(partially) new Tundra coming?

phsycle

Adventurer
There is a demand, not as much as it is in truck segment but there is some. This s why this year Ford will add a new RV trim for their vans. The package includes rotating seats, AWD, double battery and HD wiring etc.
Ford did this due to the increase demand on the vans and those specific options. I think the market it grew 22%. They really were surprised how much it grew.
The millennials are leading the charge, apparently. I am one of them and will buy one soon-ish.

There is always “some” demand in every niche category. Ford at least has some van sales volume to justify a relatively inexpensive set of options for a vehicle they already produce. But we’re talking Toyota here. They do not have a full-size van. Their truck sales are puny compared to Ford’s. Doesn’t make much sense here.

For the record, I’d be happy if they did build one. I’d also be happy with a 70-series here in the states. Or a real re-up of the FJ40.
 
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That is what Toyota does, above all else. I mean, when have they not?

On the tank I am not hopeful. I've never understood why every modern full size truck does not have a factory option for twin tanks or at least 50 gallons. Do OEM's not yet know what we use trucks for? There is room under every one of em.



Lol... The more fuel you carry they less cargo you can carry. Most 1/2 tons don't have enough payload to spare to carry extra fuel.

FWIW: In 25 years of truck ownership I have yet to need a larger tank than what the trucks I have owned came with.
 

86scotty

Cynic
Lol... The more fuel you carry they less cargo you can carry. Most 1/2 tons don't have enough payload to spare to carry extra fuel.

FWIW: In 25 years of truck ownership I have yet to need a larger tank than what the trucks I have owned came with.

That's you. I want more fuel in every vehicle I own. I put a 46 gallon TF in my Tundra and it's good now for me. If you overland in the desert you'll start to see the need for more fuel. There is one station within about 100 miles of anything in Death Valley. Fuel was north of $5/gallon years ago when I was there last compared to $2/gallon over in Vegas then.
 
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That's you. I want more fuel in every vehicle I own. I put a 46 gallon TF in my Tundra and it's good now for me. If you overland in the desert you'll start to see the need for more fuel. There is one station within about 100 miles of anything in Death Valley. Fuel was north of $5/gallon years ago when I was there last compared to $2/gallon over in Vegas then.


There are far more truck owners like me than like you....not trying to be a jerk, just saying. The Tundra already has a mid size truck payload rating... Adding more fuel drops it to a mini truck payload rating...haha.

Also, I have been camping all over New Mexico, West Texas, and Southern Colorado and never once needed a larger tank.
 
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86scotty

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You don't think they'll keep 38 gal? Don't think they'd go backwards... unless the mpgs improve a lot.

I think I have enough room for 150 gal under my truck... ginormous amounts of empty space under there....

I heard that Toyota already dropped the 38 gallon from the Tundra, in fact I heard that a couple years ago but I do not know for sure. Someone here will surely correct me in the next 3 minutes.
 

86scotty

Cynic
There are far more truck owners like me than like you....not trying to be a jerk, just saying. The Tundra already has a mid size truck payload rating... Adding more fuel drops it to a mini truck payload rating...haha.

Also, I have been camping all over New Mexico, West Texas, and Southern Colorado and never once needed a larger tank.

Interesting statement. I'm not trying to be a jerk either but just how many of the 3 million or so pick up truck owners in America have you polled on this?

I'm also not trying to be a jerk about this either but I could care less about payload. I didn't buy a truck for payload. Never have. I don't haul that much with one. I did buy a 3/4 ton Chevy crew to pull a camper I had but of the close to 200 vehicles I've owned payload may have come in to the occasion once or twice. I like my Tundra. Don't care about the pissing contest with you relentless F150 fans, I just like my truck.
 

Watt maker

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What happened to your Ecoboost that it straight up broke down? They have their problems but not to the point of leaving people on the side of the road typically.

First trip out of town with it (actually about half way back, 250ish miles to go) the left tank of the intercooler blew partially off. This was at about 5k miles on the truck. We limped it into the nearest ford dealership but they were booked for a couple weeks. So I “fixed“ it the best I could and we limped it home. By the time we got home, it was blowing a lot of oil out, the left turbo was toast. Warranty covered everything.

