TerraLiner:12 m Globally Mobile Beach House/Class-A Crossover w 6x6 Hybrid Drivetrain

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Once again, the AWG won't work because of the cool temperatures. And second, because winter is the dry season in the more northerly parts of Australia, rooftop rainwater collection won't work either.

This will be especially true for the desert and semi-arid parts of the interior of Australia, which receive very little rainfall during the winter months, and also have average winter temperatures cooler than the coast, because they are distant from the moderating effect of the ocean – see http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/austn-weather-and-the-seasons:



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Note that the maximum temperature at Alice Springs in the middle of the winter is 21 degrees Celsius, but minimums of 5 – 9 degrees Celsius are possible. Also see the weather data for Alice Springs in the Wikipedia article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Springs , and see https://weather-and-climate.com/ave...-Temperature-Sunshine,Alice-Springs,Australia . So even in Alice Springs during the winter, an AWG would not work much of the time, if only because of the low temperature. And yet Alice Springs is reasonably far north, located at a latitude near the middle of the continent

Even more importantly, an AWG won't work in Alice Springs because the humidity will be too low:



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Yes, I know that this weather graph for Alice Springs is very information-dense. See http://www.australia.climatemps.com and http://www.alice-springs.climatemps.com for the website. But the month-by-month weather graphs on this particular website are extremely detailed and comprehensive. And hence, extremely useful for my purposes. They are by far the very best such weather graphs that I have been able to find on the web, at least so far. in the discussion over the next few pages I will make liberal use of them, so the committed reader might want to become familiar with them.....:ylsmoke:..

The pay-off is this: once one begins examining climate at this level of detail, one's picture of the amount and seasonality of rainfall and humidity one might expect in a given location, changes ever so slightly again, as we shall see below. Sure, larger maps of yearly rainfall, climate, or relative humidity for entire continents -- of the kind that I just used in the previous two posts -- help one make very general, broad-brushstorkes observations. But they are extremely general, and might lead one to false conclusions at the more fine-grained level of local climate. Yes, the graph of weather data for Flagstaff seems tailor-made for a data-junkie like me.....:sombrero:...But such detailed weather graphs will help me illustrate some important points in a very powerful, compressed way.

For instance, although there is scant rainfall in Alice Springs during the winter, relative humidity does in fact rise. This is an interesting phenomenon that we will see repeated again and again. An increase in rainfall does not necessarily correspond with an increase in relative humidity. In the case of Alice Springs, humidity and rainfall are inversely correlated: when one goes up, the other goes down. This will also be true in some other desert locations, but not all; and it will not necessarily be true in non-desert locations. So just this one graph alone serves to illustrate a crucial point that I will be developing: that North American and European climate intuitions tend to be misleading, and actual empirical climate data holds many surprises. It is simply wrong to assume that as rainfall goes up, humidity rises as well. Or that when and where there is no rainfall, there is not humidity. Making this assumption is a very big mistake, and we'll see just how much of a mistake further along, when I discuss "Coastal Fog Deserts".

Now in the case of Alice Springs, although relative humidity rises in the winter, it doesn't rise enough: it still does not manage to break through the 35 % threshold for AWG operability. And because Alice Springs locates in the center of Australia and distant from the coasts, the average monthly winter temperature from May to August is just at or slightly below the AWG threshold of 15.5 degrees. So either way -- humidity or temperature -- an AWG will not work for those 4 months in winter. Notice also how even in the spring, summer, and autumn months an AWG still will not work in Alice Springs. But in these other seasons because relative humidity in Alice Springs will drop even further, down to the 20 % range. There is some rain in Alice Springs in the summer months, so perhaps the TerraLiner could collect that on the roof......

The picture is much the same in other towns located deep in the heart of the Australian outback. For instance, at Wiluna, located near the center of Western Australia, the temperature is also too cold in the winter for an AWG to operate, for the four months from May to August -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiluna,_Western_Australia and https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...s0x2bbc1fada79324f7:0x400f6382479d310!5m1!1e4 . Relative humidity in Wiluna is a bit more promising, but even still, it barely scratches above 35 % in December and January, when it reaches just 39 % -- see http://www.wiluna.climatemps.com . So during the two months in Wiluna when humidity is high enough for an AWG to work (marginally), it will not work because of temperature. And in the months when the temperature would be adequate, the relative humidity will not be: relative humidity at Wiluna plunges to 19 % in the middle of Australia's summer.

At Kalgoorie further south, but still near the desert, relative humidity is much better, always above 40 %, and reaching 60 % in the winter months -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalgoorlie and https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...s0x2a4d4fc68b12a54f:0x400f6382479d4f0!5m1!1e4 . But down at this latitude temperature would be an even bigger problem. Although maximum temperatures of 17.5 and 16.6 degrees Celsius are possible in the winter at Kalgoorie, minimums of 4.6 and 6.1 degrees Celsius are also possible in June and July. And throughout the winter at Kalgoorie the average temperature remains below the 15.5 degree Celsius operability threshold for 5 months, from May to September -- see http://www.kalgoorlie.climatemps.com .

Now Kalgoorie doesn't seem to get much of a rainfall spike in the summer months, and the level of rainfall in Kalgoorie seems to remain fairly constant throughout the year. Kalgoorie locates in the "intermediate zone" between Australia's "rainy-summers" and "rainy-winters" climates; an intermediate zone that I illustrated as a band shaded bright purple, in the second-to-last map found in the previous post. Kalgoorie's level of rainfall, although more constant, is not a terrific, with a maximum of just 35 mm in June. But Kalgoorie's rainfall never drops below 10 mm either. In short, at least Kalgoorie's maximum rainfall occurs in June/July, at the height of the winter, when the Australian outback further north is the driest. At least peak rainfall in Kalgoorie occurs precisely during those months when an AWG will not work, and when the TerraLiner would need rooftop rainwater collection to work instead.

Which perhaps should not be too surprising: Kalgoorie is situated much nearer to Perth, which has a mediterranean, "rainy winters" climate.

How about other desert locations in the Australia, closer to the coast? Do they have better figures for humidity and temperature over the winter months?

