Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

Martyn

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
I don't know if this is going to be helpful or not, but this is what I leant during my experience.

When we have a traumatic or life threatening event occur to us our brains go into the fight or flight mode. When this occurs the events do not get processed by our brains in a regular manner, and are stored without being analyzed.

The flash backs and nightmares are a result of the memories resurfacing because our brains are trying to make sense of them.

The EMDR therapy allows the events to be revisited in a safe setting and the memories processes in a "normal" way and catalogued by the brain.

For me the beneficial results were immediate.

I think the depression was caused by me constantly doubting myself, and not understanding the new fears and flash backs.

It's a very hard thing to deal with by yourself, or even with loving family and friends. Find a good therapist you like and trust.
 

ExpoMike

Well-known member
I just want to add my best wishes and prayers to everyone. It is really hard to let out feelings in a public forum and you all should be commended for being able to do so.

Myself had what I call my "awakining" and I turned my life around 180* from a very negative, distructive, angry life to a very open, loving, positive, happy life and I can never let myself fall back into my old ways. To share a few things I have learned, which have helped me greatly is,

Peace and love must come from within. If you cannot love yourself for who you are or find inner peace, you will not get this from any outside source. Other people and possessions only mask feelings and will fade quickly. Reflect on who you want to be and work everyday on becoming that person.

There are many things you cannot control in your life. What you can control is how you react to any given situation. If you react with a positive attitude, even if the situation does not turn out positive, you will overcome and move beyond it much easier then if filled with negativity.

Focus on positive things and positive things will be attraced to you. I would have never believed this until I lived it and it truly is amazing when you step back and see it work.

I hope everyone can find their inner peace, happiness and love and sometimes they will come when you are least expecting it. How about a group hug? :D
 

awalter

Expedition Portal Team, Overland Certified OC0003
This thread is reality at is best/worst, I've shed more than a few tears reading thru it.

My hat is off to the guys & gals that do their jobs & endure the grief & stress that comes with it. Please don't shut yourselves off from letting it go or seeking help.I wish my tears could relieve some of the grief & stress you put up with.

Thank you all (military, EMT's, first responders, SAR's, Fire, police, etc) for your sacrifce & Godspeed.
 
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Rexsname

Explorer
SWR,

Thank you for your time and concern, When I was origianally (sp) diagnosed with PTSD the doctor prescribed an series of different meds. I think I remember something about selective seratonin uptake inhibitors. I got started on pill 1 that seemed to have some effect but came with side effect A. Then He tried pill 2 that came with side effect B. Then pill 3 which took care of side effects A and B, but started side effect C. After a while I ran out of insurance coverage and despite dire warnings about quitting "cold turkey" I ran out of pills and money at about the same time. By this time I was "out" of the Sheriffs Office and the Jail assignment. My wife pulled me up out of this horrible time and helped me find happiness again.

Fast forward to present day.............. My wife is now in custody at the same Jail that I was assigned to and I went to visit with her last week.
I had the same headache, nausea and some very intense flashbacks on the drive over to see her. I have not slept well in about three weeks and am scared to death of using sleep aids more than once or twice a week.

I went to the county health department today to get an appointment to see a doctor and hopefully get a referral to speak with a mental health professional sometime soon. I never felt like myself when I was on the psych meds, I felt like my "cure" was getting away from the stressor (Jail) and being with my wife. Now, I find myself in the position of having to go back to the stressor to visit with my cure.

I hope that the mental health professional is not a person that wants only to throw pills at the problem, I really hated the way they made me feel.

Thanks again for your concern, I re-read that line and it sounds so trite and cliche but I reall do thank you.

REX
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
Rex,
Keep my numbers handy and use them if you need to talk. I don't care what time of day or night. If Del saw this I'd venture he'd say the same thing. Call collect if you need to, I can stand it.
BTW, that lump on my hand from the richocet is almost gone!

Kellymoe,
Thank you for starting this topic. It is my hope that your act of bravery keeps helping people.

Scott et.al.,
Thank you for creating a forum where this sort of topic is not just OK, but welcome and therapeutic.