Next, had a bad misfire. One coil pack was bad.

A few thousand miles later, another bad misfire. Thought it was another coil pack but it turned out one of the spark plugs was missing the ceramic and part of the electrode. Ford graciously replaced the one plug but wouldn’t warranty the rest. They also couldn’t find or say where the rest of the plug went. They also reflashed the ecm. It never had the same punch or mpg after that visit.

A little while after that, had to get the front hubs replaced along with the vacuum solenoid so the 4 wheel drive would actually engage. It still only worked when it wanted.

At about 35k miles the real fun would begin. The truck would lose electrical power when driving (dash, radio, hvac, and gas pedal would go dead) but the truck would stay running. Sometimes it would come back with a restart, sometimes it wouldn’t. This would involve several trips to the dealership and several tows and a bunch of replacement parts. Totally sporadic but loved to pull this crap going to work. They actually strongly suggested I find another vehicle to drive. During all this fun, I had what I’m guessing was a bunch of condensation buildup in the intercooler and was ingested by the engine on the highway. It coughed and sputtered, blew a bunch of smoke out then cleared up. Soon after, I started noticing an engine knock, especially when cold and the power and mpg were way down. Ford stated they couldn’t really do much because there was no check engine light on but acknowledged the knock. If I wanted to pay the labor they would investigate, lol.

I had enough and traded it at 45k miles and not quite 2 years old for a new 4runner. I know I had a lemon but just didn’t have the time or the resources to fight that fight. I know some folks that have had zero issues with their ecoboost trucks but I also know some that have had similar issues.
 

Watt maker

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I heard that Toyota already dropped the 38 gallon from the Tundra, in fact I heard that a couple years ago but I do not know for sure. Someone here will surely correct me in the next 3 minutes.

They still offer it. Part of a package. Some of the stripped down base model trucks have the small fuel tank.
 

skrypj

Well-known member
First trip out of town with it (actually about half way back, 250ish miles to go) the left tank of the intercooler blew partially off. This was at about 5k miles on the truck. We limped it into the nearest ford dealership but they were booked for a couple weeks. So I “fixed“ it the best I could and we limped it home. By the time we got home, it was blowing a lot of oil out, the left turbo was toast. Warranty covered everything.

Next, had a bad misfire. One coil pack was bad.

A few thousand miles later, another bad misfire. Thought it was another coil pack but it turned out one of the spark plugs was missing the ceramic and part of the electrode. Ford graciously replaced the one plug but wouldn’t warranty the rest. They also couldn’t find or say where the rest of the plug went. They also reflashed the ecm. It never had the same punch or mpg after that visit.

A little while after that, had to get the front hubs replaced along with the vacuum solenoid so the 4 wheel drive would actually engage. It still only worked when it wanted.

At about 35k miles the real fun would begin. The truck would lose electrical power when driving (dash, radio, hvac, and gas pedal would go dead) but the truck would stay running. Sometimes it would come back with a restart, sometimes it wouldn’t. This would involve several trips to the dealership and several tows and a bunch of replacement parts. Totally sporadic but loved to pull this crap going to work. They actually strongly suggested I find another vehicle to drive. During all this fun, I had what I’m guessing was a bunch of condensation buildup in the intercooler and was ingested by the engine on the highway. It coughed and sputtered, blew a bunch of smoke out then cleared up. Soon after, I started noticing an engine knock, especially when cold and the power and mpg were way down. Ford stated they couldn’t really do much because there was no check engine light on but acknowledged the knock. If I wanted to pay the labor they would investigate, lol.

I had enough and traded it at 45k miles and not quite 2 years old for a new 4runner. I know I had a lemon but just didn’t have the time or the resources to fight that fight. I know some folks that have had zero issues with their ecoboost trucks but I also know some that have had similar issues.

Yeah some of that does sound typical. Especially of the earlier years. The condensate issue was a thing and they went as far as redesigning the intercooler and changing the pcv valve so that less condensate came out of the crank case to try to fix it.

My 2014 came with all that from the factory and i never had the condensation issues but others definitely did.