As it turns out, they do. For instance, Onslow is a town quite literally in the middle of nowhere, west of Broome and very far north relative to Perth -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onslow,_Western_Australia ,https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...m2!3m1!1s0x2bf9bcf8017a7c5f:0x400f6382479cd90 , and http://www.onslow.climatemps.com :



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Although located on the coast, Onslow definitely has a desert climate, classified as "BSh" under the Köppen system -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_climate . And yet, although rainfall in Onslow drops to barely nothing from September to December -- i.e. during the "build up" that precedes the "wet" of the summer monsoon months -- relative humidity in Onslow never drops below 44 %. And because this is so far north, the average daily temperature is 20.1 degrees Celsius in June, and 19.0 degrees Celsius in July. So even though Onslow has a desert climate, an AWG would most likely work all year round. There might be some days in June, July, and August when the temperature drops below 15.5 degrees Celsius. But in May and June at least, for some reason there is significant rainfall in Onslow, a secondary "spike" that occurs immediately following the standard rainy season in northern Australia, which runs January through March.

In sum, observe how only by using very detailed weather graphs does information of this sort come to light, information that is important. From this information we might conclude that if the TerraLiner were to hug the Australian coast, this alone might be enough to guarantee that it will always encounter sufficient humidity to keep one or two AWGs well fed. Even in July, in the very middle of the winter dry season, in the very heart of the Australian desert at Onslow (albeit on the coast). Yes, temperature will still be an issue further south, even on the coast. But as we just saw when looking at Kalgoorie, as one heads south in Australia, winters become wetter in any case. So the TerraLiner could switch over to rooftop rainwater collection, instead of AWG water production.

Here are two videos about Australian climate and geography, which might provide a useful introduction. What I wrote above is much more technical, because my specific interest is seasonal rainfall patterns and humidity:






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8. Desert Climates in the Northern Hemisphere where neither roof-top rainfall collection, nor the AWGs, will work during the Winter and Spring


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Now all of this is counter-intuitive for those who are habituated to arid or semi-arid climates in California, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, etc.: climates where winter is the rainy season, and summer is hot and dry. It seems totally counter-intuitive to associate winter cold with low rainfall, and scorching heat during the summer months in the arid interior of Australia, with the highest likelihood of rainfall. But there it is. And we saw the same pattern in the southern part of Africa, albeit examined in less detail. The more one investigates the actual facts of how climate works out seasonally in different parts of the world, the more one realizes that one needs to completely abandon one's "climate intuitions" as a North American or European. Those intuitions will positively hinder one's ability to understand how climate works in places that are not North America and not Europe.

There is one interesting exception, however.

As far as I know the ExPo server is located in Arizona, in the middle of a huge arid and desert region that encompasses much of the western half of North America:



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Those who live in southern Arizona (e.g. Tucson) may then find that there is some consonance between their climate, and the climate in the Australian outback, i.e. significant rainfall in the summer months. The same is true for southern New Mexico (Albuquerque), and western Texas (El Paso) .

In major California urban conglomerations like the Bay Area and Los Angeles, the summers are hot, dry, and lack rain, and fall and spring are not much better. Often the only truly "rainy" months in the Bay Area and Los Angeles are November/December/January, and they are also the only months with reasonable levels of humidity. However, the rest of the American west is quite different.

First off, just like California, the "Four Corners" region -- northern Arizona + western New Mexico + and southern Utah + south-western Colorado -- receives some precipitation from late November to March. In the first map below for January precipitation, this is indicated by the blob marked "25" hovering over the Four Corners, which I colored blue:


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The Four Corners is so-called because it is the only place in the United States where the boundaries of four states meet to form an intersection with perfect, 90-degree angles -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Corners . I marked the Four Corners on the map of North American desserts with a red "bulls eyes".

Here again in the third image we have an information-dense weather chart from that same terrific website -- see http://www.flagstaff.climatemps.com and http://www.usa.climatemps.com. I picked Flagstaff because it is a reasonably large city located nearest the center of the Four Corners' "precipitation blob" of winter rainfall. Strictly speaking the actual location of the Four Corners is in an arid region, whereas significant rainfall occurs mostly southwest of that spot, which I shaded green on the map of North American deserts. Those who know Arizona will understand the significance of that green-shaded area: it's the high-altitude region of Arizona where one finds huge a huge, continuous forest of Ponderosa pine. In effect, the three areas that I shaded green -- northern Arizona, the Salt Lake City basin, and south-central New Mexico -- are some of the "rainfall oases" one encounters as one drives across the western United States. Generally speaking rainfall increases with altitude, so the American west is a series of tree-covered plateaus and verdant mountain massifs, separated by much larger open plains of arid scrubland or outright desert, as per southern Arizona.

Now like California, the Four Corners area becomes dry in May and June. But the Four Corners then enjoys another, second season of rainfall in July/August/September, as shown in the second black-and-white map above for July precipitation. Or as clearly demonstrated by Flagstaff's levels of rainfall in mid-to-late summer. Flagstaff is very exceptional in having such nearly-year-round rainfall, because almost everywhere else in the American West, rainfall arrives either in the summer, or the winter, but not both.

If you've ever been to Flagstaff, you'll know that the smell of the huge Ponderosa pines in the forest surrounding Flagstaff is intoxicating. The Ponderosa pines excrete a resin that smells like a cross between turpentine and perfume. The enormous size and density of the Ponderosa pines in and around Flagstaff are probably possible only because of Flagstaff's unusual, reliably wet weather -- see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconino_National_Forest and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_ponderosa .

By way of contrast, many regions of the American West that border immediately on Mexico -- far western Texas, southern New Mexico, southern Arizona -- are just like central Australia, in so far they have just one main rainy season. And that main rainy season is the summer, not the winter. Here are some rainfall charts for Tuscon, La Paz (northern Mexico), and El Paso, showing the summer rainfall spike:



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Conversely, the more northernly regions of the semi-arid and desert American West -- Idaho, Utah, northern Nevada (i.e. Reno), eastern Washington, and eastern Oregon -- receive most of their rainfall in winter, and are driest in summer, as demonstrated by the second set of charts above, which plot rainfall for Elko (Nevada), Boise, Reno, Salt Lake city, and Adaven (also Nevada).

So if one lives in southern California, and is habituated to dry summers, one might be surprised to find oneself experiencing a wet summer in El Paso. Or if on lives in eastern Oregon, and is habituated to wet winters with plenty of rainfall, one might surprised to find oneself experiencing a very dry winter in Tuscon, and the Sonoron desert going south; and so too in the Chihuahuan desert in northern Mexico.

