Tell me about Subaru reliability

brianjwilson

Some sort of lost...
Speaking of electrical issues, the stereo and climate control lights flicker occasionally when it is cold, whether idling or driving. I'll echo the comment about it feeling/sounding thin and not well dampened though. I have had much of the front apart while modifying headlights and such and everything feels so cheap. One of the bolts holding a headlight in place sheared right off at the head of the bolt while I was tightening it, though it wasn't even halfway in.
I would have gone with another VW or something different, but it is just so much fun to have AWD with a rear limited slip, turbo and manual trans. The wife drives it and loves it so that's what counts I guess.
 

Navman

Adventurer
wife AND co worker both had 98 and 99 forrester...2.5....BOTH put new engines in them a year after getting it (120K)...connecting rod went...

if you check it out...and it Idles PERFECT...yer good...if it idles FUNNY...its gonna die...

other than that...great car...durable...rode good...gas and go!!

So what exactly do you mean by idling perfect or funny? I always thought mine idled funny from day 1, but just attributed it to the boxer engine.
 

Maddmatt

Explorer
I have an '01 Outback - bought it in fall of '01 with 9k on it, had been a rental. Currently has 95k miles on it and has been my wife's daily driver since we bought it.

This ended up getting pretty long, sorry, but I've been doing a cost/benefit analysis of keeping it a few more years in my head, was helpful for me to put it all down on 'paper'.

Here's a complete list of the problems I've experienced in 9 years of ownership, and the costs to rectify:

Front rotors are undersized. Replaced mine with some upgraded drilled and slotted ones, not only do I look cool but it stops better and no more warping issues.
Cost: $400 including pads and labor

Lightbulb in the PRNDL stick burned out at about 30k miles.
Cost: $1.25 and 30 minutes.

Big plastic piece across rear tailgate prone to leaking in heavy rain.
Cost: Some RTV and a couple hours of my time.

Factory alarm failed. Needed a whole new control module, which would have been $800 some dollars, but it was right at the 36k warranty so we got a new one for free. It has failed again - but I'm thinking I'm just going to get a cheap remote entry system installed. We don't need an alarm where we go anyway, but it's nice to be able to unlock the doors remotely when your arms are full.

Occasional fuel smell in sub-zero temps caused by fuel supply lines contracting in extreme cold.
Cost: Once we figured out the issue - once every 2 years I need to spend 10 minutes in the engine bay with a phillips screwdriver tightening the connections.

OEM engine skid plate is plastic. Found that out in '06 when we had 12" ice ruts in our culdesac for 3 months.
Cost: $180 for an all aluminum STI rally skid plate and an hour on my back in the snow (didn't want to take any chances with an aluminum block and all that deep snow around).

Cabin gets really hot in the summer (black interior, lots of windows)
Cost: $250 for a professional tint job.

Goes through tires pretty quickly.
Cost: Buy tires at Discount Tire, they are happy to rotate and balance any time you want. I go in early on Saturdays, they often don't even bother to check if it's been 6k miles since the last time they just run it into a bay and rotate and rebalance the tires while me and the counter guys talk about trucks and drink coffee. Might help that during the last 10 years I've bought tires for a Taco, an FJ40, an FJ62, a 4runner and the suby there.

Wind noise at highway speeds. Its an inherent defect in this vintage Outback, not sure about other years. Luckily Subaru installed a wind noise cancellation button on the dash - they labeled it 'volume' :) Its right under my other favorite factory installed feature, the weather band radio. My kids go nuts cuz I like to "listen to the robot" when we're on road trips.

Currently dripping oil from the rear of the block. Several possible causes, will be taking it into the shop for a diagnosis next week, when it needs an oil change anyway.
Cost: ??

The paint on the hood is developing this weird 'star' pattern. I don't know how else to explain it, small star like lines in the paint, each about the size of a penny. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in an unreported front end accident and Hertz did a poorly prepped respray of the front end, but it's not rusting or peeling and it drives straight. Has been happening for 4 or 5 years.

So while I'm bummed about the oil leak, and somewhat nervous about the head gaskets, although we've had no problems there, when I add it all up the cost of ownership has been pretty small for 9 years of daily driving.

On the benefit side - phenomenal in the snow. I would drive this car anywhere, anytime, with the 'all season' Pirellis it's got on it with no hesitation. Like all cars it has its quirks - if you're playing around and you let the back end get away from you, the back end is going to be driving the train pretty quickly. I imagine the newer VDC versions don't have this issue, and its really only an issue when I make it an issue.

Comfortable. I'm 6', 200 lbs and I can easily handle 15 hour days behind the wheel. One of our favorite family trips is the non-stop Boulder-Tucson jaunt to visit the grandparents. 969 miles, 15 hours.

