 (1,651–1,699) | 62.9 (1,598) / 62.9 (1,598) | 67.2 (1,707) / 67.0 (1,702) |
| Maximum approach / breakover / departure angle | 43.2 / 29.0 / 37.2 | 44.0 / 27.8 / 37.0 | 38.0 / 31.0 / 40.0 |
| Maximum ground clearance, in (mm) | 11.6 (295) | 10.8 (274) | 11.5 (292) |
| Wading depth, in (mm) | 33.5 (851) | 30.0 (762) | 35.4 (899) |
| Curb weight, pounds (kilograms) | N/A | 3,919 (1,778)–4,222 (1,915) | 4,830 (2,191) |
| Ford Bronco Four-Door | Jeep Wrangler Unlimited | Land Rover Defender 110 | |
| Length, inches (millimeters) | 189.4 (4,811) | 188.4 (4,785) | 197.6 (5,019) |
| Width, in (mm) | 75.9–79.3 (1,928–2,014) | 73.8 (1,875) | 78.6 (1,996) |
| Height, in (mm) | 72.9–75.3 (1,852–1,913) | 73.6 (1,868.4) | 77.4 (1,966) |
| Wheelbase, in (mm) | 116.1 (2,949) | 118.4 (3,008) | 119.0 (3,023) |
| Track F/R, in (mm) | 65.0–66.9 (1,651–1,699) / 65.0–66.9 (1,651–1,699) | 62.9 (1,598) / 62.9 (1,598) | 67.1 (1,704) / 66.9 (1,699) |
| Maximum approach / breakover / departure angle | 43.2 / 26.3 / 37.0 | 43.9 / 22.6 / 37.0 | 38.0 / 28.0 / 40.0 |
| Maximum ground clearance, in (mm) | 11.5 (292) | 10.8 (274) | 11.5 (292) |
| Wading depth, in (mm) | 33.5 (851) | 30.0 (762) | 35.4 (899) |
| Curb weight, pounds (kilograms) | N/A | 4,167 (1,890)–4,862 (2,205) | 4,815 (2,184)–5,165 (2,343) |
JeepColorado
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Standard Engines
Optional Engines
| Ford Bronco 2.3-liter I-4 | Jeep Wrangler 3.6-liter V6 | Land Rover Defender 2.0-liter I-4 | |
| Engine | Turbocharged DOHC 2.3-liter direct-injected inline-four | DOHC 3.6-liter direct-injected V6 | Turbocharged DOHC 2.0-liter direct-injected inline-four |
| Power, horsepower (kilowatts) | 270 (201), est. | 285 (213) | 296 (221) |
| Torque, pound-feet (newton-meters) | 310 (420), est. | 260 (353) | 295 (400) |
| Fuel economy, miles per gallon city / highway / combined | TBD | 17–19 / 22–25 / 19–20 | 17–18 / 20–21 / 18–19 |
| Maximum towing capacity, pounds | 3,500 | 3,500 | 8,201 |
| Ford Bronco 2.7-liter V6 | Jeep Wrangler mild-hybrid 2.0-liter I-4 | Jeep Wrangler turbodiesel 3.0-liter V6 | Land Rover Defender mild-hybrid 3.0-liter V6 | |
| Engine | Twin-turbocharged DOHC 2.7-liter direct-injected V6 | Turbocharged DOHC 2.0-liter inline-four with 48V mild-hybrid assist | Turbocharged DOHC 3.0-liter diesel V6 | Turbocharged DOHC 3.0-liter V6 with 48V mild-hybrid assist |
| Power, horsepower (kilowatts) | 310 (231) | 270 (200) | 260 (194) | 395 |
| Torque, pound-feet (newton-meters) | 400 (542) | 295 (400) | 442 (600) | 406 |
| Fuel economy, miles per gallon city / highway / combined | TBD | 21–22 / 22–24 / 21–23 | 22 / 29 / 25 | 17 / 22 / 19 |
| Maximum towing capacity, pounds | 3,500 | 3,500 | 3,500 | 8,201 |
DieselRanger
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Numbers for the Defender's "maximum" ground clearance are incorrect - they don't account for Extended or Super Extended mode, only OR2. Extended Mode can only be accessed upon grounding or wading, and then Super Extended mode is user-controlled above that.
T-Willy
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Good comparative info above.
And:
Cargo Volume
Bronco 4 door: 77.6 sq ft
JLUR: 72.4 sq ft
Defender 110: 78.8 sq ft
Payload
Bronco 4 door: 1370 lbs.
JLUR: 892 Lbs.
Defender 110: 1980 lbs.
I was surprised--no, I wasn't surprised--to see that the Expedition Portal review of the new Bronco today made no mention of its payload or cargo capacities, but it seems more focused on the four wheel drive systems.
It will be nice to compare range when those numbers are available for Bronco.
And:
Cargo Volume
Bronco 4 door: 77.6 sq ft
JLUR: 72.4 sq ft
Defender 110: 78.8 sq ft
Payload
Bronco 4 door: 1370 lbs.
JLUR: 892 Lbs.
Defender 110: 1980 lbs.
I was surprised--no, I wasn't surprised--to see that the Expedition Portal review of the new Bronco today made no mention of its payload or cargo capacities, but it seems more focused on the four wheel drive systems.
It will be nice to compare range when those numbers are available for Bronco.
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JeepColorado
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It's interesting that LR doesn't advertise or even publish these numbers above the 11.5" ground clearance. The Defender brochure says 11.5" Maximum ground clearance and when you read about the electronic suspension it mentions that the extended mode is automatic if the vehicle is grounded then says that it can be extended further manually through the controls, but it doesn't give the increase above 11.5 for either extended mode or the manually controlled super-extended mode.
dreadlocks
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I could see both a 3L Defender 110 and a 2.3L Bronco 2dr 7MT in my fleet down the road.. Defender for me, Bronco for my Wife.. I need space/payload, towing, power, and comfort for the long hauls.. She wants a fuel efficient wheeler that she can use around the city regardless the weather that we can day-trip in w/out kiddos.. I only want V6 or bigger, she only wants 4cyl turbos.. we both want manuals but for the long hauls I do appreciate a solid auto.
We could take either or both out here in Colorado, but only the Defender would leave Colorado.. Wife wont ride ATV's and Dirt Bikes w/me and my boys so putting her behind the wheel of a non expo'd out bronco would do the trick.
We could take either or both out here in Colorado, but only the Defender would leave Colorado.. Wife wont ride ATV's and Dirt Bikes w/me and my boys so putting her behind the wheel of a non expo'd out bronco would do the trick.
On the older trucks it was about an inch increase IIRC for fully extended.