SkiWill
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They're using VM 3.0 diesels currently, but soon to completely phase out. They only used the OM642 early versions of the 3.0 V6 in the US from MB under Daimler-Chrysler. The 4 cylinders were VM units.
Risks of buying a new Grenadier
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SkiWill
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EXACTLY! That would solve a lot of problems. A Wrangler Rubicon is still too small for my family of 5 realistically, and the Grenadier would be perfect size wise, but at such a cost. I've done the one ton life, and it's not for me. I need a vehicle footprint that's not measured in acres. I'm eagerly awaiting the 2024 Land Cruiser and GX reveal. The LX600/LC300 is still too wide for my taste but the 2024 Land Cruiser and GX will be close but slightly downsized and comparable to the Grenadier. It could make for an interesting competition.
nickw
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If the looks of a modern LC don't bother you and the fact that it's a bit bougie / you don't need the "simplified" rig that the Gren offers I think it's a no brainer, the LC is by far less risk. The LC is a known commodity, proven itself, based on proven industrial design / build methodology that has stood the test of time, uses drivetrain components engineered from ground up for use case and GVWR and you have a dealer support network - all of that is what you want in a expo rig.
But you can't argue with visual appeal - I've tried and failed more than once, but on paper, I don't see anything about a modern LC that doesn't make it a superior rig, IFS included.
SkiWill
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Given Teslas problems with insurers.... I cannot imagine Grenadier being better.
Why Tesla cars get totaled so easily - Autoblog
Insurers are increasingly writing off a Tesla even after light damage due to their complexity, cost, and wait times for repairs.www.autoblog.com
I was thinking about that as well. Has anyone gotten a quote yet?
The 2024 Land Cruiser for USA will be based off the Prado so it's up in the air for how "bougie" and luxurious it will be. At this point, only Toyota knows that and what it will look like. All we know about it is that it is coming. It will share a platform with the Lexus GX so it would make sense for it to be less "bougie" than the 200 series was. The GX will be there for the more luxurious experience. And the USA specific 2024 Land Cruiser should have better range and less ridiculous fuel consumption than the 14 mpg Grenadier.
zimm
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super stiff springs.
luckyjoe
Adventurer
If I could buy a brand-new 1990's coil-sprung Land Rover today, I'd do it in a second. I like the size, feel, utility, and the way they drive. The Gren is pricey, but about as close as I can get. It may have unknown reliability, but Magna-Steyr has a good history. Since there is literally nothing else in the market like it, I think I'll have a swing.
A full-size PU is too lacking in several areas, plus I don't need to tow. Other upscale SUV's are exactly that - too upscale for what I want to do. I don't like the reclined Taco seating, and fear the '24 will have too many nanny systems. The Jeep and Bronco seem to get their body width from fender flares rather than maximizing interior space, and well, Chrysler and Ford? I have not owned a post-1973 American made vehicle and really do not want to go there.
A full-size PU is too lacking in several areas, plus I don't need to tow. Other upscale SUV's are exactly that - too upscale for what I want to do. I don't like the reclined Taco seating, and fear the '24 will have too many nanny systems. The Jeep and Bronco seem to get their body width from fender flares rather than maximizing interior space, and well, Chrysler and Ford? I have not owned a post-1973 American made vehicle and really do not want to go there.
nickw
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I'd expect if they don't the consumer / enthusiasts groups will in short order.
ChasingOurTrunks
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If Jeep is watching, they should do absolutely that in the US. I know they had a military one in the last 10 years that had HD axles and a diesel that other countries got that we didn't, but they could and would 100% eat into "commercial" sales like the Gren is aiming at with exactly what you suggest....
If you believe this website (I am sceptical) looks like the "High Tide" version is 1700+ although the payload vs curb weight doesn't quite add up for me:
Jeep Wrangler Payload (2014 - 2023): Your Comprehensive Guide
Max your hauling capabilities with the right trim Jeep Wrangler. See our data of payload by model year to see which options have the most capacity.www.autopadre.com
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The rest of the jeep was built to a higher standard too, I think it came with a D60 rear axle OEM:
Mopar Performance Military Spec Rear Dana 60 Axle Assembly for 07-17 Jeep Wrangler JK
Available exclusively from Mopar Performance - Jeep Wrangler military-grade front and rear axle assemblies for Jeep Wranglers. These tough, genuine Jeep assemblies are designed for the military Wrangler (J8) and provide the next level of off-road performance for Wranglers.www.quadratec.com
The High Tide is very exciting - I'm not familiar with that one, but off down the rabbit hole I go.
The Beefy Jeep you are talking about is the Jeep J8 and it's fantastic and exactly what we need.
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited J8 - Jeep JT Pickup - 4 Wheel Drive & Sport Utility Magazine
Read about Mopar Underground's Jeep Wrangler Unlimited JT Pickup, the Jeep J8 a military off road vehicle with a turbo diesel engine, Dana 44 front end, Dana 60 rear end, Superlift Lift Kit, leaf springs, Bf Goodrich mud terrain tires, and rocker panels at 4wdandsportutility.com the official...
(That article starts with a chat about a Concept car but it goes into detail on the base of that concept, which is the J8).
Another article:
AEV J8 MILSPEC: A Jeep J8, Built For Civilians
When we say the AEV J8 MILSPEC is just like a Jeep J8 Wrangler, we don't mean a close approximation, we mean AEV buys the crates as they leave Toledo and assembles them by hand.
jalopnik.com
ChasingOurTrunks
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This is supposed to be the service manual, also supposedly available for free to buyers:
SkiWill
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Thank you very much. I've been wondering if they'd actually follow through with it. Unfortunate that it is only for buyers and not perspective buyers. Being able to look through some of those service and requirements could be a make or break for someone like me. In any case, I'm fortunate in that Ineos has a full service dealer indicated for Salt Lake City, so at some point I'll be able to actually get into depth in one of these to create a more informed impression.
ChasingOurTrunks
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Well - the key word is "Supposed to be". I've not been following as closely since the pricing announcement but I've not seen them actually deliver this CAD style thing to customers - happy to hear if I'm wrong about that though! And, the fact that this video demo exists suggests it should be available eventually and so I don't fault them too much if it's not quite ready at launch given how few vehicles have actually been delivered - it's early days yet.
SkiWill
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I'm not sure how it could be any different. The 2023 Mercedes G550 is rated 13 city / 16 highway so 14 combined and is the most comparable given the similarities in sheer heft and barn door aerodynamics.
Data for the new hybrid Sequoia is limited, but according to the fuelly.com website those three users are averaging 18.5 mpg with a 10 speed auto, hybrid, and twin turbo V6. When curb weight exceeds 5,500 lbs pushing a box through the air, there's only so much fuel efficiency one can expect even with a lot of gears and hybrid drivetrains.
I wish the consumption was lower too, but not sure of any way around it.
luckyjoe
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Petrol consumption reports from the EU and Oz have been higher, and I personally think it's par for the course. It is not built like a lightweight, subject to a large manufacturer's CAFE standard goals, or victim of cross-platform feature-numbing cost-sharing. For that last point I will gladly take higher consumption knowing the payload can easily handle 1-2 jerry cans.