Questions for the Suburban/Yukon XL owners out there...

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
As for 4x4 vs AWD.. I'll take AWD.. far superior traction on mixed use, hwy, snow, ice, mud, gravel, sand, slush... I live in Montana and we have it all... I have gotten out of many situation where 4x4 vehicles are stuck.. and I pulled them out... AWD is better... Intelligent system......

"Conventional" 4wd Suburbans and Tahoes have an "automatic 4wd" that functions as a kind of "poor man's AWD." I've used it very successfully here in Colorado and I like it. It's not quite as good as true full time 4wd (since it doesn't kick in until you start to spin a rear wheel) but it's much better than having to choose between 2wd and 4wd on an intermittently icy or snowy road. I believe this system was called "Autotrac."

The standard 4wd control on most GMT-800 Suburban/Tahoe and non-Denali Yukons looks like this. You can see the round button for the Auto 4wd setting. There is no "down side" to using the Auto setting except for a slight increase in "heaviness" on the front end as all the parts are turning (though the T-case is not engaged.)

autotrac.jpg

If I had my way, I would have AWD plus a low gearing option as well.. like the new Jeep Grand Cherokee... Best of both worlds... But not available on anything else except the GC

There were variants of the GMT-800 Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon/Yukon XL that had full time 4wd + low range. I believe the option was called "Stabilitrack." You can tell a Stabilitrack vehicle because it does not have a 2wd setting or an Auto 4wd setting. The control looks like this:

Stabilitrack.png

The top setting is for normal highway driving with the center differential unlocked. The second button locks the center diff for "conventional" 4wd and the bottom one is for low range.

AFAIK Stabilitrack was only in the GMT-800 Tahoe, Suburban, Yukon and Yukon XL (non-Denali models, obviously.) I think Stabilitrack may have been offered on the Silverado pickups, but not sure about that. Stabilitrack was on the 1500 models only and does not seem to have been carried over to the GMT900 trucks (although these vehicles still have the Autotrack, but with a rotary knob instead of push buttons.)
 

Lykos

Super Trucker
X2 for the auto 4x4 option. Mine works GREAT in the snow. Especially on snow packed roads.
 

rayra

Expedition Leader
We'll usually hit the Auto in heavy rains, especially first of the season here in L.A., streets get slicker than snot with all the oil and crud

And I see Bulisyf trying to ******** up the thread again / still.
 
Bashing one brand over another is juvenile. There is nothing gained from it except making an ************ out of yourself. We need an ignore button just so we can block post from trolls. We get it you hate anything Chevrolet so why are you here? Not enough attention at home from mommy?
 

Lykos

Super Trucker
MNwanders...
So what are you thinking? Have we sufficiently confused you? Given it all up and decided to buy a Quigley conversion? An Excursion maybe? LoL

Is ditch my 03 1500 for either to be honest.
 

mnwanders

Member
MNwanders...
So what are you thinking? Have we sufficiently confused you? Given it all up and decided to buy a Quigley conversion? An Excursion maybe? LoL

Is ditch my 03 1500 for either to be honest.

Honestly, I think if I pulled the trigger soon it would be on a used 1500 either GMT800 or GMT900. In general those that advocated for the 1500 seemed to actually answer my questions, and those that argued for something else seemed to miss the point that I'm interested in staying as light as possible. But I might be in denial on that because I'm already loading up and pulling more than I did just two years ago. Other than that point, I think several suggested buying new or newer and that's out of the question as I don't have 40k in cash lying around and I like being debt free. But I appreciate all the insight, even the arguments back and forth taught me a few things.
 

Kyle Kelso

Adventurer
MNwanders...
So what are you thinking? Have we sufficiently confused you? Given it all up and decided to buy a Quigley conversion? An Excursion maybe? LoL

Is ditch my 03 1500 for either to be honest.