As per central Australia, in these deserts rainfall collection on the roof will not work during the winter months, because there will be relatively little rain. And probably an AWG will not work either. It might be humid enough, with relative humidity above the minimum 35 % threshold for AWG operation, but the temperature will be too low. Here are some more very complicated but very useful weather graphs for Phoenix, Tucson, Albuquerque, El Paso, Chihuahua (Mexico), and Monterrey (Mexico) -- see http://www.usa.climatemps.com , http://www.phoenix.climatemps.com , http://www.tucson.climatemps.com , http://www.albuquerque.climatemps.com , http://www.el-paso.climatemps.com , http://www.chihuahua.climatemps.com , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Humidity-perc,Chihuahua,Mexico , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahua_City , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahua_(state) , http://www.monterrey.climatemps.com , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterrey , http://www.baja-california.climatemps.com , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Paz,_Baja_California_Sur :



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One of these weather graphs, for Chihuahua, is less complicated and more straightforward. But I have reason to suspect that the website on which I found it -- a website that provides relatively simple graphs such as this one, graphs that are much easier to understand -- may not be using completely accurate data.

Notice just how bad relative humidity gets just before the summer wet season, in March/April/May/June. Give or take a month, relative humidity plunges to less than 30 % in all of the American cities shown. Indeed, in El Paso and Tuscon, relative humidity rises significantly above 35 % for only two months a year, in December and January. In Phoenix it's just 3 months, December/January/February; and in Albuquerque, just 4 months, from November through February;

Chihuahua in Mexico, on the other hand, is much better from the point of view of relative humidity. But not precipitation. Again, this might be quite surprising if one were habituated to associating high humidity with high levels of rainfall. Even in the rainiest months Chihuahua gets only 3.1 mm, versus 41.7 mm for Albuquerque in August, or 43.2 mm of rainfall for El Paso in September. But relative humidity in Chihuahua stays above 35 % for 9 months of the year, from June to the following year's February. In Chihuahua relative humidity only drops below 35 % in March, April, and May. In Monterrey Mexico -- which sits on the edge of the Chihuahuan desert, but is still located in an arid region -- there is a summer rainfall spike, and a comparatively dry winter. But humidity in Monterrey never drops below 55 % in any month. Similarly, in La Paz on the Baja peninsula, although rainfall falls to next to nothing from March to June, relative humidity always remains very high, above 65 %, and in a number of months closer to 70 %.

In the case of La Paz in Baja California, we are dealing with something known as a "Coastal Fog Desert", which I will discuss further along. In the case of Chihuahua and Monterrey, quite honestly I don't know what is going on, and why they are able to maintain such high relative humidity levels in the spring, in contrast to Phoenix, Tuscon, et al.....???

The upshot is then something like this. In Tuscon there's rainfall from July to January, almost two seasons. But if the TerraLiner were to pass through Tucson from February to June, rainfall collection on the roof would be dismal, and an AWG would not work either. The picture is much the same in El Paso, Phoenix and Albuquerque, except that one might be able to still use an AWG as late as March. In all of these cities relative humidity does not rise above 35 % until August. But by then the TerraLiner would have been collecting peak rainfall on the roof already in July.

Notice how relative humidity in these cities does seem to correlate with rainfall, at least in the summer months. Relative humidity drops to rock-bottom just before rainfall arrives in June, and then begins escalating again as the summer rainy season works itself out. Furthermore, relative humidity remains comparatively high, many months after the peak summer rainfall season is over. One might call this "residual relative humidity persistence", although I suspect that the season being winter and cold may also have something to do with it. Spring and early summer are then the low-humidity problematic seasons, not the beginning or middle of winter. Of course in all of these American southwestern cities, high relative humidity in the winter won't do much good, because from November to March these cities have average temperatures that hover near or below the 15.5 degree Celsius operating limit of an AWG.


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9. Arid and Desert Regions with "summer-rainy" climates located nearer to the Equator are the problem


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In any case, the point has been made. One might think that with rooftop rainwater collection combined with one or two AWGs, the TerraLiner should be able to glamp just about anywhere, and produce its own water autonomously. But this is simply not true.

In the southern hemisphere especially, over most of the land surface, the TerraLiner will have a problem in the winter and spring creating its own water using an AWG. Either because the temperature will be too low, or there won't be enough humidity, or both. And rainfall collection on the roof will prove no alternative, because rainfall will be low, too. The same holds true for the more southerly portions of the Sonoran and Chihuahuan deserts in the winter, although for some reason relative humidity seems to remain higher in the south, in Mexico. However, even though La Paz, Chichuahua, and Monterrey will have adequate winter humidity, in La Paz and Monterrey the temperature will be too cold in December and January for an AWG to work, and in Chihuahua, from November to March.

I haven't examined equivalent northern-hemisphere desert and arid regions in Africa and Asia, but one suspects that somewhat similar patterns would emerge. Namely, that in the more northerly desert and arid regions, winter would be the rainy season, and summer the dry. Whereas in more southerly deserts and arid regions, summer would be the wet month, and winter the dry. A very cursory glance at the weather graphs for Timuktu Mali, and Khartoum Sudan, would seem to confirm this -- see http://www.timbuktu.climatemps.com and http://www.khartoum.climatemps.com


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I will leave it up to the reader to affirm that the opposite is true of desert locations further north: desert locations where -- as per southern Idaho, Utah, Nevada, etc. -- winter is the rainy month.

Notice that I haven't talked much about "colder" desert climates, because they are far less problematic. If winter is the rainy month, then no problem: the TerraLiner would just collect rainwater on the roof. Furthermore, in more northerly desert climates during the summer months the temperature would usually be high enough for an AWG to work, even though these deserts are more northerly. So if there's no rainfall but enough humidity (near the ocean or a major body of water there usually is), then an AWG should be able to compensate for the low rainfall. Put succinctly, in desert climates further away from the equator, the TerraLiner shouldn't have much a problem, save for those locations distant from the ocean or a major body of water, locations where humidity would be very low in the summer.

