Surprised no one is discussing the Cybertruck today.

[rruff]

Maybe auto manufacturers could install reactive air bags on front bumpers. Could better protect peds and also help out with deer/moose/elk hits too? 🤔

I guess it would to be radar, lidar or something like that? A sensor that would detect an imminent collision and quickly deploy something to cushion the blow. It would probably be easy to implement on "self driving" vehicles, but pretty expensive on others.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

It's more of a Mad Max version if a musclecar with a bed and high ground clearance...

Or...or Back to the Future DeLorean Time machine but as a truck. If I recall, the DeLorean wasn't big on performance either.

 

[CyberTruckOne]

I've got nothing against EVs in general (though I think the cyber truck is uber ugly), what I have a problem with is the government artificially forcing their adoption, and the banning of ICE vehicle production. EVs have strong points and weak points. I really don't think if left to fend for themselves that the technology is there yet to entice consumers to drop ICE vehicles in favor of EVs. But let consumer demand (or lack there of) drive the EV market, and let the chips fall where they may.

And don't get me stated on EVs and the environment

Im for free market too, but geez the gas and oil industry make EV subsidies look like child's play. Not to mention we spend billions if not trillions defending and or stealing oil reserves around the world.

 

[NevadaLover]

Im for free market too, but geez the gas and oil industry make EV subsidies look like child's play. Not to mention we spend billions if not trillions defending and or stealing oil reserves around the world.

Fossil fuel hatred isn't going to speed the adoption any faster, the world isn't ready for full EVs yet, get used that fact.

 

[JaSAn]

Im for free market too, but geez the gas and oil industry make EV subsidies look like child's play. Not to mention we spend billions if not trillions defending and or stealing oil reserves around the world.

Would you please enlighten us as to the subsidies for gas and oil industries that aren't available to other industries as well?

And lets compare apples to apples:

EV's are vehicles, oil and gas are manufacturing and distribution.​

Please compare EV subsidies to ICE vehicle subsidies and oil and gas subsidies to green tech subsidies.

I think you will find the opposite:
The subsidies used by oil and gas are generally available to a wide range of industries and are in place to keep the cost of goods and services down.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

Im for free market too, but geez the gas and oil industry make EV subsidies look like child's play. Not to mention we spend billions if not trillions defending and or stealing oil reserves around the world.

While that is true, people like to say that without realizing...no matter WHAT the natural resource that makes things live or go, humankind will be defending and stealing it. If our cars ran on poop, someone would be running around after my dog trying to pick it up, and my dog would turn back-biting if someone over zealously grabbed at his anus.

 

[Todd n Natalie]

The Paradox of Lithium

The clean energy transition depends heavily on lithium, but mining this element is not “clean.” We must not fall into the same traps from which we are trying to free ourselves.

news.climate.columbia.edu

Lithium fields: Beautiful from the air, trouble on the ground

The vivid swathes of minerals in this lithium extraction field, photographed by Tom Hegen, make for a dazzling sight but also represent a worrying aspect of our electrifying world

www.newscientist.com

A Comparison of the Environmental Consequences in the Production and Disposal Phases of Lithium-Ion Batteries and Gasoline - NHSJS

Audrey Wen, Min-seung Kang, James Truncer Abstract Gasoline is recognized as an unsustainable energy source, and multiple industries now use lithium-ion battery alternatives to meet society’s demands for a shift away from nonrenewable sources. Lithium-ion battery powered products produce zero...

nhsjs.com

Last article is pretty interesting.

Back to the topic at hand:

US start-up unveils blatant Tesla Cybertruck copy

While imitation is seen as a form of flattery, no one told this US firm that it’s best to at least make something better than your rivals.

www.drive.com.au

 

[JaSAn]

And this is how lithium is strip mined:

For scale, the arrow is pointing to a man by the machine.

. . . Not to mention we spend billions if not trillions defending and or stealing oil reserves around the world.