The passenger seat could use some more adjustability. If I could lower it I could be a happy passenger too, but honestly I'm never happy as a passenger so I like having the excuse of always having to drive.

Reasonable economy. With 2 adults, 2 kids, a 60lb dog and a Thule box on the roof it gets 26mpg on the highway at 70mph. That drops to about 24 if you push it up to 80. Will easily cruise on I80 from Laramie to SLC with the cruise control set at 92mph, or so I've heard :smiley_drive: but mpg dropped to around 23. Around town is not as good, with winter fuel we often see it dip as low as 20mpg, but it mostly drives around town, lots of stop and go, etc....

I've never had a headlight or foglight burn out. I see them around town with burned out lights constantly, but it has never happened to me.

So when I add it all up, (and I hope this was as useful for you as it was for me as I decide what to do) the cost of ownership over the last 9 years has been very small. I've said it before, but if I knew how much I was going to love this car when I bought it, I would have held out for a 5 speed, just to make driving more engaging.

After this quick analysis, I'm thinking about getting the oil leak fixed, and then banking $250 a month as a hedge fund against possible head gasket failure. I haven't had a car payment in 5 years and I'm not in any hurry to have one again, and I could happily drive this car for another 4 or 5 years.

It's already driven the family all over the place (winter time drives to Jackson Hole, Telluride, Steamboat, Vail, Tucson) and we have a long one planned for the summer - several states.

Luckily we have SuperRupair here in town, it's the Subaru equivalent of what Slee is to the FJ80 crowd - so it's in good hands, mechanically. Final analysis - no regrets about my Suby and would happily buy another one.
-Matt
 

Antelope

New member
I've had a couple subaru's and have a friend that delievers lost luggage for a small airport in VT. They use cheap subaru's and beat the heck out of them and have a few with over 500K on them now with the years ranging from the old late 80's Gl's up to an 00 outback. The GL's and the 90-94 Legacy's are the best for reliability, they use those engines in airplanes and lots of other applications.

Subaru fixed the head gasket issue in late 03 on the non turbos, I don't know about the turbos. I"ve done a few sets of head gaskets on the EJ25 and there really not that bad to do, about 2 day's worth of work. I was a die hard VW guy and switched to Subaru because of reliability there's no looking back for me.

I just picked up a new Forester a couple months ago and am having a blast with it, on road and off snowy/muddy fire roads getting to trail heads. Even the new one's are still easy enough to work on yourself for most of the basic items unlike most other new cars. Hopefully I won't have to find that out for years.
 

GTKrockeTT

Observer
i have a 99 legacy 2.5gt, still running and a shade over 130K. aside from 2 blown head gaskets, and a small retaining clip in the center diff that worked loose and caused all the gears inside to explode, it's been pretty darn reliable. ;)

so, about $20 in actual parts have ended up causing $4-5K to fix.
 

frogstar7055

Yep,that's a scratch.
Make sure you change timing belt at recommended intervals. (every 105,000mi)
On a used one look at the back passenger side of the motor where the head meets the block,if theirs a head gasket leak that's where it will be.
If it's not leaking it probably never will
More common to the 2.5 DOHC,2.5 SOHC good to go.

Go here,

http://www.subaruforester.org/
and
http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/index.php

For all your in depth Subaru questions.

I have two Foresters (2001,2008) and love them both.

I go just about anywhere a Jeep can go in this one.
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AAXD

New member
Looks like I'm not the only one looking at getting into the Suby world.
I've pretty much decided my 97 Discovery XD is going to go on to a better place soon as keeping it alive is starting to affect my mental health. I have been seeing a lot of Foresters around lately and I even found one for sale in my town, which is pretty rare since is it is a Ford/Chevy/Dodge town. The car in question is a 99 Forester S model. I looked it over twice so far but haven't seen it run or driven it yet. It has 120k miles and I'm going to try and haggle them down to a doable price for me. They are asking $7950 but I don't think I won't pay a dime over $6000(if this is high please let me know, shipping a car from the lower 48 will cost me at least $1000) so I'm willing to pay a bit extra to buy local. I'm an aircraft mechanic and I'm pretty competent when it comes to car repair as well so I can do the head gasket swap myself but I'm trying to get a rough idea of what it would cost to have done professionally. I'm hoping I can bring the dealer proof that this car is prone to head gasket failure and if they can't show me proof that it has been fixed I want to try and talk them down as much as the gasket job will cost. My other question is corrosion related. Pretty much all cars get accelerated rust here and this Forester has quite a bit of crusty aluminum in the engine bay as well as surface rust on the suspension components. Should I just quit thinking about it and try to find something from down south?
 

frogstar7055

Yep,that's a scratch.
I paid $5600 for my 2001 with 109,000mi on it.
Your on the right track with your thinking on the head gasket,timing belt too if it hasn't been done yet.
Not sure if that price is high (what does Kelly blue book say?) but I imagine a Subaru is more exspensive in AK than FL,AWD and all.
 