To anyone who is reading this thread and thinking that they're seeing bits of themselves in the posts, say something. Please.
For me, any thing that is difficult to do gets easier the more I do it.
 

Tucson T4R

Expedition Leader
Your not alone

I have battled genetically induced depression since my late 30s. I have tried just about every med on the market with mixed results. Most of the SSRIs helped with the depression but had undesirable sexual side effects for me that were depressing in themselves. :elkgrin:

Currently I am not taking any medication and actually am feeling better emotionally than I have for years.

A major help for me was finding a good therapist or "life coach". She was very good at helping me to understand my triggers and developing ways to manage down the impact to me personally. A very interesting tool to better understand yourself and how to keep your boat afloat is the Enneagram personality test. http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ By taking this test and reviewing the results with an Enneagram certified therapist, you will gain amazing insight into who you are and how you relate to the world around you.

Another key to my improvement has been to get good sleep and daily exercise. Without both good sleep and exercise, the door opens wide for the depression to creep back in.

Just as your mind looks for an outside cause of panic (fight or flight), it's easy for your mind to look for outside sources to blame your depression on. This can lead to you blaming your depression on your job, spouse, dog, whatever. That can just amplify the problem by damaging the important relationships around you that are your true support system.

Bottom line, reach out to your friends and family find a good therapist to help you understand your personal situation and teach you the coping tools to minimize your depression.

You are not alone and many of us have this challenge in our lives we need to manage. Don't try to be tough, reach out for help. You'll be amazing at how much it can help.
 
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BigAl

Expedition Leader
I told my doctor at my last visit that I thought my job was bad for me b/c I sit at a desk all day and get no activity. My weight is up, blood pressure up. What he told came clear out of left field and totally threw me. Something I never even considered for some reason. He said "find a new job". I haven't done it yet, but I have made some other lifestyle changes. I bet fire/emt is a lifestryle as well as a job, so it would be hard to give up, but maybe you should start looking.
 

kellymoe

Expedition Leader
BigAl said:
I told my doctor at my last visit that I thought my job was bad for me b/c I sit at a desk all day and get no activity. My weight is up, blood pressure up. What he told came clear out of left field and totally threw me. Something I never even considered for some reason. He said "find a new job". I haven't done it yet, but I have made some other lifestyle changes. I bet fire/emt is a lifestryle as well as a job, so it would be hard to give up, but maybe you should start looking.

I made a decision a few years ago to stop riding the paramedic rescue. That decision was made before all the crap started happening. I now ride the truck and respond mostly to fires and accidents but we still get our fair share of medical calls. I dont think I could give up being a fireman. I look forward to going to work everyday and everyday brings new challenges. Roof operations can be very stress inducing but its a good stress. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJPt_1VAUVg
This is a Youtube compilation of LAFD roof operations. It's why I work for the LAFD, no other department in the country is as aggressive on the roof. That is the kind of stress I can handle. It's the medical calls involving kids that I think really broke me. Those are the calls I still dream about and have flashbacks about 15 years later or more.
 

UK4X4

Expedition Leader
Sad to hear your stories, it seems depression and its ilk affects a lot of us.

My father suffered from it for years, treatment then was still electroshock therapy....needless to say it did'nt work and he's still the same.

I've personnally struggled hard to not follow in his footsteps, running away from issues rather than dealing with them...hence my travelling....
and a pretty large drinking problem that I'm trying to fight

I hope you all get the help you need and in a timely fashion, its no fun for either you or your loved ones..

Please note sometimes these things are brought on by unseen issues.....

A few years back I started to get angry and short tempered, my girlfriend at the time was highly observant and noted three issues.

1 I don't sleep well during the week of full moon.....not exactly something I could change..

2 drinking even 1 beer made me irratable, where wine and rum did not...

3 Florescent lights and computer screens make me grumpy too....something to do with the non visable flickering at two diferent frequencies.