I know our government is incompetent but with all the wars and military interventions we have had we still have to buy our oil on the international market.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

View attachment 813499

The Paradox of Lithium

The clean energy transition depends heavily on lithium, but mining this element is not “clean.” We must not fall into the same traps from which we are trying to free ourselves.

news.climate.columbia.edu

Lithium fields: Beautiful from the air, trouble on the ground

The vivid swathes of minerals in this lithium extraction field, photographed by Tom Hegen, make for a dazzling sight but also represent a worrying aspect of our electrifying world

www.newscientist.com

A Comparison of the Environmental Consequences in the Production and Disposal Phases of Lithium-Ion Batteries and Gasoline - NHSJS

Audrey Wen, Min-seung Kang, James Truncer Abstract Gasoline is recognized as an unsustainable energy source, and multiple industries now use lithium-ion battery alternatives to meet society’s demands for a shift away from nonrenewable sources. Lithium-ion battery powered products produce zero...

nhsjs.com

Last article is pretty interesting.

Back to the topic at hand:

US start-up unveils blatant Tesla Cybertruck copy

While imitation is seen as a form of flattery, no one told this US firm that it’s best to at least make something better than your rivals.

www.drive.com.au

And this is how lithium is strip mined:
View attachment 813633
For scale, the arrow is pointing to a man by the machine.


I know our government is incompetent but with all the wars and military interventions we have had we still have to buy our oil on the international market.

You know you can make batteries without lithium, right? LFP being the most common alternative, there is also sodium. In fact you can make EV batteries out of lots of elements. Also, to remind everyone again, these elements aren’t consumed in the battery, they can and will be used in future batteries.

But in keeping with the theme here is a photo to share

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

Im for free market too, but geez the gas and oil industry make EV subsidies look like child's play. Not to mention we spend billions if not trillions defending and or stealing oil reserves around the world.

Welcome to Expo! The front page of this site and the magazine Overland Journal has some occasional EV overlanding coverage, but the EV sub here has mostly devolved into what-about-isms and change anxiety.

There is a fair amount of first person Rivian Overlanding content on the web but it doesn’t seem to make it to the forums here. Inspite of Rivian having a history of involvement with the community.

 

[NevadaLover]

You know you can make batteries without lithium, right? LFP being the most common alternative, there is also sodium. In fact you can make EV batteries out of lots of elements. Also, to remind everyone again, these elements aren’t consumed in the battery, they can and will be used in future batteries.

But in keeping with the theme here is a photo to share

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Lithium-ion being the current (heehee....) favorite battery in EV'S makes your point incorrect!

And there is no "change anxiety" here, a simple glance thru the posts will prove that most of us here on the portal aren't against EV'S, we are against the push to outlaw ICE vehicles when the current crop of EV'S do not meet our requirements.

And the cost of recovery of used battery elements makes battery recycling almost a moot point!

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Batteries for Electric Vehicles

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

I know our government is incompetent but with all the wars and military interventions we have had we still have to buy our oil on the international market.

*in dollars

 

[plainjaneFJC]

Lithium-ion being the current (heehee....) favorite battery in EV'S makes your point incorrect!

And there is no "change anxiety" here, a simple glance thru the posts will prove that for most of us here on the portal aren't against EV'S, we are against the push to outlaw ICE vehicles when the current crop of EV'S do not meet our requirements.

And the cost of recovery of used battery elements makes battery recycling almost a moot point!

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Batteries for Electric Vehicles

Remember the “enlightened one”… won’t respond because he thinks you are me… definitely seems pronoun confused…😆

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

While that is true, people like to say that without realizing...no matter WHAT the natural resource that makes things live or go, humankind will be defending and stealing it. If our cars ran on poop, someone would be running around after my dog trying to pick it up, and my dog would turn back-biting if someone over zealously grabbed at his anus.

My car runs on sunshine

 

[DFNDER]

Would you please enlighten us as to the subsidies for gas and oil industries that aren't available to other industries as well?

And lets compare apples to apples:

EV's are vehicles, oil and gas are manufacturing and distribution.​

Please compare EV subsidies to ICE vehicle subsidies and oil and gas subsidies to green tech subsidies.

I think you will find the opposite:
The subsidies used by oil and gas are generally available to a wide range of industries and are in place to keep the cost of goods and services down.

Many of the subsidies for extractive energy industries are not available to other industries, and they are more than substantial. There’s a reason Europeans pay 2-3 times what we pay for gas and heating oil. We just pay for it differently and don’t realize it.

Fact Sheet | Fossil Fuel Subsidies: A Closer Look at Tax Breaks and Societal Costs (2019) | White Papers | EESI

www.eesi.org