Project Victory_Overland 08 LR3 Build Thread!

tdhunter13

Observer
Very solid points on all. As a matter of fact, it is not my daily.... "Plan for the worst and hope for the best". I have air and impact and all the goodies... I'll keep my old control arms and maybe rebuild them...

Thanks, I have my moments.
So transportation: Check, double check, and triple check... ha
My motto: "It's probably gonna blow up, so be extremely happy when it doesn't."
Smarter man than I was first go round and I kept my LCA to rebuild them in the future. I figure if I have two sets of all that I can just keep swapping them and save a little $$.

With that said, the EAS is great, my take is I am hoping and praying and throwing chicken bones that ARB is going to make BP-51s direct bolt on for the Disco 3/4. My endstate for this rig is full overland vehicle as my Tesla Model III is going to be my new car and when it's built and delivered in about 9-12 months....lol Since my truck was technically totalled when I had the accident... It was totalled on repair cost alone from Land Rover since shipping and labor to Hawaii is so expensive the insurance company wrote it off... so I am keeping it as its a great truck.

Yeah, so my suggestion stands IF ARB is going to make a bolt-on coil-over. As I doubt you would wear out the AB kit before ARB came out with one.
I'm so beyond jealous at the moment of both making it a dedicated overland rig and especially the fact that you have a Model 3 on order... Likely to be the first in Hawaii I assume too?
So oddly enough, your build along with DiscoDavis' LR3 Build(RIP), AJM, and a couple others were the main tipping points in me getting my 3 last summer instead of a Landcruiser.
I may or may not be making an extended parts list from y'alls builds as well.... haha


I will be stripping everything in the rig out except one back seat (Left) and the rest will be center fridge and sleeping platform. Coils will be optimal to reduce my "what ifs" factor later on in life. My EAS works great right now so maybe I'll leave it alone and just save the pennies for the coil upgrade when needed.

Thanks for the advice, it's always great to hear constructive thought process from like minds.

Ugh... Take a lot of pictures man. What're your plan for the cargo area? I have a pretty cool sliding platform design (could be adjusted for drawers though) if you're needing ideas.
For sure with the coils, I definitely think coils will be the next logical step for you and a lot of guys looking to turn the 3 into a dedicated overland vehicle.

No problem, always happy to give my half-a-cent of advice on things where I can.

PS. As you can tell, I get a little happy with the quote boxes...
 

no-pistons

Adventurer
With that said, the EAS is great, my take is I am hoping and praying and throwing chicken bones that ARB is going to make BP-51s direct bolt on for the Disco 3/4.


Have you ever actually heard anything on this or is it just wishful thinking? It would be awesome if they did. Actually it wouldn't be hard for Fox, Bilstein, King, etc.. to make coil-overs for the LR3, only issue I assume would be providing the EAS disarm device with it.

My EAS works perfectly fine also at the moment, and even rides great on the street/highway. I just absolutely hate the off road ride of it, especially when compared to my 100 series cruiser which is very plush off road even when blasting through the deserts here in southern CA.

The only pro for me personally on the EAS is being able to lower/raise the ride height. Its nice to have the stability of driving it at a normal height daily, then being able to lower it for parking garages, and then raising it when its needed off road.

I'm just hoping if I do coils one day, I will get a more plush off road ride, because the air isn't doing it for me.
 
Have you ever actually heard anything on this or is it just wishful thinking? It would be awesome if they did. Actually it wouldn't be hard for Fox, Bilstein, King, etc.. to make coil-overs for the LR3, only issue I assume would be providing the EAS disarm device with it.

I have no hard confirmation on this and only going off what another member mentioned a while back. With that said, I think there is a market and regardless with the right mindset, tooling, etc. we can make anything work. As long as I can keep traction control, I could care less about the EAS. You are right, the reflash for the suspension is the key to anyone doing this. Why I can't buy an OME reflash or AB reflash without the shocks is beyond me but I see they are trying to keep it propriatary.