Im just crossing my fingers i dont ever have to deal with the stretched timing chain.
 
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Yeah some of that does sound typical. Especially of the earlier years. The condensate issue was a thing and they went as far as redesigning the intercooler and changing the pcv valve so that less condensate came out of the crank case to try to fix it.

My 2014 came with all that from the factory and i never had the condensation issues but others definitely did.

Im just crossing my fingers i dont ever have to deal with the stretched timing chain.


What I have found funny is people fixed the condensation issue with a 1/16" drill bit...lol. The intercooler on the 1st gen trucks was a poor design that allowed condensation to collect, interestingly it didn't happen to those of us who generously applied the right peddle from time to time.
 

Watt maker

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Yeah some of that does sound typical. Especially of the earlier years. The condensate issue was a thing and they went as far as redesigning the intercooler and changing the pcv valve so that less condensate came out of the crank case to try to fix it.

My 2014 came with all that from the factory and i never had the condensation issues but others definitely did.

Im just crossing my fingers i dont ever have to deal with the stretched timing chain.

If you keep the oil fresh and your truck doesn’t develop a fuel dilution problem like mine did, you should be golden.
 

skrypj

Well-known member
There is a demand, not as much as it is in truck segment but there is some. This s why this year Ford will add a new RV trim for their vans. The package includes rotating seats, AWD, double battery and HD wiring etc.
Ford did this due to the increase demand on the vans and those specific options. I think the market it grew 22%. They really were surprised how much it grew.
The millennials are leading the charge, apparently. I am one of them and will buy one soon-ish.



Ford Transit AWD is very similar to what's in the Ford Escape and other Ford SUVs. There is no low gear but it can do surprisingly well with good tires.
As for the Sprinter, while technically it's got better 4WD system than Transit is ridiculously expansive and their diesel engine is far from relabel

I was a truck guy and wanted to get a new Tundra or F250 but It's much easier for me get a AWD/4DW van since it better suits my hobbies and activities which varies from upland hunting and driving around in rural America.
As much as I like trucks It's very easy to pull over a van and stay over night in almost every small town that going to a Walmart and pull up your roof tent and field toilet. Last year I saw a couple in Tacoma chased out form a parking lot after they started putting up their roof tent. They were so tired they had to seep in the car.
I know a van will always be behind trucks in terms of offroading, charm and charisma.

Toyota has got a huge infrastructure, a cult following and fan base. They won't have a trouble selling something a bit bigger than VW van with good payload and actual an 4X4 with A-Trac system.
This would allow us to tackle the BLM roads and such.

The Euro market is full with those awd/4wd vans, why not in the US?

Yes, Nissan NV is a great rig, ugly but very HD. They didn't make it a factory 4x4 unlike the Titan, which shares the parts with the NV. So this discouraged people to get an NV and than convert it, even though there is a Nissan authorized dealer in Utah that does the conversions. It's physiological moment, people don't want to go through some things that could have been done in the factory.
I am seriously considering a low mile NV.

For the disclaimer I am not a van lifer nor I am involved in some other hipster abominations. I still love trucks.

I am from Utah and i actually see a ton of the 4x4 NV’s around. I bet i see one every camping trip.
 

skrypj

Well-known member
Interesting statement. I'm not trying to be a jerk either but just how many of the 3 million or so pick up truck owners in America have you polled on this?

I'm also not trying to be a jerk about this either but I could care less about payload. I didn't buy a truck for payload. Never have. I don't haul that much with one. I did buy a 3/4 ton Chevy crew to pull a camper I had but of the close to 200 vehicles I've owned payload may have come in to the occasion once or twice. I like my Tundra. Don't care about the pissing contest with you relentless F150 fans, I just like my truck.

You dont need the payload or you dont care if you exceed it?

You put 4 people, maybe a dog or two, and some camping gear in a Tundra and I bet you are exceeding payload. Its not about a pissing match, most people need more than 1200 lbs unless they just dont care.

And a lot of people dont care. I see Tundras pulling 5th wheel campers somewhat frequently and they are well beyond their capacity.
 

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