Remington 700: Defective Trigger Issue
- Thread starter Dave Bennett
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007
Explorer
The issue is that the trigger assembly has an additional moving part. It isn't a defective part, or something that fails on its own. For failure to occur the additional part would have to be blocked by debris. All triggers can be malfunctioned by debris falling into just the right place at just the right time, the trigger in question has a higher chance of this malfunction because of an additional moving part. Sort of like an 8 cylinder motor has double the chance of an injector clogging than a 4 cyl motor because there are twice as many injectors.
Lawyers, and others in search of Remington's money believe they've found an angle to leverage that money away.
They are looking at one piece among many parts and saying the gun is unsafe because this one thing isn't as well designed as some other models. There are a bunch of other parts in this trigger assembly that make it very safe compared to other guns, but that doesn't seem to be discussed in any accusations. There are many makes and models of guns out there that are not nearly as safe as the 700.
Guns are expected to be clean and well taken care of. Remington and the like all publish instruction manuals on the frequency of cleaning, how to perform safety checks, and they are adamant that guns not ever be pointed at another person Especially when loading a round!!!
If it were truly a defect, it would have become common knowledge among the users long long ago. Its a news scare, hype thats all.
The only thing thats changed - is people now expecting guns to be safe, which is defective logic.
Wyowanderer
Explorer
The trigger group in the 700 is designed poorly, even if it does work well most of the time. The M16 is poorly designed as a battle rifle as well; the cure for both is vigilance in keeping them clean.
That said, It's dangerous to chamber a round before you're ready to destroy your target. Seems like most of the problems with firearm can be cured with discipline and thought for safety.
I'm not assigning blame to anyone who has experienced trouble with these rifles, but I wonder how many times they have fired on their own when only loaded while pointed at the target.
Tacodoc, thanks for the post.
That said, It's dangerous to chamber a round before you're ready to destroy your target. Seems like most of the problems with firearm can be cured with discipline and thought for safety.
I'm not assigning blame to anyone who has experienced trouble with these rifles, but I wonder how many times they have fired on their own when only loaded while pointed at the target.
Tacodoc, thanks for the post.
Good points- I'm glad you fleshed that out. From what I've read (which is limited) its an alleged design defect, one that makes the fire control group more likely to fire when its not cleaned regularly. Contrast this with the M16 issues where imperfect cleaning lead to jams and failures to fire. So which would you prefer in a hunting rifle- a failure to fire or an unintended discharge?
To be sure, the sheer number of rifles out there has provided a larger pool of defects. Its popularity works against it. Still, with this number of AD's and an identifiable design issue, I wouldn't dismiss this purely as a "news scare," but reasonable people can disagree on that.
Wyowanderer
Explorer
I'd rather hunt with an M16 than use it for a battle rifle, since a jammed battle rifle can kill you. A hunting rifle with nothing in the chamber until pointed at the target can't. But I'm old school. The last battle rifle I liked was the M14. And I hunt with it (an M1A) still. :sombrero:
Fergie
Expedition Leader
I just heard about this defect from my tattoo artist last night as I was getting some more ink.
Completely separate from the issue at hand, I'm right-handed, but left eye dominant and as such, dislike most bolt action rifles(and the leftys don't feel right).
So what you say? This is why I stick with Remington 760s and 7600s...better guns in my opinion and more functional for me.
Carry on and don't shoot yourself in the foot!
Completely separate from the issue at hand, I'm right-handed, but left eye dominant and as such, dislike most bolt action rifles(and the leftys don't feel right).
So what you say? This is why I stick with Remington 760s and 7600s...better guns in my opinion and more functional for me.
Carry on and don't shoot yourself in the foot!
Dave Bennett
Adventurist
Gunnslinger
Adventurer
I had model 700, 7mm RM. While hunting pronghorn in Wyoming, crosshairs on a nice buck, I pressed the trigger. Nothing. No click, no bang, no detectable movement of any kind. Check safety. Press trigger. Same result. Cycle bolt. Press trigger. Same...pronghorn waiting patiently. I gave up, smoked a cigarette and watched the buck and his harem stroll away. When the light got better I cleared the rifle and cycled the bolt a few times, every time I cycled the bolt the 'hammer' would drop. It didn't slam fire but the hammer dropped and the piece was uncocked. I disassembled and cleaned the bolt that night, it wasn't particularly dirty, and it worked ok for a while but the problem did reoccur later. I took a pronghorn and a mule deer with it on that hunt, but got rid of the rifle after that. In the hands of someone with poor muzzle discipline it could be a bad situation. I have a Remington 600 that has not had any problem.
I recommend extreme caution when manipulating the bolt or disengaging the safety on your 700.
RULE# 3, DO NOT LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO SEE DESTROYED.
DVC:REOutShootinghunter
I recommend extreme caution when manipulating the bolt or disengaging the safety on your 700.
RULE# 3, DO NOT LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO SEE DESTROYED.
DVC:REOutShootinghunter
Dave Bennett
Adventurist
Amen.
Dave Bennett
Adventurist
A good rule nonetheless
Gunnslinger
Adventurer
I believe you are right about that. I stand corrected.
sorryaboutthestd
New member
I will buy all of your deadly defective Remington 700's at the fair market price of 10 dollars each you pay DROS.