On a side note, my vote would be for GAP to do a reflash option and open the market up to those of us who want to explore other suspension options. EAS with the GAP tool is just a fraction (very small fraction IMO) of the benefit of the GAP tool so they would actually be making another form of revenue off having EAS reflash option to coil suspension.

I still can't understand why anyone would waste thousands of dollars and manhours tooling spacers for EAS suspension when shock towers and UCAs are what is needed.

Off my soapbox and back to my flight planning...lol
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
So, you have Rover Specialties sliders, I do too. I was wondering exactly what you did to move the right side slider back by 1/8". My front right tire rubs too and if it's not too big a job I may do what you're doing. Does this cause any issue at the rear tire or is there plenty of room to accommodate the 1/8"?

P.S. How are you sliders holding up with the original powder coating? Mine are 4 years old and peeling and rusting. I'll have to remove and either repaint or coat some day.

Drop slider, note the 2 primary mount holes that are simply a circle slightly larger than bolt. Compare this to the 6 sill bolt holes which are longer 'slots' which allows for assured alighnment. Consider how much is needed in elongating the 2 main bolt holes in similar fashion.
I used a round file, took a few minutes to elongate the hole by roughly 1/8". Take care to realize which direction you need to create space to alllw slider to move further in opposite direction, away from front wheel. ;). There is sufficient space at rear wheel to not recreate same problem.
More complex than the slider though is the bit of sheet metal which sits just behind the slider boxed end and in mine, touched the slider itself. Obviously this must be pushed back to allow slider room to move. In the event this ever goes back to stock, I want the metal to be there for trim to connect with so instead of cutting I bent and folded it back. Flattened out the tab, then bent up at deeper crease line. Any metal altered there I sprayed with a zinc paint (Rustoleum pro to be specific)

Slider condition: bought mine back in 2007. By 2009 there were huge patches of peeling coating and the bozos were so "surprised" LOL Their work was pure ********. I was naive then and knew nothing about metal work or finishing.

I got fed up with concept of the garbage coating being actually worse for the situation by holding in moisture! After basic research, I landed on galvanizing being the best plan. This is what those fools should've done in the first place. It didn't even cost much !

I worked with two shops, one blasted all the crap off, then they went to galvanize, then back to blaster for light media prep just to provide best surface for powder coating. The coating was actually done after a few months curing time (much longer than needed but I just had other things going on). This shop has their main business as industrial and architectural powdercoating so these were done to last outside long term. Most people are surprised these weigh 100 lbs each side!

I've made two other alterations to how the air compressor side mounts. The rear lip which comes close to the compressor I bent outward a bit to allow a little more space for compressor body during bouncy times. I also spaced the slider away/down from the sill by means of galvanized washers stacked above the sill bolt holes. This allows for compressor to still be mounted using the floating feet on the tucked up mount bracket without vibrating against the slider. Mine is currently the AMK.

Starting with the rear bolt hole of 6, I think I stacked 4 washers, then 3,2,1 then none over last 2. It might've been 4432 or 3321 I'm not sure now. The idea is what matters here as it may be different for someone else's vehicle. Keep in mind this requires, ideally, longer sill bolts. I like the ones with built in washer shoulder then add a washer too. Proably an M8x40.

I also found it annoying, after years LOL, that the sliders could "clank" the frame where they just sit against it. So recently I applied a rubber gasket interface made of garage door bottom weather seal! This stuff comes in a flat roll that I guess attaches to bottom of a garage door in a U shape but left on its own is flat and about 2.5" wide, thin and durable. I stuck it on with 3M brand HD outdoor double side thick tape. Works great, no more wonky sounds over bumps, etc. I only used it in the sections where contact occurred which was obvious after using them for years. The non contact points serve as natural drainage ports too.

Good luck.
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
I still can't understand why anyone would waste thousands of dollars and manhours tooling spacers for EAS suspension when shock towers and UCAs are what is needed.

Off my soapbox and back to my flight planning...lol

"Shock towers"? EAS provides a lot that coilovers cannot by means of changing the height. You know that full well so I don't understand why you'd even buy an LR3/4 if you so love the steel springs. It seems we should've jus bought Land Cruisers and quit with all the nonsense right?
 