Rather, the real problem is arid and desert climates located nearer to the equator, locations that have "summer rainy" climates. The really tough areas from the point of view of autonomous TerraLiner water production, are those desert locations where only mid-to-late-summer travel would be possible, because only then could the TerraLiner collect water on the roof. In the other three seasons an AWG will have been eliminated as a viable alternative, because of the low temperature, or lack of sufficient humidity, or both. There is at least this consolation: when driving through the American West, obtaining good drinking water would be easy, no matter what the season, because the United States is a First-World country. So if the TerraLiner found itself near Tucson, Arizona, between February and June, even if it could not produce its own water, it would still be able to find good drinking water in any town or city.

But what about a Third World country where this is not true? And where winter and spring might be a bad time for both rooftop rainwater collection, and one or two AWGs? What about a Third World country where one would not want to just fill up the with water available "on tap" in towns and cities, nor would one want to lay down a hose and pull up groundwater from a lake or stream, because the watershed in general -- and the water supply in most cities -- is so utterly contaminated?

As it turns out, it's not just arid and desert climates situated closer to the equator that have cool-dry winters, and warm-wet summers. This is also the pattern for a classic "monsoon climate", the climate found throughout much of South and Southeast Asia. This is the climate most characteristic of India.



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10. India: a subcontinent in the Northern Hemisphere where maximal TerraLiner water autonomy would be highly desirable, but difficult to achieve


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This will not seem obvious at first, but much of India presents exactly the same climate conundrums as arid and desert regions located nearer to the equator. Even though strictly speaking only Rajasthan in northern India could be classified as "desert", the rest of India poses exactly the same kinds of obstacles to autonomous-water-production, as Alice Springs or Wiluna in central Australia.

However, Australia is a First-World country. So as per the United Sates, if the TerraLiner finds itself in a place and season in Australia when neither rooftop rainwater collection nor an AWG will work, there is always the easy backup of buying water in a town or city. Even in the middle of the Australian outback, there will be potable water uncontaminated by human fecal matter.

The same, unfortunately, is not true for India.

Imagining how one might travel India with the TerraLiner then becomes a rather vexing puzzle. India will prove far more challenging from a water-autonomy point of view than Australia, because in India one one will want to completely avoid using a hose to draw groundwater from a lake or stream. So too, one will not want to obtain water in a local town or city. It's a good idea to start from the basic premise that all water in India is contaminated by human fecal matter. The only exception would be mineral water sold in bottles that have tamper-proof caps. Bottled mineral wear is sold throughout India, and sold especially to foreign travelers, who can afford it, and who would be well-advised to never drink anything else. They would also be advised to check that the seal on the tamper-proof cap is not broken, before buying and then drinking the bottle's contents.....:sombrero:

With that cautionary note struck, India deserves extensive consideration because it is a very big country, with lots of things to see and do, and some wonderful wildlife reserves. But at the same time, there is perhaps no other country on earth where genuine, 100 % “water autonomy” would be more desirable, because India has such a serious open defecation problem. The TerraLiner’s potential to provide complete water autonomy in India would make it a great vehicle with which to tour the country. But even the TerraLiner cannot collect rainfall from the roof when there is no rain, or convert humidity to water when there is no humidity.

The ultimate solution in the case of a country like India, will be to carefully plan an itinerary such that 100 % TerraLiner water autonomy becomes possible for the entire journey. For that, one needs to investigate local climate conditions to a fairly detailed level, and one then needs to construct “water autonomous” itineraries based on that research. Below I will provide some “rough sketch” drafts of possible water-autonomous itineraries, but they are merely preliminary. These sketches are merely intended as suggestive research, not exhaustive, helping to delineate the operational possibilities of a Bliss-mobil-type rooftop rainwater system combined with one or two AWGs, as well as the very real limits of such a system in the Third World. TerraLiner water autonomy can be achieved in a country like India, but as we will see, it will take some careful forethought and planning to pull it off.



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11. The Design Ethics of TerraLiner Water Autonomy


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The larger issue will be this. TerraLiner water autonomy might be a design goal for different reasons. For those who love glamping in the middle of deserts where rainfall is scarce, but humidity abundant, water autonomy provided by one or two AWGs would allow one to remain remote and "away from civilization" for that much longer. But for me personally, one of the biggest potential advantages of maximal water autonomy, would be the hydrological "insulation" it provides against surrounding human-feces-filled Third World watersheds. Sorry to be so direct about such matters, but India's big rivers are no longer rivers, but rather, they are open sewers. And the same is true in a number of other overpopulated Third World countries.

As made clear earlier in the post, I don't think there is anything at all romantic, intelligent, or noble about pretending to "go native" by drinking local unbottle freshwater, or eating local uncooked food in such countries. From bitter personal experience, I've learnt that such pseudo-ethical romanticism is profoundly stupid, and should be viewed contemptuously as a form of hippie-pretentious "slumming". Call it "hydrological slumming".

If one is not sympathetic to this line of thought, then perhaps one should simply skip the next 6 or 7 posts. The amount of thought that I will put into imagining how a water-autonomous TerraLiner might completely escape having to use Indian groundwater, may give some people the creeps. They may think it unethical to travel with the TerraLiner to somewhere like India, and refuse to "participate" in the local hydrological cycle, even if it is thoroughly contaminated with human fecal matter. But I have given this a great deal of thought (and then some), and I've come to the precise opposite conclusion. I have concluded that it is immoral to not try to maintain one's heath in a Third World country like India, especially if one is a privileged, educated westerner who knows how to do so. On my own view, it is highly ethical to design a motorhome for maximal water autonomy in the Third World, and it's the reverse that would be irresponsible.

This fundamental "ethical" stance or "moral point of view" will inform the next 6 or 7 posts. So if the reader disagrees with it, the reader could just skip them.....:ylsmoke:


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12. India's Extreme Drought/Monsoon Climate


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As per Australia or the southern part of Africa, India is a climatological context that completely confounds European and North American intuitions. Westerners usually think of India as a warm and rather wet sort of country. But rainfall in India is ultra-seasonal, so much so that in the winter and spring months in India rooftop collection will simply not work. And in many areas AWG water production will not work either, because humidity will have crashed; especially in the spring months, and especially in the drier areas in the south, like central Karnataka.

