opinions on my series build.

[Alaska Mike]

The Rover axles are pretty good for what they are. That said, you might look at your future goals and do a little math based on your own fabrication skills. If you are planning on doing a re-gear (or 3rd member change), axle shaft swap, and possibly disc brakes, the Toyota axles start looking really economical. Just food for thought.

For now, just focus on the engine and transmission, getting the vehicle running reliably under its own power. Then you can start looking at various axle options. As I've found, a rolling project is a lot easier to stay motivated about than a non-rolling project, especially if you don't have a lot of extra money and time.

 

[killahaas@gmail.com]

well if i did exactly what toy-rover did the toyota axles are probably around the same price i would think. e locker toyota axles or non elock toyota axles for that matter. than i need a high steer kit, than i need to do fabrication work(least of my worries) than drive shafts i would think it would be around the same cost. but either way, that is the plan right now is to get the 2.25 running nice so i can sell it. and throw a 200 tdi into it.
Dylan

 

[Alaska Mike]

Let me put it this way:
Price out a front disc brake kit, custom axle shafts, and Toyota 3rd members (with all of the related fabrication), and compare that to the cost of a set of Toyota axles with all of those parts already installed (plus the few extra parts you'd need and fabrication).

For example (not the only options out there, but a good baseline)-
- Rovers North Land Rover front axle disc brake conversion: $2000 plus shipping.
- From Mercedesrover, two 30-spline rear axle shafts with integral drive flanges, two complete 30/24-spline front axle shafts including inner two Precision brand 371 universal joints (not installed for shipping): $2050.00 plus shipping
- Third members will vary in price based on options, but factor in any gearing changes (to support the diesel) and fabrication.

Before you know it, you're well over $5K into the axles alone, and you have components that are not off-the-shelf.

Also, you might consider at least a Series III transmission while you're swapping in that TDI.

 

[killahaas@gmail.com]

well i would be going with the ROAM offroad disc brake conversion and its 1500$ for the front and i would also be going 24 spline axles now 30 spline toyo axles and its 2000$ for all four axles and i can get a disco 3rd member around 200 a piece. still not cheap but a little better. and i am thinking about putting a LT77 there eventually.

 

[Alaska Mike]

The ROAM conversion still costs right at $2000 after you add the extra parts (see the required parts list).

 

[frans]

This talk about the cost of these conversions is great advice and should be carefully thought about. I went with toyota axles because they are a real good product and parts are readily available.

 

[Toy-Roverlander]

Nice! what are those, Hilux axles?

When considering what axlex to use, I can only give one advice: compare cost! Of everything! Toy axles will give you disc brakes (at the back as well on some models, or aftermarket), 4.1 gears, stronger shafts and diffs.. Upgrading Rover axles doesn't come cheap.
But don't think for a second that locked 80Series Cruiser axles are cheap... they're not! They're sought after, so expensive! High-steer for those axles is expensive as well. I paid, IIRC $850 (+450shipping to the netherlands!) for my highsteer kit. There are others available though, like the one from Slee offroad. But I dont think that one will work with leafsprings.
I've got about €3000 invested in my axles, that includes purchase price, refurbing them (seals, king pin bearings, brakes) and the high-steer kit. Thats for locked axles. But they're the strongest LC axles with huge brakes, so well worth it.


I'm not going to suggest on a drivetrain as that depends on what's available locally to you.

 

[Nonimouse]

Depends how you do it - you can swap out the 200 Tdi flywheel cover and swap in a 2.5NAD

Couple of studs need to be removed and a couple of holes drilled - but for accuracy sake and to ease my aching head go here: http://ollr.createaforum.com/index.php

They may speak funny but they are actually very, very clever

 

[blue bomber]

Less theory more practice.... Upgraded
Rover types with roam discs are worth the effort and money.




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[Alaska Mike]

I've seen the ROAM discs, and they are very nice.