"Shock towers"? EAS provides a lot that coilovers cannot by means of changing the height. You know that full well so I don't understand why you'd even buy an LR3/4 if you so love the steel springs. It seems we should've jus bought Land Cruisers and quit with all the nonsense right?

Upper shock pillowball mount plates is what I meant to say. You know, to allow for other type coil over installs.

Don't get so sensitive brother, this isn't Berkley and free speech is alive and well in my world.

My point is, what real off-road benefit does air give us over a coil-over. Yes, there is some cross-linking but coil rates will do the exact same thing as the cross-linking function. Yes, I have an LR3 and love it, like you I want more out of it but the options are pump more air into the EAS and that's it.

A fully tuneable coil-over set up provides far greater "All Around" options is all I'm saying. The EAS is very capable, but high maintenance and prone to problems that a coil-over will never have. These are honest opinions on my end.

If you would rather have an inch of steel installed vice and inch of tuneable travel. I have never busted on anyone's build or the LR you and I drive. My point is, if money was going to be spent on R&D for better suspension, which is what we are talking about.........spacers are not the answer!

Rover on my friend, Rover on! :smiley_drive:
 

DiscoDavis

Explorer
Also, Eric my wish for you is to keep the EAS and focus on an upcoming defender... :)

You'll see what I mean in a few months when my back finally gives out... Say what you will about the newer models but they knew how to set up a freaking comfy car with the D3 drivetrain. However, excited to see the 17"s finally in progress. More meat is good
 

tdhunter13

Observer
Hey, too soon man... :ylsmoke:

Hope you get one and do great things with it.

Sorry man, just wanted to acknowledge some of the builds that helped inspire me to get mine (especially when I have a bunch of Toyota friends). I would be happy if mine got half the notoriety that those on here have. Also, your 110 is pretty awesome. A 110 hardtop or 130 is on my bucketlist.

Victory_Overland , did you pull the trigger on your parts? If so, who did you go with
 
Victory_Overland , did you pull the trigger on your parts? If so, who did you go with

I didn't order the parts yet because I got sidetracked on an upcoming work trip which is of course, LAST MINUTE! lol

I'll be doing RRS control arms and LR factory everything. I'll start with the front first because I know the ball-joints sound like my broken ankles and I have a broken swing-arm link to handle. Onces it up on the lift, I'll order the brake parts as well to convert to V6 brakes to fit the 17" OEM wheels.

I have my shopping cart full of stuff on the AB website. I will call them with price matching info from Merriam LR and a few others if I can find good prices and see how it goes.

I just heard back from A.J.M. and he said that my 17" OEM wheels are being picked up by UPS from his house in Scotland tomorrow and they will be on the way. Depending on how much spare change I make on this work trip (If it goes), I will order my M/T tires. If not, I will do the brakes, suspension, etc. and just run the OEM 18's for now.

Yes Connor, the goal is a three door 110! I have to move back to the mainland first before that search starts. Unless i find a steal and someone wants to house it for me cuz i'm not shipping it twice! lol
 

tdhunter13

Observer
I didn't order the parts yet because I got sidetracked on an upcoming work trip which is of course, LAST MINUTE! lol

I'll be doing RRS control arms and LR factory everything. I'll start with the front first because I know the ball-joints sound like my broken ankles and I have a broken swing-arm link

I have my shopping cart full of stuff on the AB website. I will call them with price matching info from Merriam LR and a few others if I can find good prices and see how it goes.

Yes Connor, the goal is a three door 110! I have to move back to the mainland first before that search starts. Unless i find a steal and someone wants to house it for me cuz i'm not shipping it twice! lol

Ahh.. I know how that goes man, an impromptu work trip last year made me miss out on the first LR3 that came up for sale. But sounds like you are about good to go on your parts though, so best of luck! How long does it normally take for something - of decent size - to get from the mainland to you?

I have heard a few rumors of a few people importing Defenders from Japan, which geographically would be a lot more feasible. Have not researched that however.
 