In late November when coastal and northern India will still feel humid, and will still be receiving considerable rainfall, the southern Deccan plateau will be dry, the monsoon having retreated around the end of October. So by December rainfall will be very low on the south Deccan, just 14 mm on average in in Mysore, and 18 mm in Bangalore - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysore and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore . In January this drops further to just 5 mm in Mysore, and 2 mm n Bangalore:



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According to Wikipedia, in January average relative humidity in Bangalore is still 60 %. But the Deccan plateau north of Bangalore is even drier. The central Deccan plateau has an annual rainfall level comparable to Rajasthan, which classifies as desert in the west, and semi-arid in the east. Sure, in December the temperature in the souther Deccan will be warm enough for an AWG to operate. But my guess is that an AWG will produce very little or no water in many areas. The same will certainly be true in the Thar desert and Rajastan during the winter, where the temperature might also be so low that an AWG could not work in any case.

On the other hand, the northern part of India and especially the Ganges plain is very foggy and humid during the winter, from December to the end of January:







These are the areas in the second map above colored blue, and labeled "humid subtropical". For the best summaries of why fog forms in India and seasonal fog conditions in different regions, see https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-plains-in-northern-India-exceptionally-foggy-during-the-winter and http://www.skymetweather.com/conten...sis/reasons-behind-formation-of-fog-in-india/ , and also see http://www.ursi.org/proceedings/procga05/pdf/AP.4(0804).pdf and http://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Plains_and_its_influence_on_solar_irradiance . By "very foggy" I mean fog so thick that visibility is seriously compromised, and highway accidents dramatically increase -- see http://www.skymetweather.com/conten...is/band-of-cloud-dislodges-fog-in-east-india/ and http://www.skymetweather.com/content/weather-news-and-analysis/fog-in-india/ .

So if temperature were not an obstacle, in the more northerly parts of India and especially the Ganges plain, an AWG might eliminate the need to draw water from the ground.

The following is a map of absolute minimum temperatures in India, used by landscape architects as a guideline so that they won't specify plants that will freeze to death in winter. Notice how there is considerable overlap of the "Ferrari Red" area in the map below -- where the absolute minimum temperature ranges from 4.5 degrees Celsius, to 10 degrees Celsius -- and the northern "blue zone" of high humidity in the second map above:



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For instance, the holy city of Varanasi on the Ganges is quite far north, and definitely in the humid blue zone. Every time that I have I've visited Varanasi in winter, it has been shrouded in fog and mist. While winter temperatures in Varanasi can drop to as low as 8 degrees Celsius, they can also run as high as 25 degrees Celsius, even during the coldest months of December and January -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,varanasi,India . So perhaps at least 50 % of the time during December and January an AWG should run quite well in Varanasi, producing water even though it is the winter dry season.

Patna and Lucknow have seasonal temperature profiles very similar to Varanasi -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Patna,India and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,lucknow,India . So let's consider Chandigarh, a city located just below the Himalayan foothills, and much further north, but still in the blue humid zone -- see https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...0x390fed0be66ec96b:0xa5ff67f9527319fe!6m1!1e1 . Here minimum temperatures in December and January are the same, about 8 degrees Celsius, but maximums are lower, more like 20 degrees Celsius -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,chand-garh,India . Even still, at least part of the time an AWG should work during the winter in Chandigarh, too.

Note that New Delhi locates outside the northern humid-blue zone, which surprised me, because I also strongly associate winters in New Delhi with fog, as corroborated by the webpages about north Indian fog already mentioned, and he following very descriptive video:






Also see the Wikipedia article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Delhi . This article states that New Delhi's monsoon is over by the end of September, and from October through to the end of May, Delhi is very dry. New Delhi receives the bulk of its precipitation in just two months, July and August, and by March and June relative humidity drops to 47 % and 46 % respectively. In April and May humidity drops as low as 34 % and 33 %. And yet New Delhi's "dry" winters are paradoxically thick with fog.

With that said, by late February and March almost all of India will be scorching hot and very dry. For an excellent collection of seasonal rainfall maps of India, see http://www.imd.gov.in/section/climate/climate-rain.htm , and for January through May (two maps), see http://www.imd.gov.in/section/climate/jan-feb-rainfall.htm and http://www.imd.gov.in/section/climate/mar-may-rainfall.htm :



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So by late February roof-top rain collection + an AWG will prove completely insufficient in most places in India. I myself was a bit surprised to see that literally everywhere in India has virtually "rainless" months from December through March, including the "tropical wet" coast of Kerala -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,kovalam,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,alleppey,India , and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,cochin,India .

From Chennai (formerly Madras) up through Machilipatnam on the east coast, and then on to Kolkata (formerly Calcutta); from Himalayan cities like Gangtok and Darjeeling in the eastern Himalayas, over to Rishikesh and Simla in the western Himalayas; from New Delhi down to Mumbai (formerly Bombay), and then on to Hyderabad in the center: the entire Indian subcontinent literally bakes from December to April -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Machilipatnam,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Calcutta,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,gangtok,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,darjeeling,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,rish-kesh,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,shimla,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,New-Delhi,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,mumbai,India , and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,hyderabad,India .

Then around May or June, depending on the region -- and as early as March/April in southern Kerala -- the exact opposite happens, and the monsoon arrives. The sub-continent becomes soaked in an deluge of rain, and everywhere becomes very humid -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsoon_of_South_Asia :



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The smaller inset maps in the first, black-and-white image say it all. In July, India is completely covered in grey and in some areas it's black, because there is so much rainfall. Whereas in January, almost all of India is bone-white, because there is no rain anywhere. This is really quite startling, and I wouldn't believe it or really understand it myself, if I hadn't been to India so many times. Much of the Indian subcontinent alternates between desert-like levels of low rainfall during the dry months, and an equatorial-tropical flood of rainfall in other the wet months.

On a global-comparative level, only a few other places on earth outside the polar regions see such extreme seasonal fluctuations in water availability as India. The following map from the online "Aqueduct: Water Risk Atlas" charts and ranks seasonal water variability worldwide -- see http://www.wri.org/applications/map...=ind-1!prj-1&l=3&b=terrain&m=single-SV&init=y :




Notice how even most of the semi-arid and desert regions in the American Southwest, Peru, Chile, Argentina, the middle-east, and Australia do not have seasonal variability as extreme as India. Only the northern coast of Australia, which also has a monsoon climate, western Madagascar, the Sahel, and the central Sahara, have seasonal variability comparable to India's.

Within India there is some variation between "High Seasonal Variability" and "Extreme Seasonal Variability". But quite honestly, it seems that the only real difference between India's various regions when it comes to seasonal precipitation, is just how long the monsoon will last, and how long they will bake once it's over.