She noted that my days fiddling in the workshop I was fine, the days doing CAD work I was bad, we looked up possible issues on the net

I changed to a halogen work lamp and disconnected the flourescents in my office and swapped to an LCD screen...........and my laid back character returned.
 

jh504

Explorer
UK4X4 said:
She noted that my days fiddling in the workshop I was fine, the days doing CAD work I was bad, we looked up possible issues on the net

I changed to a halogen work lamp and disconnected the flourescents in my office and swapped to an LCD screen...........and my laid back character returned.

This is not really related to my PTSD issue, but before bcoming an EMT, I worked as a draftsman with AutoCAD, and the days I spent behind the computer I always ended up with a migraine and in a horrible mood.
 

Rexsname

Explorer
Todays update

I went to see the Doctor today, he was not able to give me a referral to a mental health professional but did give me the number to the local 'Guidence Clinic'. He thought that if I were lucky they might be able to see me in two or three months (!). He gave me a Rx for generic Ambien to help with the sleep issue and made an appointment for a physical in June. His primary concern seemed to be that of suicide and, while I have had thoughts, I assured him that I could never to something that selfish to Carrie, my wife.

I was also able to speak to Carrie today on the phone and that imporved my mood quite a bit. I'll also drive over to see her tomorrow for a visit.

A number of things are going on on the legal front that are providing me with even more stress. I dont know how much more I can take without cracking.

Thanks everyone for your continued thoughts and prayers,

REX
 

vengeful

Explorer
My thoughts and experience...

Warning: Novella ensues.

I've been following this thread closely. While I can't relate to most of your experiences, I, too, have felt the cruel slap of PTSD/Depression. It's not a subject that should be taken lightly at all. Before I relate my own story, I would like to touch on some of the posts already here in the thread...

Scott & ExPo Crew: Thank you all, so much, for creating this forum. I feel that we, as a whole, have grown to much more than a gathering of posters sharing a common interest, as practically all web-forums are. We've, partly because of this thread, partly because of TerriAnn's Apology thread, and many others along the way, become more of a close-knit community of friends (if not--dare I say it--a family), who just happen to all share a common interest. Thank you all, again, for creating a forum where discussions such as this can take place, in a peaceful, respectful, and mind-opening way. A Forum where people can come with their personal problems, and not feel ashamed to admit that they need help. A place where members can tell it like it is, without being brash or crude. ExPo has become a permanent fixture in my browser, and I, for one, am happy to see it expanding as well as it is. Keep up the good work, guys!

Rex: I can't claim to know what you're going through right now, because I don't. I can't claim to know how you're feeling, because I don't. What I do know (at least from what I've read of your posts here on ExPo) is that you are a strong-willed, ambitious and creative person, and it's going to take a lot more than a few set-backs to break you. Being the strong person that you are, I'm glad to see you being pro-active and seeking professional help for your issues. They're not something to be taken lightly, or brushed-off to the back burner, or "John Wayne'd" away. Please continue to seek guidance through these dark times. You'll come away from this chapter in your book with a new outlook. Keep your head up, bud, things always work out the way they're supposed to!

Brad (Tucson T4R): Genetically induced Depression is a major fear of mine. My Mother, her two siblings, and both of her parents have suffered from this for as long as I can remember. I haven't gotten to the point in my life where it has taken a strong-hold on me yet, but I feel that it's coming. I've battled depression before, but it was always event triggered. Thanks for your suggestions regarding the Enneagram test. I've taken one in the past, and it helped one of my counselors understand me, and helped me understand myself. It's a great tool to have! Keep doing what you're doing.

kellymoe: First of all, thank you for what you do. If it weren't for the courage of people like you, the world would be a very frightening place to live (as if it's not already...). The loss of someone close to you is never an easy thing to deal with. A quote that I think you'll find helpful:

"People today are too focused on making a damn dollar, when they should be more focused on making a damn difference!" - Fr. Abbot Aidan Shea, OSB, St. Anselm's Abbey, Washington, D.C. - This was delivered as part of my High School graduation ceremony from St. Anselm's Abbey School. Attending an Abbey school really shaped me, and this quote in particular has stuck with me forever.

