Old Rovers Too Feeble?

[Plebian]

This thread cracks me up. Most of you people are a bunch of disillusioned dreamers. Get real. Expeditions? Overlanding?? Who here's ever even been on an overland expedition, raise your hand. Have you seen the vehicles people take on real-deal expeditions these days? The idea is the safety and survival of the crew. Just because a 60 year old series truck could theoretically drive across the Arctic doesn't mean it's worth the risk to life and limb. Going on an expedition used to mean you might not make it back, an activity for teams of risk-aware able-bodied men. Around these parts it seems to mean loading up the wife, the kids, the dog, and a trailer full of junk to drive through a state park for a long weekend. The FJ40 is just a bad at that as a Series Rover.

Let's not lose sight of the realities here. This is a forum about glamorized camping. The same activity fathers and sons have enjoyed since the dawn of time with worn out C10s, crappy flannel shirts, and proletariat cookware. I guess trasharoos and titanium sporks make you better at shi**ing in the woods and cooking over a fire than the rest of us.

 

[dorton]

This thread cracks me up. Most of you people are a bunch of disillusioned dreamers. Get real. Expeditions? Overlanding?? Who here's ever even been on an overland expedition, raise your hand. Have you seen the vehicles people take on real-deal expeditions these days? The idea is the safety and survival of the crew. Just because a 60 year old series truck could theoretically drive across the Arctic doesn't mean it's worth the risk to life and limb. Going on an expedition used to mean you might not make it back, an activity for teams of risk-aware able-bodied men. Around these parts it seems to mean loading up the wife, the kids, the dog, and a trailer full of junk to drive through a state park for a long weekend. The FJ40 is just a bad at that as a Series Rover.

Let's not lose sight of the realities here. This is a forum about glamorized camping. The same activity fathers and sons have enjoyed since the dawn of time with worn out C10s, crappy flannel shirts, and proletariat cookware. I guess trasharoos and titanium sporks make you better at shi**ing in the woods and cooking over a fire than the rest of us.

Hahaha. Great post.


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[86tuning]

In 2009 I drove my bone-stock 1984 109 up to the Yukon/NWT and did the Canol Road/trail along with another 109, 2 110's and a 90.

Nice. I hang out with a guy named Mike that did that trip with you. Good stories, especially the one about flopping a truck on its side to do the repairs just because you could....

 

[Antichrist]

Have you seen the vehicles people take on real-deal expeditions these days? The idea is the safety and survival of the crew.

Assuming you're using "expedition" and "overlanding" interchangeably (which I don't) this statement doesn't make a lot of sense. Are you suggesting someone traveling in a 2010 D110 is somehow more safe than, say, Barbara Toy was in her travels? Maybe if being chased by bandits, but otherwise not so much. In fact, there are quite a few situations where a smaller/lighter vehicle would be more safe.

 

[Plebian]

Are you suggesting someone traveling in a 2010 D110 is somehow more safe than, say, Barbara Toy was in her travels?

Take my example of driving across the Arctic. Would you choose a 60 year old series truck for that mission? (Actually, don't answer that, I already know you'll say yes) Personally, I'll take the truck that's less likely to take my time and attention away from my goal. There's a reason the modern arctic expeditions are done in Hiluxes and not '74 Air Portable Land Rovers.

I thought this thread was about "modern exploration." Oh, I'm sorry "Expedition Overlanding".

 

[Antichrist]

For the arctic I doubt I'd take any wheeled vehicle. While I'm sure it could be fun, if we're talking safety a tracked vehicle with a much lower psi footprint would be safer.
Using the arctic as an example is almost like using the D90 crossing of the Bearing Strait as an example. Neither is a particularly typical over"land" journey.

Try a more realistic example of an old Land Rover being unsafe for overland travel, since that was the point of your post.

 

[David Harris]

For the arctic I doubt I'd take any wheeled vehicle. While I'm sure it could be fun, if we're talking safety a tracked vehicle with a much lower psi footprint would be safer.
Using the arctic is almost like using the D90 crossing of the Bearing Strait as an example. Neither is a particularly typical over"land" journey.

Try a more realistic example of an old Land Rover being unsafe for overland travel, since that was the point of your post.

Exactly!

 

[MedicalCowboy]

Take my example of driving across the Arctic. Would you choose a 60 year old series truck for that mission? (Actually, don't answer that, I already know you'll say yes) Personally, I'll take the truck that's less likely to take my time and attention away from my goal. There's a reason the modern arctic expeditions are done in Hiluxes and not '74 Air Portable Land Rovers.

I thought this thread was about "modern exploration." Oh, I'm sorry "Expedition Overlanding".

I think you're getting overlanding and expedition confused or something. One of the main reason you see newer trucks doing arctic expeditions and other journeys is because of the sponsorship. If someone is attempting to do a big journey and has the ability are they going to A. Find an old truck fix it up then hope it makes it or B. Find a company that is looking for a little good media then get sponsored and have an unlimited amount of money to work on and abuse a truck that's not even the owners. Most of the expeditions that we read about today are all sponsored and have had the vehicle donated. I'm rambling now... Lol

 

[Plebian]

Try a more realistic example of an old Land Rover being unsafe for overland travel, since that was the point of your post.

Sort of. That was one weak point of my post that I, frankly, don't care to defend. Mostly it was a post about how arguing over which ancient vehicle is best for "expedition travel" is a waste of time and words. When your "expedition" is a trip to the state park with the wife, kids, and dogs, it doesn't matter how many stupid splines are in your axle.

 

[madmax718]

I'd still prefer if tehre was a way to add abs and dsc to old trucks.

 

[Antichrist]

Sort of. That was one weak point of my post that I, frankly, don't care to defend. Mostly it was a post about how arguing over which ancient vehicle is best for "expedition travel" is a waste of time and words.

No one was really arguing over what was best. They were saying what they might prefer and pointing out the feebleness of the arguments so far on anything other than personal preference grounds. Even you admit your argument was feeble.

 

[Plebian]

Less feeble than a Series Rover...

 

[tacr2man]

If you used a hilux on your artic expedition , then you would need a lot of backup, as they ended up having to do major transmission repairs on the ones that did that particular one IIRC .
Having to risk death doesnt make an "expedition" , its the discovery of the unknown (not undiscovered) to you , and your own life experience or norm being challenged. Its also still quite easy to die , in relatively civilised parts of the world , as quite often occurs, as just recently in Australia , even in modern vehicles as much as feeble old ones. It was quite often the new ones that I had to go and recover with my "old landrover" in the outback . You seem to have a very strong opinion , experience based ? or maybe a bit of trolling ?

 

[meatblanket]

Sort of. That was one weak point of my post that I, frankly, don't care to defend. Mostly it was a post about how arguing over which ancient vehicle is best for "expedition travel" is a waste of time and words. When your "expedition" is a trip to the state park with the wife, kids, and dogs, it doesn't matter how many stupid splines are in your axle.

I beg to differ. Even if you're just on a trip to the state park with the wife, kids, and dogs, getting stranded is a bummer. Breaking down and getting stranded on the shoulder of an Interstate highway, for example, can be pretty damn dangerous. Possibly even more dangerous than breaking down in the middle of nowhere with a cooler full of beer!

 

[I Leak Oil]

I'd never take a series to the arctic. The heaters are too feeble....
I think someones been watching too much Topgear!