For instance in Chennai, January through April are very dry months, just like everywhere else. And like everywhere else in India, rainfall begins returning to Chennai in May. But rainfall doesn't peak in Chennai in July or August, as it does in Kolkata, New Delhi, and Hyderabad. Rather, in Chennai the level of rainfall keeps on building, and November is the wettest month -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chennai#Climate and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,chennai,India . Similarly, Kerala is not a wet, lush, very green region of India because it misses the winter dry season of December through March. Kerala also bakes in these months. Rather, Kerala is lush because rainfall continues right through to the end of November. Whereas as we already saw above, in New Delhi the monsoon season is over by the end of September -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,New-Delhi,India .

Again, this presents somewhat of a vexing problem for the goal of TerraLiner autonomous water production, because January and February are usually considered ideal months for travel in south India. But would they be ideal months for the TerraLiner, if there's no rainfall, and low humidity? Needless to say, given my earlier posts about "open defecation", India is the very last place on earth that the TerraLiner would want to draw water from the ground -- see http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...igid-Torsion-Free-Frame?p=1924026#post1924026 and http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...igid-Torsion-Free-Frame?p=1924028#post1924028 above. On the other hand, traveling India during the rainy monsoon season is also difficult, because there is a great deal of flooding, roads and bridges get washed out, and the air becomes too hot and humid.



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A. How the TerraLiner might travel in northern India and remain water-autonomous: a preliminary sketch


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Now the monsoon does trail off in many places, and does not necessarily end abruptly everywhere. In September and October much more moderate residual rainfall continues in the higher Himalayan regions of India and Nepal --see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,kathmandu,Nepal, https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Pokhara,Nepal , and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,nagarkot,Nepal . Only in November does rainfall really stop. So perhaps if the TerraLiner were to to descend from Tibet via Nepal around mid-September, it could spend late September through December traveling the Himalayas, still picking up some residual rainfall on the roof?

Autumn is by far the best time of year to see the Himalayas, because the vegetation is bright green with new growth, the monsoon is receding, and there is sunshine. And as already shown above, on many days (I am still not certain how many) the Ganges plain gets covered by intense fog during December and January. So even once rooftop rain collection stops working on the Ganges around October, the TerraLiner might still be able to "glamp" the Buddhist trail, for instance (Lumbini-Kusinara-Vaishali-Raigir-BodhGaya-Sarnath), living off AWG-produced water alone -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_pilgrimage . If this could be sustained until mid-February, then the TerraLiner might be able to carve out a good stretch of 5 - 6 months' travel in northern India, without having to draw water from a ground source even once.

Because the TerraLiner slow-travels, it would come down from Tibet where it had spent the summer, descending into Nepal via the Friendship Highway, and then heading west to spend two months glamped in just one spot in or near the Annapurna Sanctuary. It would use the TOAD to visit various locations in central Nepal.

The next stop would be somewhere in the region between Jim Corbett National Park and Shimla, i.e. somewhere in Himachal Pradesh or Uttarakhand. Uttarakhand and the immediately adjacent state of Himachal Pradesh constitute one of the densest concentrations of national parks and forest reserves in India: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place...m2!3m1!1s0x3909dcc202279c09:0x7c43b63689cc005 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protected_areas_of_Uttarakhand , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:National_parks_of_Uttarakhand , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wildlife_sanctuaries_of_Uttarakhand , http://www.sanctuariesindia.com/states/wildlife-sanctuaries-in-uttarakhand/ , http://www.uttarakhandtourism.net/wild_life.htm , http://forest.uk.gov.in/pages/display/80-protected-area-network , http://www.uttarakhandguide.com/parks-and-sanctuary/ , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_areas_of_Himachal_Pradesh , http://www.sanctuariesindia.com/states/wildlife-sanctuaries-in-himachal-pradesh/ , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Himalayan_National_Park , http://greathimalayannationalpark.com , http://hillpost.in/2005/10/the-great-himalayan-national-park/138/ , http://www.himachalworld.com/himachal/himachal-wildlife-parks-and-sanctuaries.html , http://hpforest.nic.in/pages/view/25-wildlife-sanctuaries , and http://www.hptdc.gov.in :



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Add to that Rishikesh and its many Yoga and meditation centers, and it seems that somewhere in the mountains behind Dehradun, there must be a perfect location for the TerraLiner to glamp, stationed at the very "epicenter" of all the attractions.

Many people don't realize it, but despite its population problem, India has made a huge effort to set aside parks and protected areas for wildlife -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_areas_of_India , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Indian_National_Parks_and_Wildlife_Sanctuaries , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_parks_of_India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife_sanctuaries_of_India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserved_forests_and_protected_forests_of_India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_forests_of_India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_reserves_of_India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_areas_of_India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_reserves_and_community_reserves_of_India , and http://www.conservationindia.org . The system is vast and quite an accomplishment, for a Third World nation that is so overpopulated:



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Within a system that is so impressive, "Project Tiger" and its network of Tiger Reserves really stands out -- see http://projecttiger.nic.in , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Tiger , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_reserves_of_India , http://www.wpsi-india.org/tiger/tiger_reserves.php , http://mrunal.org/2012/10/environme...-project-tiger-ntca-guidelines-explained.html , http://www.panthera.org/node/604 , http://travel.cnn.com/mumbai/life/india-bans-tiger-tourism-149504 , and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6k4cVu7gWw33Mx2H5hi3visw0FapiiNT :



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Jim Corbett National Park and Rajiji National Parks, both in Uttarakhand, contain two such Tiger reserves -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Corbett_National_Park , http://www.corbettonline.uk.gov.in , http://www.lonelyplanet.com/india/uttarakhand-uttaranchal/corbett-tiger-reserve , http://www.corbetttigerreserve.co.in , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajaji_National_Park , and http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-r...arakhand-gets-its-second-tiger-reserve-756698 .



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A. Where the TerraLiner might glamp in Uttarakhand


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India and Nepal are not exactly overflowing with RV campgrounds, but they do have lots of "camps" (i.e. collections of tent-bungalows) set in natural areas. For instance, see the list of the 50 best Indian camps at http://www.thrillophilia.com/blog/camps-of-india-50-best-one/ .