Honestly, I think if I pulled the trigger soon it would be on a used 1500 either GMT800 or GMT900. In general those that advocated for the 1500 seemed to actually answer my questions, and those that argued for something else seemed to miss the point that I'm interested in staying as light as possible. But I might be in denial on that because I'm already loading up and pulling more than I did just two years ago. Other than that point, I think several suggested buying new or newer and that's out of the question as I don't have 40k in cash lying around and I like being debt free. But I appreciate all the insight, even the arguments back and forth taught me a few things.
I guess you just need to be honest and realistic with yourself and your expectations. Bigger and stronger parts are better for off-roading and it becomes more evident the more weight you add and the rougher the off roading. I think we can all agree (without any stating of brands or models or penis size) that this is a fact and not an opinion. What is an opinion, and in this case your decision to make, is how good is good enough and what is the right balance.

Are the stronger parts worth the weight or cost penalty? Are they beneficial to YOU? Lets be real here the 1500 Burb parts are stronger than your Odessy and "potentially" your Sequoia (not trying to start a flame war!!)

The 2500 DOES have a better rear axle, it does have a better tranny, it does have more ground clearance with stock suspension, etc. These are facts, not really debatable.

How important are those things to you?

I found my GMT800 2500 fully loaded LT for an insignificant increase over the average 1500 price so it was a no brainer really. Would I have paid double for a beat up base model fleet truck? No, I'd choose a good 1500 most likely.

There are lots of guys running 1500s and some more silly than others ( Crazy ). Based on my interpretation of what you are wanting to do and being that you are coming from a Sequoia I would think a 1500 would be just fine provided you plan on a tranny rebuild. Just keep in mind the more load you put on the 1500 the mpg gap starts to close as a bigger engine doesn't have to work as hard. I got better mpg than my folks v8 4runner pulling trailers into a head wind, but much worse driving around empty.

Oh and the GMT800 is better than the GMT900, just cuz it is and I have one and so it's better cuz it is. Hah!

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mnwanders

Member
I guess you just need to be honest and realistic with yourself and your expectations. Bigger and stronger parts are better for off-roading and it becomes more evident the more weight you add and the rougher the off roading. I think we can all agree (without any stating of brands or models or penis size) that this is a fact and not an opinion. What is an opinion, and in this case your decision to make, is how good is good enough and what is the right balance.

Are the stronger parts worth the weight or cost penalty? Are they beneficial to YOU? Lets be real here the 1500 Burb parts are stronger than your Odessy and "potentially" your Sequoia (not trying to start a flame war!!)

The 2500 DOES have a better rear axle, it does have a better tranny, it does have more ground clearance with stock suspension, etc. These are facts, not really debatable.

How important are those things to you?

I found my GMT800 2500 fully loaded LT for an insignificant increase over the average 1500 price so it was a no brainer really. Would I have paid double for a beat up base model fleet truck? No, I'd choose a good 1500 most likely.

There are lots of guys running 1500s and some more silly than others ( Crazy ). Based on my interpretation of what you are wanting to do and being that you are coming from a Sequoia I would think a 1500 would be just fine provided you plan on a tranny rebuild. Just keep in mind the more load you put on the 1500 the mpg gap starts to close as a bigger engine doesn't have to work as hard. I got better mpg than my folks v8 4runner pulling trailers into a head wind, but much worse driving around empty.

Oh and the GMT800 is better than the GMT900, just cuz it is and I have one and so it's better cuz it is. Hah!

Sent from my LG-H873 using Tapatalk
Great points, and I don't disagree at all that the 2500 has stronger parts. I agree that's not debatable. But I really don't think I need that level of performance and I really am trying to keep it as light as possible. I've done the math and I just don't see how we exceed the 1500 payload ever, UNLESS we get a bigger travel trailer. But I'll cross that bridge if it comes up, but I will already admit that the growth in size of trailer and need for more capable tow vehicle seems to happen to a lot of people, so I'm not ruling it out for myself either.
 

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