That said, once you start replacing everything except the housing on both axles, you need to assess if a complete axle transplant might be the better way to go. If he was starting with a Salisbury and only had the front axle to do, it might make more sense to stick with the Rover axles and modify little by little. Since he is looking at dumping significant money into the axles already, every option needs to be considered.

 

[I Leak Oil]

No doubt you can spend alot of money beefing up the standard rover axle. If you can't weld or don't have facilities to do it or can't be down (daily driver?) then it's worth it to someone to spend it.

One other thing to consider in the cost of an axle swap is the potential cost of wheels. Personally I think alloy 'yota wheels look pretty stupid on a series rover. Add 5 steelies to the list of needs.

Add a 4 pin diff or locker to help the rover carrier, 24 spline shafts and disc brakes and it's relatively short money to get a decent rover axle. Used parts do come up time to time so you don't HAVE to buy new.

 

[blue bomber]

No doubt you can spend alot of money beefing up the standard rover axle. If you can't weld or don't have facilities to do it or can't be down (daily driver?) then it's worth it to someone to spend it.

One other thing to consider in the cost of an axle swap is the potential cost of wheels. Personally I think alloy 'yota wheels look pretty stupid on a series rover. Add 5 steelies to the list of needs.

Add a 4 pin diff or locker to help the rover carrier, 24 spline shafts and disc brakes and it's relatively short money to get a decent rover axle. Used parts do come up time to time so you don't HAVE to buy new.

Correct,correct and correct.




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[blue bomber]

If you cannot help yourself and have to change axles. Use American axles. Stronger more available and not a Toyota part. I have a pair of one tons for a future 109 project . I have seen the toyroverlanders rig on pirate and I'm impressed with the work. The concept and execution are excellent . Toyota running gear is not an option for me.
I don't think any of this"advise"is helping the original author of this thread. We are just adding to his confusion.



I'm building a 14 bolt for a buddy with an air locker. Mongo want for Mongo's own 14 bolt. The thing is a beast, I can't wait to build one for myself. I'm not a Toyota hater, I have had a few, fj55,60 and 62. It just can't bring myself to use their parts in rovers .Besides the one tons are substantially more impressive.
A Friend of mine that's into Toyotas said this about his ride. Toyota tough with Chevy stuff.


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[Alaska Mike]

I was actually thinking custom Ford 9" axles could be an option as well, as they are an often modified axle that is a versatile platform. Haven't seen them under a Rover yet, though.

I was thinking pre-'86 Toyota mini truck axles, rather than the 80 series ones, simply because they can be sourced cheaply and have stock disc brakes on the front. Gearing options are numerous, as are sources for replacement and improvement parts.

Like I said, the main thing is to get the Rover rolling under its own power with whatever engine/transmission combo the OP wants to go with. From there, the needs of the engine might help dictate the form the axles take.

 

[Toy-Roverlander]

If you cannot help yourself and have to change axles. Use American axles. Stronger more available and not a Toyota part. I have a pair of one tons for a future 109 project . I have seen the toyroverlanders rig on pirate and I'm impressed with the work. The concept and execution are excellent . Toyota running gear is not an option for me.
I don't think any of this"advise"is helping the original author of this thread. We are just adding to his confusion.

I'm building a 14 bolt for a buddy with an air locker. Mongo want for Mongo's own 14 bolt. The thing is a beast, I can't wait to build one for myself. I'm not a Toyota hater, I have had a few, fj55,60 and 62. It just can't bring myself to use their parts in rovers .Besides the one tons are substantially more impressive.
A Friend of mine that's into Toyotas said this about his ride. Toyota tough with Chevy stuff.


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Thanks for the compliments!
I wouldn't have mind to have D60's, or a 14bolt rear and D60 front axle, it's just that over here they are less common (what I'm aware of), and parts are not as cheap as in the US. Yota stuff is more readily available over here. Availability is another matter of consideration when choosing axles. It would be stupid to try and use some Russian truck axles for instance..