Christian P.

Expedition Leader
Staff member
Looks like I'm not the only one looking at getting into the Suby world.
I've pretty much decided my 97 Discovery XD is going to go on to a better place soon as keeping it alive is starting to affect my mental health. I have been seeing a lot of Foresters around lately and I even found one for sale in my town, which is pretty rare since is it is a Ford/Chevy/Dodge town. The car in question is a 99 Forester S model. I looked it over twice so far but haven't seen it run or driven it yet. It has 120k miles and I'm going to try and haggle them down to a doable price for me. They are asking $7950 but I don't think I won't pay a dime over $6000(if this is high please let me know, shipping a car from the lower 48 will cost me at least $1000) so I'm willing to pay a bit extra to buy local. I'm an aircraft mechanic and I'm pretty competent when it comes to car repair as well so I can do the head gasket swap myself but I'm trying to get a rough idea of what it would cost to have done professionally. I'm hoping I can bring the dealer proof that this car is prone to head gasket failure and if they can't show me proof that it has been fixed I want to try and talk them down as much as the gasket job will cost. My other question is corrosion related. Pretty much all cars get accelerated rust here and this Forester has quite a bit of crusty aluminum in the engine bay as well as surface rust on the suspension components. Should I just quit thinking about it and try to find something from down south?

I don't know the market in Alaska but that seems really high to me.

Here's a couple example - in this economy I am sure you can find a much better deal than a 1999 with 120k...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1-ow...ewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item335912c5f0

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUBA...ewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3efc410668
 

EricRichards

New member
I have owned Subaru's since '83 and everyone has been nothing but reliable, so much so that I do not ever look at owning any car but them.
Now they are not a true 4x4, but the AWD will allow you to take them places that maybe you should not. Parts interchange between same chassis, which makes them easy to maintain if you ever have a problem.
 

Dale

Adventurer
I use my 2001 Outback for 1 day-2 week camping trips, hauling material for my construction business and as my Search & Rescue Response Vehicle. It now has 135K miles and I haven't had to replace anything but what my service manual recomended. Things I would change: the 4 cylinder for this yr/model is underpowered, the newer Outback 4 cyclinders have as much power as a 6 cylinders at 4 cylinder fuel economy. I would like to refab the front bumper to increase the approach angle and replace the BIG fog/driving lights with something smaller and mount to top of bumper. I've had 2 of them broken by road cinders. Air noise is a little annoying but I reduced some by adding AVS window visors.
 

Purzell

Adventurer
Check out www.subaruoutback.org and read the Head Gasket Failure log

I'm in there, with my 2005 Outback. The headgasket blew after only 79,000 miles. Subaru was unwilling to assist with the issue saying that they were mostly seeing that as an issue in the 2004 and prior 4 cyl. engine. I also had trouble with the all wheel drive system and my mechanic had to keep adding the friction modifier to it, but it would still bind up after 3000 miles or so. Oh yeah, we used the conditioner in the coolant but it obviously did not work.

My 1992 Legacy Brighton wagon had 200K when I sold it (for way too little.) It was a fantasic, bulletproof car that I regret selling to this day.

I have had two friends with 2009 Outbacks experience and issue with the radiator cap failing and the coolant disappearing.

Anyhow that website has great info on all the motors and models, not just Outbacks. Nice people too.

YMMV.
 

Maddmatt

Explorer
Update to my rather long pros / cons Subaru post earlier in this thread.

Turns out my head gaskets were indeed blown, 2001 Outback with 96k miles.

Subaru knew this was a problem and issued a TSB a few years ago asking the dealers to install some sort of seal conditioner into the coolant at all the recommended service intervals. So here's where being lazy paid off for me.

With a couple exceptions all services and oil changes have been performed at the dealer where I bought the car. They followed procedure, which meant that Subaru increased my powertrain warranty to 8yr/100k. So I'm under the mileage limit, but a full 13 months over the time limit. The dealer took up my case with Subaru of America - SOA agreed to cover the bulk of the repair - which means new head gaskets on my 9 yr old car are costing me $400 instead of $1600 - and, since they're in there on Subarus dime I'm having the timing belt changed for no labor cost, and we're checking the water pump and any other big ticket items too - Might as well take advantage of all that free labor.

So I remain a big Suby fan - based on the last 100k miles I should have another 4 or 5 years of relatively problem free driving.

Oh yeah, and they gave me a new, 2010 Impreza hatchback with the 'premium' package as a free loaner. This good deal on the repair may end up costing me a fortune, cuz my wife is loving the moonroof, heated seats, new car smell, etc..... :smiley_drive: Her first car was an '87 Golf which she drove into the ground - she misses the 'hot hatch' driving experience.....
 

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