Ahh.. I know how that goes man, an impromptu work trip last year made me miss out on the first LR3 that came up for sale. But sounds like you are about good to go on your parts though, so best of luck! How long does it normally take for something - of decent size - to get from the mainland to you?

I have heard a few rumors of a few people importing Defenders from Japan, which geographically would be a lot more feasible. Have not researched that however.

I received my big boxes from AB in about a week last time. Not too bad at all to be honest for the time but cost gets pretty painful. Aus to USA does not ship to Hawaii, which is quite funny because many of the ships stop here on the way to the mainland. However, they did mention that they would work something out if I were to import and need it to Hawaii. It would be cheaper to go to the mainland for me since I have friends in SFO, Dago, and Long Beach that could help receive.
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
Upper shock pillowball mount plates is what I meant to say. You know, to allow for other type coil over installs.

Don't get so sensitive brother, this isn't Berkley and free speech is alive and well in my world.

My point is, what real off-road benefit does air give us over a coil-over. Yes, there is some cross-linking but coil rates will do the exact same thing as the cross-linking function. Yes, I have an LR3 and love it, like you I want more out of it but the options are pump more air into the EAS and that's it.

A fully tuneable coil-over set up provides far greater "All Around" options is all I'm saying. The EAS is very capable, but high maintenance and prone to problems that a coil-over will never have. These are honest opinions on my end.

If you would rather have an inch of steel installed vice and inch of tuneable travel. I have never busted on anyone's build or the LR you and I drive. My point is, if money was going to be spent on R&D for better suspension, which is what we are talking about.........spacers are not the answer!

Rover on my friend, Rover on! :smiley_drive:

I think you misdunderstood my tone and intent. I share your frustration with the limitations and weak aftermarket for real engineering solutions.

However, I don't think you could simply swap in any kind of coil over while retaining ground clearance at same time as stability unless the entire system was redesigned. The whole idea with EAS is low height stability but then 12" plus clearance when aired up. Right? It's basically tall steel springs when needed then back down to normal when not needed.

It just doesn't work unless you also had a full race truck long travel suspension rebuild. Maybe disconnecting away bars or like Toyotas KDSS.

I share your desire, but without some serious reengineering, it would be simpler and probably better idea to buy the correctly designed vehicle instead.
 
JWestPro,

Okay, since you have the tires covered, I'm dropping this on my thread because I think a lot of us follow your tire evaluations with the extensive trimming you did.

I ran across a Tacoma on island the other day running the exact tire we discussed.......the 255/85R16 which is exact same spec as the 255/80R17 we discussed (besides wheel diameter)! Granted, there is a weight difference so your stability comments are a potential factor. I spoke to this guy and he loves the tires, the width, etc... and said they are perfect for off-road out here. His rig is all kitted out and he loads it down pretty good when he heads up in the mountains.

I'll be honest, the 33" 255 tire just looks like the perfect tire to me (width that is)! With your experience, what is the realistic efforts to run a 33" without major clearance issues? Keep in mind, 7" wheel and about 9" (+/-) of tread width on those 255's so control arm rub should not be a factor and I'll do the steering stop mod you suggested (I'll hit you up on that this week).

Ideally I want to get the spacers off the truck so factory 7x9 wheel with 255/80R17 (33") is the question of the day? hahahaha........Go!
 

Jwestpro

Explorer
A factory 17x7 wheel with 255/85 -17 won't have any issues with the frame rub I'm getting (not sure what you meant to type with the "7x9")

2016 taco only weighs like 4000 lbs. that's 500 lbs less per tire plus I'm willing to bet he doesn't have an additional 2000 lbs on there either.

I realize the 255 probably would be perfectly fine but I just got hung up on how out of proportion they looked :/

The .2" less radius and 2" narrower 255/80-17 would clear more comfortably though.

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So after more thought, for your location, I think 255 is entirely a better choice. I have 80 mph interstates between me and most places I'd go with 2-4-10 hrs too. So, while skinny would work, nuetral/square proportion is still very appropriate here.

Honestly if I were back in NC or in New England, I'd have considered 255 more seriously. I encounter more loose gravel and rocky terrain here whereas in NC it was almost always a muck-fest.
 
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