RR sport vs. D110 discussion

[SeaRubi]

RR Sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Nfvr4iWeQ

D110
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivlz6jRWmfg&NR=1

Long live those pesky range rovers and all the goodies that filter their way down into the rest of the land rover lineup!

Without the original Range Rover, there would be no modern Defender. The first Disco was built on a Rangie chassis. Things didn't change until 1999. The excellent traction control system on the Discovery II can be traced directly to the P38a, as can the improvements to the differential upgrades. The LR3, likewise, inherited much of the terrain response system from the 2003 MkIII range rover.

With all the talk about air suspension, BECM nightmares, and failed head gaskets, I thought it was worth highlighting some of the advantages the flagship has brought to the table over the years.

I'm looking forward to the price falling out from under the 2003-2004 MkIII trucks. Coils and a heavy right foot await. Can you imagine? Bombing the Baja with independent suspension front and rear, and 300+ horespower? :smiley_drive:

-rangie guy

 

[stu454]

There are some nice MkIII's for around 20.

I love those trucks, even though the electricals worry me.

Maybe I'm just a wuss.

 

[WoldD90]

With out the series truck there would be no Range Rover. The series trucks started in 1948, and the Range Rover in 1972. The Defender is a direct descendant of the Series trucks.

There is no doubt that the RR Sport was very impressive on that rock face, the hill decent functioned flawlessly.

 

[SeaRubi]

There are some nice MkIII's for around 20.

I love those trucks, even though the electricals worry me.

Maybe I'm just a wuss.

No ... just common sense! I'm sure Sputnik has nuthin' on the MkIII Rangie when it comes to wiring and onboard computers. :snorkel:

With out the series truck there would be no Range Rover. The series trucks started in 1948, and the Range Rover in 1972. The Defender is a direct descendant of the Series trucks.

well, kind of :elkgrin:... the stage 1 V8 truck was in there, too.


One of the early "velar" trucks. Sales actually started in 1970.

 

[SeaRubi]

There is no doubt that the RR Sport was very impressive on that rock face, the hill decent functioned flawlessly.

I was kind of shocked to see the thing up there, even if it's only on youtube. Makes me wonder what it would do without all the stupid spoilers everywhere and a real exhaust. why they couldn't have routed it through the center support of the rear suspension is beyond me. To go underneath the axle is a real disappointment.

The other nits I have about the new trucks is the departure from the tall 'n skinny tires, and the serious weight gain. these things are pushing over 6k now, which is just crazy.

 

[Mike_rupp]

That hill climb is perfectly suited to the RRS. The RRS has a 108" wheel base (only 2" shorter than the 110), and a very low COG. The 110 was lifted and the higher COG added to the tippiness and helped it lose traction. If the same hill was done with a standard height 110 with lockers or LSDs, the outcome would have most likely been different.

It is reaching to make a conclusion about the offroad capabilities of vehicles based on one obstacle. It would make more sense to take both trucks out on a trip together to see each truck's weak spots and strengths.

 

[zimm]

interesting how the vegitation grows a 30deg angle.....


try tilting your screens so you get a true horizon.....

 

[Rovertrader]

Fellas, until you drive a LR3(or RRS- same platform), you cannot believe it!! I have driven Defenders for the past 15 years, and recently sold one to a dealer in Co. As partial payment, I got a new LR3, with 2" lift, ARB front bumper, winch, etc. Anyway, we did a few trails while out there, and then drove it home. My initial plan was to simply wholesale it, and finish out the deal. No way- it is capable beyond belief, super comfortable, and will spoil you silly. Would I take it up Blanca- doubtful. But shy of the toughest trails, it will amaze, and as an expedition platform covering lots of miles, no comparasson. And quite honestly, a few years down the road, when the new is worn off, who knows

 

[SCRover]

interesting how the vegitation grows a 30deg angle.....


try tilting your screens so you get a true horizon.....

does your signature suggest that you want to part with your 110? if so, have you listed it and where?

also, why is it you are unhappy with the truck?

 

[SCRover]

Fellas, until you drive a LR3(or RRS- same platform), you cannot believe it!! I have driven Defenders for the past 15 years, and recently sold one to a dealer in Co. As partial payment, I got a new LR3, with 2" lift, ARB front bumper, winch, etc. Anyway, we did a few trails while out there, and then drove it home. My initial plan was to simply wholesale it, and finish out the deal. No way- it is capable beyond belief, super comfortable, and will spoil you silly. Would I take it up Blanca- doubtful. But shy of the toughest trails, it will amaze, and as an expedition platform covering lots of miles, no comparasson. And quite honestly, a few years down the road, when the new is worn off, who knows

you're just getting old, mr. trader. :ylsmoke:

 

[Antichrist]

as an expedition platform covering lots of miles, no comparasson.

Very true. A Defender would be by far the better choice. But we've been there/done that in other threads.

 

[Rovertrader]

not quite what I meant re: lots of miles. Did 2k miles out in a 130, and 2k back in the LR3, and could walk after the second half of the trip

And wish it was 'getting' old, as I am afraid I have arrived my friend. Hope all is well Mark- sell the 110 and get an LR3 in lieu of the Toy....

 

[kellymoe]

Apples and oranges.

 

[SeaRubi]

Kellymoe - apples and oranges, indeed! But the point was more about appreciating the trickle down in the technology rather than an outright comparison. The new Defender's also benefit from traction control these days, too, as I understand it.

If the same hill was done with a standard height 110 with lockers or LSDs, the outcome would have most likely been different.

agreed - it looks like the RR sport is benefitting greatly from more grunt and, I don't believe my eyes, but maybe deeper gearing?

It is reaching to make a conclusion about the offroad capabilities of vehicles based on one obstacle. It would make more sense to take both trucks out on a trip together to see each truck's weak spots and strengths.

as mentioned above, I wasn't trying to say it was better at everything based on some youtube videos of one obstacle - just illustrating how well the technology is working in the newer trucks.

One thing is certain - an long trip across latin america in a range rover sport would be a very comfortable trip! What was that Mercedesrover said in the other thread? Drive as far as you can until it dies - then pull the plates and get a plane ticket home :sombrero:

 

[SeaRubi]

But shy of the toughest trails, it will amaze, and as an expedition platform covering lots of miles, no comparasson. And quite honestly, a few years down the road, when the new is worn off, who knows

Thanks for posting up - I'm curious what the story is with coil conversion and availability for the LR3, and whether or not it can be retrofitted to the RR sport? Also, has anyone compared the size of the CV joints with anything else? How hard is it to swap an axle shaft / cv? Is it doable without an auto-lift?

cheers :beer: