Synthetic rope for WARN ENDURANCE 12.0

[Mark-O]

Hi all
I'm starting my planning for my expedition vehicle (76-77) Bronco and am planning on putting a WARN ENDURANCE 12.0 on the front and was wanting to replace the existing wire rope (3/8) with a synthetic, can someone give me an idea what size and the length I should be looking at.

Any info would surly help

Mark-O

 

[alexrex20]

I'm sure M*****-Pull will come in here and link you to their products , but I would go with 80-100ft of 3/8in Amsteel Blue.

Check out OKoffroad for quality, real-deal synthetic winchline. And for $100s and $100s cheaper for the same exact thing from other "big name" manufacturers.

 

[elmo_4_vt]

There is a member here, Masterpull?, that sells winch rope. Look for some of the other winch topics as he's usually a good source of info. PMing him would probably give quick accurate results.

 

[ddog45]

rope

These guys are great and the prices are where they should be I think.
http://www.rockstomper.com/

 

[Master-Pull]

Essentially you have 3 choices in the synthetic market, Amsteel Blue or a basic rope (which is what everyone carries) or an upgraded rope like our Superline or Superline XD. I am sure that a few people on here will cry foul and say I am "pimping" my products but here are the facts on the ropes:


Basic grey/ yellow (similar to Amsteel Blue): Basic grey or yellow is a 12 strand Sk75 Dyneema fiber that is created using fibers from the Netherlands. This is the original winch rope and has been imitated by many companies over the years, these imitators are not as strong, durable, or safe to use and often times the ropes come from China where they are made for less money with a less expensive fiber. Our basic ropes are rated at 13,000 lbs for the 5/16” or 18,000 lbs for 3/8.”
http://www.masterpull.com/cpage.cfm?cpid=423


Superline: Master-Pull Superline is a unique rope that is unlike any other product offered for the off-road industry. It starts out as a 12 strand basic rope that is heated and stretched, which reduces the overall diameter and increases the strength, creating a smaller rope with a higher strength and better abrasion resistance. These ropes will last longer because they don’t allow grit to penetrate between the fibers which can wear down rope even though you don’t see it. The 5/16” is rated at 21,000 lbs and 3/8” is rated at 26,500 lbs.
http://www.masterpull.com/cpage.cfm?cpid=413


Superline XD: Master-Pull Superline XD is our top of the line product; it is the strongest and most durable rope available on the planet today. We rate XD the same as Superline for breaking strength, but the abrasion and wear resistance is much greater. Because of the outer braided cover over the entire rope Superline XD ropes have lasted up over 5 years in a competition event. Even if the cover begins to get fuzzy, the core is still protected and can look virtually undamaged after years of abuse.
http://www.masterpull.com/cpage.cfm?cpid=478


That winch will take 100' of 5/16ths Superline or Superline XD, or 85' of the basic 3/8ths rope or Amsteel Blue.

-Alex

 

[Scott Brady]

The Endurance 12 is a fast and light winch, but is not rated for synthetic line - use at your own risk. . .

 

[Rbertalotto]

I'm learning............

What criteria does a winch have to posses to be rated for synthetic rope......?

Thanks in advance......

 

[Master-Pull]

The Endurance 12 is a fast and light winch, but is not rated for synthetic line - use at your own risk. . .

Warn has said in the past not to use synthetic rope with it's winches unless it is a Warn rope.

One of the Tier-1 Off-Road guys, Rob, has a 12k endurance on his TJ that sees plenty of action. He has about 100' of our Superline XD on it and we used that winch plus a lot of extensions to pull a dead buggy up a sand hill during the King of the Hammers Race last February and it worked fine.

-Alex

 

[Mark-O]

I'm wondering also how a winch has to be rated for synthetic line, my view is the line is just a physical connection to the winch itself and to an anchor point to enable recovery. As long as the drum is finished with the correct surfaces (ie smooth as not to damage the line and the correct fairlead in place) wither its wire or synthetic I don't see a difference.

I look at the rope wither its wire or synthetic as a replace able part to be replaced with the best part available IMO. But with all the cheap stuff out there but I know this there are times to save money and times when with what is at stake not to. aka your own back side (the school of hard knocks)

I could be wrong in part or all, maybe if the folks a Warn could chime in as they know best.

I do know this a Warn has saved my bacon more than once and is the only winch manufacture I'll ever own.

Mark-O

 

[Peter_n_Margaret]

Electric winches can get HOT, some more than others.
Synthetics vary in their ability to survive heat.

Cheers,
Peter

 

[Mark-O]

OK I did a little digging (thanks to the internet) and looked up the break assembly on Warns part list and it’s listed as being “Fan cooled” that’s the nice feature of the Endurance 12.0

That and how the synthetic line has 10’ of heat protector on the bottom layer of the winch drum should cover any heat issues.

Mark -O

 

[1911]

I run synthetic lines on both of my Warn winches, neither one of which are/were offered with synthetic line by Warn; they both work fine with no issues whatsoever. An M8000 and an 8274, FWIW.

 

[Scott Brady]

It is based on the drum strength. Any of the planetary winches from Warn above 9500 lbs. are not rated for synthetic. It is also why Warn does not sell synthetic line rated higher than 9500 lbs. Sure people use synthetic on them, but at their rated loads, the drum can crush. I have already crushed one drum.

Most people use 9500lb. or smaller Warns, so it is really not an issue. I only have Warn winches on my trucks and love them, but you need to be aware of potential limitations.

Synthetic creates a constriction effect around the drum and can crush it like a can. Steel cable has a high rate of surface friction on the drum, bitting into the surface of the drum as opposed to slipping on the surface. This is also the reason why five wraps on the first layer is sufficient for steel cable and eight to ten wraps are required for synthetic.

Even Superwinch found this out and had to increase the thickness of their drum material.

 

[Peter_n_Margaret]

I have a Warn 12.5Ti on the OKA with synthetic cable.
I wrapped a thick layer of insulating material around the drum before winding on the cable. That provides some insulation protection and some friction.

Cheers,
Peter

 

[dzzz]

It is based on the drum strength. Any of the planetary winches from Warn above 9500 lbs. are not rated for synthetic. It is also why Warn does not sell synthetic line rated higher than 9500 lbs. Sure people use synthetic on them, but at their rated loads, the drum can crush. I have already crushed one drum.

Most people use 9500lb. or smaller Warns, so it is really not an issue. I only have Warn winches on my trucks and love them, but you need to be aware of potential limitations.

Synthetic creates a constriction effect around the drum and can crush it like a can. Steel cable has a high rate of surface friction on the drum, bitting into the surface of the drum as opposed to slipping on the surface. This is also the reason why five wraps on the first layer is sufficient for steel cable and eight to ten wraps are required for synthetic.

Even Superwinch found this out and had to increase the thickness of their drum material.

Interesting. I guess this is why commercial winches can be 3x-4x the weight of similar spec'd recreational devices.