Recovery how-not-to

[ntsqd]

What I just sent webmaster@moabjeeper.com:

"This article proposes such a stunningly bad idea that I can't begin to understand why you've posted it. The consultation of any reputable reference on rigging will quickly illustrate this. I hope that it is removed in short order and a correction put in it's place."

 

[modelbuilder]

This is how I do all my Recoverys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcHrkhHXoHo

 

[vengeful]

Final Thoughts
The Trail Recovery Hook is no substitute for having a properly set up rig. And an inspection should be done to make sure all vehicles are properly setup before hitting the trail. However, as we said in the beginning... there will be that one person who fails to heed this advice (of having recovery points) and he will be the one person that gets stuck.
I'm sure there are some that are still wondering what an Anchor Shackle is, here is a picture. I'm sure you have seen one but maybe called by a different name.

Copied from the end of the article.

Of course, it's a flat out HORRIBLE idea, but might work if you had too long of a pull to do with one extension strap. I wouldn't even consider using that in a snatch situation. Only in a light winching pull, and even then, I'd put a HEAVY blanket directly over it. Of course, why you wouldn't just tie the straps together is beyond me....

 

[tdesanto]

Alright - if the bolts are up to it - why not? It is the same point as found on many vehicles.

http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/g...?articleID=468

Because if anything fails (one of the loops, one of the bolts, or one of the hooks) then the rest of that rigging will be launched in the direction of one of the vehicles. It could contain enough force to kill someone in short order. This is mostly due to the dynamic nature of snatch recovery straps. These straps store kinetic energy when they're stretched, and they're designed to stretchup to, I believe, 20%.

I've always seen the best way to attach two recovery straps is to feed one loop through the other and use a stick or something light to keep it from slipping back out. I've often wondered though, if it were possible to feed each strap through the ends closest to one another. Obviously this is possible, but I wonder if you could still get them apart after you recovered the vehicle.

That article is simply irresponsible and I hope it gets removed quickly.

 

[Antichrist]

Hooks shouldn't even be used as an anchor point on a vechicle, must less as illustrated.
Aside from the idiocy of the "method", what planet is the guy from?
"An Anchor Shackle of the appropriate strength would be less clumsy, and at least three times the price...."

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: I seem to detect a slight error in some of the opinions voiced here

Of course an open hook (free) is very dangerous, nomatter how presented, but, can and is safely used when attached to the bumper of an off-road vehicle, but

The real danger in using a hook for any recovery, is not knowing the difference between a --RECOVERY STRAP and a SNATCH STRAP--

Two completely different schools of recovery use and I'm sure we're all aware of that--right???

:costumed-smiley-007:safari-rig::safari-rig: JIMBO

 

[mountainpete]

The real danger in using a hook for any recovery, is not knowing the difference between a --RECOVERY STRAP and a SNATCH STRAP--

Two completely different schools of recovery use and I'm sure we're all aware of that--right???

:costumed-smiley-007:safari-rig::safari-rig: JIMBO

Actually the term recovery strap and snatch strap is fairly interchangeable worldwide. They represent, on a very basic level, a strap with elastic properties that makes use kinetic energy to assist in recovery.

Now tow straps are a different story...

Pete

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: Well, I'm going back quite a few years, but

Actually the term recovery strap and snatch strap is fairly interchangeable worldwide. They represent, on a very basic level, a strap with elastic properties that makes use kinetic energy to assist in recovery.

Now tow straps are a different story...

Pete

--TOUCHE, I think you get my drift

:costumed-smiley-007:safari-rig::safari-rig: JIMBO

 

[mountainpete]

--TOUCHE, I think you get my drift

:costumed-smiley-007:safari-rig::safari-rig: JIMBO

Drift received and acknowledged

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: I don't want to drag this out , cause it's already getting long enough and I think the points been made, but

Drift received and acknowledged

When you're out in the boonies, between a rock and a hard spot, sometimes you have to use whats on hand, for recovery

This is actually very strong, just don't put no hooks on it !!!

Cheers--JIMBO

 

[T.Low]

This is the 2nd forum today that I've seen that article on.

 

[TEJASYOTA]

Hope they do remove that impromptu hook assembly....real scary.

As for that Jeep loosing it's top, seen it before and I still wonder why they hell would they even try to pull the jeep out perpendicular to the natural way that the jeep entered that mud pit.

Idiots.

 

[T.Low]

Hope they do remove that impromptu hook assembly....real scary.

As for that Jeep loosing it's top, seen it before and I still wonder why they hell would they even try to pull the jeep out perpendicular to the natural way that the jeep entered that mud pit.

Idiots.

I've seen it too. My first instinct is that the Jeep was abonded after getting stuck sometime and some *******s came by and abused the poor thing.

 

[Antichrist]

When you're out in the boonies, between a rock and a hard spot, sometimes you have to use whats on hand, for recovery

Oh, I agree 100%. Sometimes you need to improvise. However, the author wasn't talking about improvising. He was talking about making this abomination at home in your garage and keeping it in your kit. :Wow1:

 

[Antichrist]

Of course an open hook (free) is very dangerous, nomatter how presented, but, can and is safely used when attached to the bumper of an off-road vehicle, but

If you know what you're doing and use it merely for a light pull (those hooks typically only have a 10k lb WLL), I agree. The problem is that it's only a matter of time before someone uses it incorrectly.
So why bother installing a hook that should have limited use, when for a few dollars more you can install a proper recovery point that has a much higher WLL?