There are many such "camps" in the Shimla area, and Jim Corbett National Park also has its "Forest Rest Houses" located inside the park -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Corbett_National_Park , http://www.corbettonline.uk.gov.in/CTRMap.aspx , http://www.corbettonline.uk.gov.in/CTRVisitorsFacilities.aspx , http://corbettonline.uk.gov.in/CTRWhereToStay.aspx , http://www.corbettnationalpark.in/forest_rest_houses_popup.htm , http://corbettonline.uk.gov.in/BijraniZone.aspx , http://corbettonline.uk.gov.in/DhikalaZone.aspx , http://www.corbettnationalpark.in/dhikala-forest-lodge.htm , http://corbettonline.uk.gov.in/JhirnaZone.aspx , http://corbettonline.uk.gov.in/SonanadiZone.aspx , http://www.corbettnationalpark.in , http://www.corbettnationalpark.in/index.htm , http://www.corbettnationalpark.in/ctr_visit_transport.htm , http://www.corbettonline.uk.gov.in/CTRImportantLinks.aspx , and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq8nfzUXGrJP7FTqD8pM6F0XH5lX8Lzjm :



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But who knows if the TerraLiner would be allowed to reside inside Jim Corbett National park, for a period as long as two months......? :coffee:

Again, I think the key here is to get creative, realizing that the TerrraLiner will have some unique glamping capabilities, because it will be so autonomous in terms of water and power production. Ergo, the TerraLiner can glamp on a large farm, security-protected by the farmer's ingrained sense of property rights.

In Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand there aren't exactly that many large "farms", but there are lots of large tea estates:



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And some of them have already set themselves up as part-time or even full-time "agriturismi" -- see http://www.cntraveller.in/story/10-secret-homestays-himalayas , http://www.greavesindia.com/blog/posts/2013/october/india's-best-tea-plantation-hotels/ , http://www.holidify.com/blog/tea-plantations-in-india/ , http://www.chatpatadun.com/unexplored_dun/96/kasauni_tea_estate_uttarakhand.phtml , http://www.cottagerentals.in/cottages-in-kangra-tea-estate.html , http://www.darangteaestate.com/aboutus.html , and http://www.darangteaestate.com/contactus.html . There is even a special name for this type of accommodation: it's called "Tea Tourism."

When most people think of tea and Indian hill-stations, they tend to think of Darjeeling in the north and perhaps Ooty in the south. But there are literally scores of hill-stations in India, not just a few, and many of them still untouristed, as the following articles and maps make clear: http://www.thrillophilia.com/blog/52-best-hill-stations-in-india/ , http://www.thrillophilia.com/blog/hill-stations-in-india-for-honeymoon/ , http://goindia.about.com/od/mountains/tp/top-10-hill-stations-in-india.htm , http://www.cntraveller.in/story/14-india-s-most-loved-hill-stations , http://www.skyscanner.co.in/news/8-unspoiled-hill-stations-visit-india-everyone-else-gets-there , http://www.tripoto.com/trip/uttarakhand-s-18-hill-stations-a-paradise-7597, and https://www.tourmyindia.com/blog/less-explored-hill-stations-uttarakhand/ :



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Iit's precisely at these hill stations that one finds tea plantations. All of this would need to be researched much further, and I am just rough-sketching here.

If a tea plantation that were willing to rent space to the TerraLiner were located somewhere near Dehradun, then Hardiwar and Risihkesh would be just 1 1/2 or 2 hours away by TOAD, Jim Corbettt National Park would be 4 hours away, Simla would be 6 hours away, Dharamshala would be 9 hours away, Gangotri National Park would be 7 hours away, and Nanda Devi National Park would also be 7 hours away. Now if the tea plantation were near a hill station like Auli, Nanda Devi National Park would be much closer, less than an hour away, but other places would be further away. For instance, Simla would increase to 13 hours distant, and Rishikesh would be 6 hours away -- see https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/A...56ca6555a38!2m2!1d79.8386542!2d30.6587637!3e0 , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auli , http://www.goibibo.com/travel-guide/india/destination-auli/ , http://www.goibibo.com/travel-guide/india/destination-auli/weather/ , http://www.nainitaltourism.com/Auli/Weather_Climate_Auli.html , and https://www.truewanderers.in/travelogues/entry/567.html .

Chopta
hill station, on the other hand, would be 4 hours away from Nanda Devi National Park, but only 10 1/2 hours to Simla, and 4 hours to Rishikesh -- see https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/C...56ca6555a38!2m2!1d79.8386542!2d30.6587637!3e0 , https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/C...ff6ff9f54b7!2m2!1d77.1734033!2d31.1048145!3e0 , and http://chopta.co.in

Here is an incredibly idyllic video of Chopta, and a much longer video of sights in Uttarakhand:






Also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2BgT5JqxMM , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EzhUblb8s4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvS_qTnSvos , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4srUcgXgqFM , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTj2j2Gcujg , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN35-sF9Uvo , and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns0-N0Z_Jxw :



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B. Could there be rainfall in the Himalayas even in November and December, if the elevation were high enough?


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In the winter Auli especially seems to be covered in snow (it's a ski resort), which makes me wonder: in the higher reaches of the Himalayas, there must be precipitation even in December and January, otherwise these locations would not have snow cover?

On the one hand, Shimla (elevation 2,205 m, or 7100 feet) is very dry from October to March -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,shimla,India and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimla . And in October and November of this year (2015), Joshimath, which is located just below Auli (they are almost the same place), is forecast to have sunny days and no rain on almost every single day -- see http://www.accuweather.com/en/in/joshimath/196519/october-weather/196519 , http://www.accuweather.com/en/in/joshimath/196519/november-weather/196519 , and https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/J...2e1687064c57a6d!2m2!1d79.5519144!2d30.5408823 . The historical average for Joshimath is 231 mm of rainfall in June, 617 mm of rainfall in July, 660 mm of rainfall in August, 288 mm of rainfall in September, and then just 53 mm of rainfall in October -- see http://www.msn.com/en-gb/weather/records/Joshimath,India/we-city-30.546,79.564?iso=IN . In November it's even worse, just 6 mm of rainfall; December is 9 mm, January 43 mm, February 59 mm, and then precipitation begins dropping again in March to 37 mm, April 30 mm, and May 56 mm.

So perhaps videos of Auli covered in snow are a bit deceiving? Or perhaps they were only shot in February? See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EzhUblb8s4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryjp2OI-rPU .

