new to me 89 4-runner, looking for info

[hillbillyjake]

jsut got done asking the wife how to post pics. her mission tomorrow is to figure this out so bear with us. i have found since i brought this thing home i have liked it more every day. my 2 year old saysy that she want's to ride in her 4-runner every time we go outside. that pretty well sells me on it.

specs; blue w/black top, aluminum directional wheels, 235's, 22re, 5 speed, 3" body lift (?) but every thing like lights brakes and the such seem to gin decent order. still have to do the general shake down yet. been busy this week.

if the 4-wheeler sells this week this thread should pick up considerable steam. here's to hopin'

thanks fro all the help and good wishings. if ican ever return the favor i will 10 fold.


jake

 

[4Rescue]

Don't worry mate I'm just giving you the gears The truck sounds like a beaut. can't wait to see what you do with'er. This is a GREAT site for many different reasons but first and fore-most, to me, is the spirit/intention alot of usd are building our trucks for: Adventures!!! Rather then extreme crawlers like alot of other boards.

For pics: Go start a photobucket.com account and then simply copy/paste the "IMG" tags into the post's. It really is that easy.

Cheers

Dave

 

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Did Somebody say.....Scenic WonderRunner Cousin>?!!!

You can also post up here.....and discuss.


http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27110

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[hillbillyjake]

all week long my head has been going crazy with ideas. i know basically what i want to do but time and funds are the down fall. just like with the most of us. first and foremest will be reliability. as well as a weekend wheeler this will also be a third/backup vehicle. but, along the reliabilty line is the expo line. still need to do the official shake down maybe this week end. removed some excess electrical today and may continue tomorrow.

couple questions be fore i go.

1) is the lc engineering timing chain kit better than the engnbldr.com kit. it is definetley more expensive, but is it justified expense.

2) i got to call tomorrow on an '86 for parts. the guy said it has a functioning warn 8274 on it. i think i can buy theh whole thing for around $700. will the winch cut down to much on the air flow to the radiator to end up causing a cooling problem. it's such a good deal i hate to pass it up, but if ti will sacrifice relabilty, i dan't want it.

thanks again
jake

 

[bmh]

1. The engnbldr.com kit is awesome, I used their crawler head and timing kit on my 4runner and love it. The crawler head lowers the powerband a bit too low for highway driving in CO though.

2. I would buy it, take what you need and keep the winch. Later on down the road, when funds are permitting, replace the radiator with a 3 row version from a turbo / v6 model and then install the winch. It is a great find, especially for 700 bones. The cooling shouldn't be too bad, but the extra assurance of a 3 row radiator would be nice.

 

[pcampbell]

I second engnbldr.com. When I got my '87, the front timing cover was busted. He supplied everything to take the motor down to the shortblock and bring it back together. Top notch parts and a really good guy.

An 8274 is going to be huge on the front of your truck. Cool but kinda tall.

 

[BLKNBLU]

I've used both engbldr and LCE parts and both are of fine quality, but I don't think anything justifies the prices of LCE.

Keep in mind that the 8274 has a mounting pattern from the front rather than the bottom. Finding a compatible bumper may prove difficult short of going custom. That said, I think the front mounting of the 8274 is superior. It just presented more complications than I was willing to deal with. I'd grab the rig anyway. Even if you end up reselling the winch, you'll recoup much of the cost of the rig. I wouldn't worry about the effect on cooling.

 

[hillbillyjake]

the guy with the truck siad it had a heavy duty steel bumper taht i assumed was custom/one-off by his description. trust me, i am all about the 8274 if it's size and weight don't become a factor.

with that small a radiator and hat big a winch, you don't think that airflow would be a problem? not doubting, just wondering.

jake

 

[BLKNBLU]

with that small a radiator and hat big a winch, you don't think that airflow would be a problem? not doubting, just wondering.

jake

I don't know it for a fact. I've not had that particular set up. The only times I've had a cooling issue, I've turned out to have some faulty component of the cooling system. When everything is working right I can run all day in AZ summers, AC on, at rockcrawling speed, with plenty of idling mixed in as well.

 

[RU55ELL]

I don't think you are comparing apples to apples here, unless you are talking about getting the single roller chain from either company. I am going thru this right now with mine. I am buying the LCE double roller conversion kit, which comes with a new water and oil pump, chain, sprockets, and cover for $402. The double roller is of course going to be stronger, but it really depends on how hard you are going to wheel. Both come with steel guides, so that is good. I think I would rather do it once and be done, rather than do it once, then do it again.

 

[bmh]

I don't really see the point in going with the double roller kit for a stock engine. They were designed for high horsepower applications and with a stock engein, even offroading, you won't make enough power to slip a tooth on the cam.

 

[pcampbell]

I agree that double row chains are overkill for almost all 22re motors. 20r motors actually did have double row chains (with metal guides) but Toyota decided to put singles on the later stuff. They also chose to put plastic guides, which is a serious mistake and much more in need of focus than single vs double row. Also, double row chains eat up more power, something a 22re can't afford to lose much of.

Get good metal guides and a good single chain set and you'll be fine. engnbldr can hook you up with everything you need.

 

[bmh]

They also chose to put plastic guides, which is a serious mistake and much more in need of focus than single vs double row.

I don't understand this thought. A chain and guide lasts 200,000 miles and it isn't good enough. The guide is designed to wear, that's why it has tension on it. As it wears, it keeps tension on the chain. If the guides are metal and not wearing, then the next thing to wear on and against is the chain. Would you rather the guide get loose and give you plenty of warning before giving out, or have the chain give out one day with no warning. I don't understand how people get mad that their timing chain guides only lasted 200,000 miles. I replaced my engine at 201000 and the chain and guide could have been reused (if I wanted).

 

[pcampbell]

I'll admit, I've never had plastic guide wear cause a problem for me personally, primarily because I always swapped to metal guides, so I should probably choose less dramatic wording on that statement. I will say that my chains never showed any additional wear due to the metal guides. But, instead of getting into a debate on behalf of those who prefer one over the other, I'll slink back behind the wall eepwall:

Whichever you decide to do, do your homework. There are lots of pretty nasty stories of the plastic guides causing some major catastrophes. I'll leave it at that :sombrero:

 

[toyota_jon]

another 1st gen owner here. read the pirate FAQ, then read it again. Then read the 4Crawler site and then you guessed it read that again too. Every single issue that i've had i found the answer to in one of those two spots.