Old Rovers Too Feeble?
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UK4X4
Expedition Leader
when the LR series was first produced- the UK did'nt even have a motorway the first was started in 1959-finished 68-ish
It was built when most people still used horses carriages and trams.......
55-60mph was fast in those days
Most UK roads - you can't drive faster than that anyway as there too curvey....
Do they sit well today as an expo vehicle- probably not- just due to the speed- and todays pile of crap we seemingly need to bring with us.
Step up in years The defender pretty happily cruises at 70 and can keep up with the traffic
The Fj40 like many early Japanese vehicles was a copy with added improvements even the engine was based on the TR6 triumph engine
Todays fast straight roads means the cars of yesteryear simply don't keep up
Off road they still hold their own
Comments like --ooh oh it only has 10 spline axles.......what does it weigh when compared to todays trucks ? probably 1/2 the weight
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It was built when most people still used horses carriages and trams.......
55-60mph was fast in those days
Most UK roads - you can't drive faster than that anyway as there too curvey....
Do they sit well today as an expo vehicle- probably not- just due to the speed- and todays pile of crap we seemingly need to bring with us.
Step up in years The defender pretty happily cruises at 70 and can keep up with the traffic
The Fj40 like many early Japanese vehicles was a copy with added improvements even the engine was based on the TR6 triumph engine
Todays fast straight roads means the cars of yesteryear simply don't keep up
Off road they still hold their own
Comments like --ooh oh it only has 10 spline axles.......what does it weigh when compared to todays trucks ? probably 1/2 the weight
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Kaisen
Explorer
My vote for the best post here, ever
Viggen
Just here...
What? Its based on a Triumph motor? No, its based on the old stovebolt Chevy motor. Why would Toyota pick a TR motor?
tacr2man
Adventurer
I think what has changed over the years is the amount that "expedition vehicles" seem to have to be modified to actually go on an expedition , and the way the word "expedition" has become degraded to what would have been considered a bit of a drive back then . I helped a friend modify a series 3 109 back in 72 to drive overland to Australia from UK . We put windows in one side at rear , and built a sleeping platform from plywood in the back. Two jerrycan holders on front , and a roof rack with an extra spare wheel. He took a few spares , and four months later arrived in OZ , having had one puncture ! Now its virtual re engineer the whole vehicle. and thats just to go for a drive up a fire trail , makes you wonder how "feeble" the old vehicles were ?
LR Max
Local Oaf
Saturday I took my "feeble" 73 109 on a 170 miles afternoon jaunt. Truck did just fine. No issues. Had to stop once to gas up (didn't really have much fuel in it to begin with) and once to light a cigar. Otherwise, just cruised.
It was a nice day out. Had the door tops off and just cruised. Wasn't the fasted thing out there but I was keeping a 60 mph (GPS indicated) pace.
Before I jumped in it, I checked it over. Truck had been sitting for a month so I have no idea what its situation was. Spent 30 minutes giving it a once over, checking it. Tires needed air and needed to top up the transfer case but other than that, it was good.
It was a nice day out. Had the door tops off and just cruised. Wasn't the fasted thing out there but I was keeping a 60 mph (GPS indicated) pace.
Before I jumped in it, I checked it over. Truck had been sitting for a month so I have no idea what its situation was. Spent 30 minutes giving it a once over, checking it. Tires needed air and needed to top up the transfer case but other than that, it was good.
Agreed. And PBR has been steadily rising in NYC- heck, nobody even heard of it here a few years back. Now its the "hip" "Im not pretentious" beer. Still cost you $4.00-6.00, which is ludicrous.
David Harris
Expedition Leader
This has turned into a pretty interesting and thought provoking thread!
no-pistons
Adventurer
Haha +1! Not only does that guy have the most informative posts in the LR forum, but most entertaining too!
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no-pistons
Adventurer
Makes no sense since it tastes like water too! Not much comes close to the beers from Stone Brewing on many levels! Great to live in San Diego. ;-)
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toylandcruiser
Expedition Leader
And the land rover is a copy of the jeep. So whats your point? Just like anything the Japanese did was copy it and improve it making it a better vehicle than the original.
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toylandcruiser
Expedition Leader
For a relative noob......
Define 'old school over-landing'
Define 'new style over-landing'
Define 'off-roading'
Which have you done?
For me 'old school over-landing' is the classical romantic version we like to see. The 'got a job to do' and 'got to get all this crap there'. My mind recalls and centers on a mix of images from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and Camel Trophies with a touch of Indian Jones thrown in. Obviously I've never done it.
'New style over-landing' for me would be mostly vehicle-based camping with the added facet of non-formal or non-campground. It has a dimension of exploring or sight-seeing built in. The goal is to see, and stay in, places few ever do. It also encompasses the travel to get there, however the obstacles are not focus - they are a impediment to reaching the goal.
'Off-roading' places the emphasis on the driving challenges, not on the sight-seeing or environmental experience.
Define 'old school over-landing'
Define 'new style over-landing'
Define 'off-roading'
Which have you done?
For me 'old school over-landing' is the classical romantic version we like to see. The 'got a job to do' and 'got to get all this crap there'. My mind recalls and centers on a mix of images from Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and Camel Trophies with a touch of Indian Jones thrown in. Obviously I've never done it.
'New style over-landing' for me would be mostly vehicle-based camping with the added facet of non-formal or non-campground. It has a dimension of exploring or sight-seeing built in. The goal is to see, and stay in, places few ever do. It also encompasses the travel to get there, however the obstacles are not focus - they are a impediment to reaching the goal.
'Off-roading' places the emphasis on the driving challenges, not on the sight-seeing or environmental experience.
Viggen
Just here...
Except the 2F isnt a TR piece of garbage boat anchor.