Red's deuce camper project

[red EOD veteran]

Keep in mind that all the motors listed, besides the 8.3 Cummins, are lighter than the stock multifuel.

All those listed make 150-200ft/lbs more stock. No other power upgrades required, I'd start breaking drive train parts.

Cost is a factor.

 

[back woods]

Keep in mind that all the motors listed, besides the 8.3 Cummins, are lighter than the stock multifuel.

All those listed make 150-200ft/lbs more stock. No other power upgrades required, I'd start breaking drive train parts.

Cost is a factor.

Planning on using the stock 5 speed?

 

[red EOD veteran]

Possibly. I will be right at its max/past it. Ideal would be a 11/13 speed Eaton. Great gear ratios and a better OD ratio of .73 compared to the .79 the stock Spicer 3053a has.

 

[red EOD veteran]

Parts for the 12 volt system arrived today!! I should be on the road tomorrow!!

 

[shortbus4x4]

Right on. Drive safe.

 

[red EOD veteran]

Well trip didn't quite go as planned, made it safely to Salt Lake City, Utah and I'm settling in here.

The old multifuel and trans will need to be replaced. Motor is locked up and the clutch is fried on the trans, unsure if the trans itself is ok but I'm assuming it's not.

Goal is to have those swapped out with a stronger, more reliable/modern setup in the next 6 months.

 

[guidolyons]

made it safely to Salt Lake City, Utah and I'm settling in.

Thought you were enroute to Washington?

Well trip didn't quite go as planned...

Motor is locked up and the clutch is fried on the trans, unsure if the trans itself is ok but I'm assuming it's not.

Well, that is no bueno, what happened? Did it die on your trip or after you had arrived?

 

[red EOD veteran]

Fuel injectors started sticking open about 100 miles from my friends house by Roy, Utah. I decided to push it the rest of the way, burnt an intake valve in the process.

Was going to cost more money to fix it than I was willing to put into the multifuel engine, so decided to stay here and tow the truck to a friends house. In the process the motor locked up and fried the clutch.

 

[goofballracer]

How does it do driving down the road i have looked into the military trucks and I kind of figured they are not a very smooth ride

 

[k9lestat]

Damn you got luck like me man

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[red EOD veteran]

How does it do driving down the road i have looked into the military trucks and I kind of figured they are not a very smooth ride

The driver seat has a spring base which helps, the MRAP seats are a huge improvement with comfort. 10 hour drives with no discomfort. Plenty of leg room to stretch out if you are less than 6 feet tall (I'm 5'10"). The 395x85x20 tires ride smooth and don't wander at speeds up to 62mph, never driven faster than that with these tires. Running 35psi front and 30psi in the rear 4 tires.

Noise is a problem, no insulation anywhere lets you hear everything from the engine and drivetrain. Rerouting the exhaust and installing a muffler removed most of the noise, but head phones are still required from the wind and drivetrain. Imagine driving a jeep with the top and doors off, that's where I'm down to. Went from 99 decibels stock exhaust/tires at 53mph, 2300rpm, down to 84 decibels in the cab at 55mph, 2100rpm. When the engine and trans are pulled I plan to insulate the engine bay and the underside of the cab, will help by reducing noise and heat transfer.



Currently I'm at Hill AFB, just down the road from Boyce Equipment in Ogden. I am job hunting right now, will most likely move into a place in Salt Lake City (20 minutes away).

The plan is to swap out the engine and transmission to something that is easier to get parts for, and more reliable. We used my daily driver, an 05 chevy 3/4 ton with the duramax/Allison drivetrain and it pulled the deuce without any problem going up a long 8% grade. About 21,000 pounds, which is the maximum weight I'm thinking of going with the deuce and cargo. So a 5.9 cummins or a duramax are back on the list as possible engines.

 

[back woods]

Id look for an 8.3 cummins since they came in the 5 ton trucks and usually have good transmission options. I'll say this again the 5.9 is not enough motor for that truck, 180hp in most p-pump applications. The stock injectors can outrun the stock turbos pretty easily, next thing you know you are looking for a bigger turbo/injectors. Not to mention it is 118ci smaller. With an 8.3 you can bump the fuel and timing up a bit and be done with it. 8.3 Cummins, 466 IH, and 7.8 Ford, are the holy grail motors for swapping, 5.9s are for pickups.

 

[red EOD veteran]

Before the experience of towing the truck with the duramax I would completely agree on the smaller motors, but after that tow I think the 5.9 and the duramax are viable options.

For power the stock LDT465 multifuel is 135hp, 330ft/lbs of torque, with the turbo. Lots of gearing to compensate, but most engines will exceed the stock engine power.

8.3 cummins is too long to fit the stock engine bay. Friend has one in his M800 series wrecker (cant remember the exact M8xx number), I would need at least 6" more length to clear the radiator. Might fit in a A3 series deuce, but the engine bay on the A2 is too short. Speaking of which, I need to help him get that wrecker running again so we can pull the engine/trans out of my deuce.

A DT466 (need to measure the length but should fit) would be ideal. the 5.9 and duramax are smaller and would be working more to make the truck move. Weight is equivalent to a 1 ton pickup with about a 7k pound trailer behind it. DT466 and cummins both use adapter plates, making transmission options pretty much limitless.

That's another thing to decide on, transmission. Manual or auto, and which one. There are junk yards all over the place up here so it shouldn't be too difficult to find something once I have a job again.

 

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[back woods]

Before the experience of towing the truck with the duramax I would completely agree on the smaller motors, but after that tow I think the 5.9 and the duramax are viable options.

For power the stock LDT465 multifuel is 135hp, 330ft/lbs of torque, with the turbo. Lots of gearing to compensate, but most engines will exceed the stock engine power.

8.3 cummins is too long to fit the stock engine bay. Friend has one in his M800 series wrecker (cant remember the exact M8xx number), I would need at least 6" more length to clear the radiator. Might fit in a A3 series deuce, but the engine bay on the A2 is too short. Speaking of which, I need to help him get that wrecker running again so we can pull the engine/trans out of my deuce.

A DT466 (need to measure the length but should fit) would be ideal. the 5.9 and duramax are smaller and would be working more to make the truck move. Weight is equivalent to a 1 ton pickup with about a 7k pound trailer behind it. DT466 and cummins both use adapter plates, making transmission options pretty much limitless.

That's another thing to decide on, transmission. Manual or auto, and which one. There are junk yards all over the place up here so it shouldn't be too difficult to find something once I have a job again.

If you arent going to ever tow or haul anything substantial go for the 5.9. Hauling the truck around itself is a 1 ton + 7k? Imagine hooking a 3klb trailer with an 8klb truck to the back of it, then throw all your tools and supplies in the bed of the duece and go for a road trip. A 6.6 would have good power but if you have ever driven a 5500 kodiak you would think other wise. A lot of electrical going into it but some of them have 2000 series Allisons behind them. If you are willing to get in depth with a 6.6 as far as electronic ****, why not a 7.3 powerstroke? Computers are pretty basic and self contained, super reliable and can be tuned easily. But then again, have you ever driven a 4700 IH with a 7.3? All of the 2wd MDT trucks with the 5.9/7.3/6.6 are dogs unless you spend the coin to turn them up. At that point you wish you had a bigger motor you could turn up and really make power.

Just talking from experience, I used to think the turned up 5.9 in my F700 was ************, until I loaded it down and started actually using the truck. After that I couldnt pull it fast enough.