You and your FF brethren are on the right side of that quote. You guys make a difference every day. Thank you. I know it can be hard if not completely impossible to deal with the after-effects, I've been there myself (I'll touch on that soon). You guys help so many people, and we are all forever indebted to you and your brethren--though we hope we never have to need your help.

To everyone else that I haven't addressed individually: Don't take this as an affront to what you're dealing with, I don't mean it as such. Everyone's issues, no matter how minor they may seem in the grand scheme, can be incapacitating, and utterly catastrophic to your day-to-day life, relationships, and personality. Take this thread to heart, I know I have. If you're not feeling like yourself, maybe it's time to make a change. If you feel like your job is no good for you, take BigAl's doctors advice, get a new one. It's never too late to make a change for the better!! If you haven't read it, I highly recommend reading The Freedom Writers Diary. It's a great example of the difference that one motivated person can make! Don't sit idly by while the world goes by and leaves you in its dust. This will only make things worse. You need to be pro-active. The first step to recovery is self-awareness. Only you know what you're really feeling/thinking/going through. Take the time to analyze it, meditate on it, reflect on it, whatever, but don't just let it go.

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Now that I've bored you all with my responses to the thread so far, I'm going to add my own chapter...this part could also be rather lengthy, so bear with me...

I'd also like to offer this disclaimer. The following portion of this post may contain graphic material and does contain extremely emotional material. Please use your own best discretion in reading.

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I used to volunteer with an EMS/ALS (Paramedic Ambulance) squad when I lived in Virginia. We got called to the worst of the worst. 9/11 at the Pentagon, Car accidents, gun-shots, stabbings, etc. I was a very gung-ho person at the time, and thought that nothing could shake me. Boy, was I wrong! My second to last day on the squad, we were called to an LvA (locomotive vs. automobile) incident. I had been called to one before, and it was bad, but I wasn't prepared for what was coming. I had expected, as anyone being called to an LvA would, complete and utter devastation. I had prepared myself mentally for that. What I found on scene was earth-shattering. Not only was there not complete devastation, the car was still mostly intact. The train had only come in contact with the driver's side rear of the car. There were 5 occupants in the vehicle, 3 adults, and two children. The cases involving children were always extremely hard, but this one simply broke me. Mom and Dad were riding up front. Grandma and the kids were in back. Dad was driving, and Grandma was sitting directly behind him. When we got to the car, 4 of the 5 occupants were DoA. The 5th, a 5-year-old girl named Michaela, had managed to crawl into the front seat. She had curled up with her already dead mother. She had suffered severe head and internal bodily injuries, and was bleeding profusely from numerous lacerations. I asked her name, she said “Michaela.” I asked how old she was, she said “Five.” I told her everything was going to be OK. She looked me right in the eye, and said “It hurts.” Then...just like that, she was gone.

For the first time since joining the squad, I didn't sleep that night. Every time I tried to close my eyes, all I saw was her blank stare.

The next day, I couldn't even get into the bus. I stood there, next to the ambulance, shaking. Much like I am now...My shift supervisor noticed the abnormal behavior right away and pulled me aside. I broke down. I went through 2 solid days of PTSD debriefing, therapy, the whole nine. I had prided myself on being able to deal with anything. Now, I couldn't even drive across a railroad crossing without breaking into tears. That was my last call.

When I moved to NY, things got better for me. I rediscovered Poetry. I found release in music. I rediscovered my faith. I started doing meditative relaxation. Things were looking up for me. I'm in a place now, where I have a great support network around me. Great friends, great family. I'm grateful every day for them. If it weren't for my friends and family...well, I hate to even think about it. I know that finding release in music, poetry and meditation has helped me redevelop my relationships with my friends and family after that day though.

Some days are better than others, but every time I close my eyes, I still see her face. She is engraved in my mind and heart forever.

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Basically, anyone in a position like that, Fire Rescue EMS/Police/Military, etc, needs to have a strong support network, a good release mechanism, and an ability to thoroughly process the days events, otherwise they can haunt you forever in the form of nightmares, daymares, flashbacks—all of the symptoms of PTSD discussed earlier in the thread.
 

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