On the other hand, Auli has an elevation of 3049 m, whereas Joshimath is much lower, at 1875 m -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotirmath . The forecast for Auli in October is light rain on many days -- see http://www.skymetweather.com/forecast/weather/india/uttarakhand/chamoli/auli/extended-forecast/ . Whereas the same website concurs with MSN and Accuweather regarding Joshimath, predicting mostly sunny days in October, and no rain -- see http://www.skymetweather.com/forecast/weather/india/uttarakhand/chamoli/joshimath/extended-forecast/ . So perhaps the 1,174 m difference in altitude between Joshimath and Auli explains the difference in their "out of monsoon season" levels of precipitation? Unfortunately, MSN does not provide historical weather date for Auli, only for Joshimath.

Similarly, Chopta, which is also much higher than Joshimath, sits at 2680 m above sea level (8,790 feet), and both Accuweather and "Skymet" predict that about 1/3 of the days in October and November in Chopta will be cloudy or partially cloudy, with light rain -- see http://www.skymetweather.com/foreca...akhand/rudra prayag/chopta/extended-forecast/ , http://www.accuweather.com/en/in/chopta/3002383/october-weather/3002383 , http://www.accuweather.com/en/in/chopta/3002383/november-weather/3002383 , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopta .
Chopta seems like an absolutely wonderful spot, and the more I research it, the more enthusiastic I find myself becoming -- see http://chopta.co.in/chopta-mini-switzerlan-india/ , http://wikitravel.org/en/Chopta , http://uttarakhandtourism.gov.in/utdb/?q=chopta , http://www.beingtraveler.com/2010/04/chopta.html , https://plus.google.com/photos/+MagpieBharatPuspwa2,n/albums/5791701862308957681 , http://www.naturelovers.co.in/uttrakhand/chopta/ , http://www.chopta.in , http://www.chopta.in/hotels-in-chopta , and http://www.chopta.in/magpie-eco-tourist-village-chopta . There are lots of photos of Chopta covered in snow in the winter, which is a good sign -- see http://chopta.co.in/chopta-photo-gallery/winter-photo-gallery/ .

In greater detail, here are some distances between Chopta and various major destinations that the TOAD might want to explore on day-trips, or 2-to-4 day trips with overnight stays.

From Chopta to Ukimath, a nearby Hindu pilgrimage site, 2 hours (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukhimath ); to Devprayang, another Hindu holy site, 2 hours (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devprayag ); to Kedarnath, an important Hindu holy town, 2 1/2 hours (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedarnath and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kedarnath_Temple ); to Rishikesh 3 1/2 hours; to Hardiwar 4 1/2 hours; to Auli 4 hours; to Nanda Devi National Park 4 hours; to Badrinath, an important Hindu holy town located inside Nanda Devi National Park, 5 hours (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badrinath and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badrinath_Temple ); to Rajaji National Park 5 hours; to Dehradun 5 hours; to Mussorie, a famous hill station above Dehradun, 6 hours; to Yamunotri, an important Hindu pilgrimage site, 6 1/2 hours, above which there is Govind Pashu Vihar National Park and Sanctuary, accessible only by trekking (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamunotri , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamuna_in_Hinduism , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govind_Pashu_Vihar_National_Park_and_Sanctuary ) ; to Gangotri, yet another Hindu pilgrimage town, and also the entrance to Gangotri National Park, 7 hours (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangotri ); to Jim Corbett National Park 7 hours; to Meerut, an important ancient city, 8 hours (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meerut ); to New Delhi, on the same road as Meerut, 9 hours; to Shimla 10 hours; and to Dharamsala 14 hours. Also see http://www.chopta.in/how-to-reach-chopta .

In other words, Chopta seems very central, located nicely equidistant between Yamunotri in one direction, and Jim Corbett National Park in the other, both about 7 hours by TOAD. Or Chopta is equidistant between Rajaji National Park and Badrinath.

Further north, about 2 hours from Chopta, there is a particularly magical spot called Deoria Tal (i.e. Deoria lake) -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deoria_Tal ,http://chopta.co.in/deoria-tal/ , http://chopta.co.in/chopta-photo-gallery/ , http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti...Deoria_Tal_Lake-Rudra_Prayag_Uttarakhand.html , http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUser...Deoria_Tal_Lake-Rudra_Prayag_Uttarakhand.html , http://www.uttarakhandguide.com/adventure-sports/trekking/deoria-tal-trek/ , http://www.euttaranchal.com/tourism/deoriyatal.php , https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/C...edb37dd2aa3b9dc!2m2!1d79.1269817!2d30.5218818 , and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVWIVT2lYDo :






Deoria Tall is a bit lower than Chopta, at 2,438 m. But like Chopta, there are some photos on the web of Deoria Tal covered by snow in the winter -- see http://chopta.co.in/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/deoria-tal.jpg , http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UOw7QnbDb...1uQ/s1600/deoria+tal+landscape+with+trees.jpg , http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2264/209633106889f7c2db77o.jpg , http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PrcQM3WhM...lk/OemwV0S6jKg/s1600/deoria+tal+landscape.jpg , and https://www.truewanderers.in/travelogues/entry/567.html .

According to a particularly detailed description of Deoria Tal, to arrange a tent with breakfast and dinner included costs about 300 - 500 rupees per person, or about 4 Euros to 7 Euros per day -- see http://devilonwheels.com/camps-or-tents-at-deoria-tal-hotel-review/. If dinner and breakfast were not included, and the stay were long-term, perhaps about 15 Euros per day for two people + TerraLiner should suffice. According to the same description, the road up to the lake from Sari is "not motorable". But I wonder what this means, i.e. if it's the kind of road that only a 4x4 -- or the TerraLiner!! -- could climb? See http://devilonwheels.com/camps-or-tents-at-deoria-tal-hotel-review/ and https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/S...7dd2aa3b9dc!2m2!1d79.1269817!2d30.5218818!3e0 . On Google Maps the last bit of the road is a squiggly line in grey, and in satellite view, it has to be admitted that the path, called "Deoriya Taal Paidal Marg", looks none too promising -- see https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/D...62fd6444!2m2!1d79.133777!2d30.5183055!1m0!3e0 .

But gosh, what a spot: backed by a large swathe of forest.... On the other hand, Deoria Tal would be much less "central" than Chopta.

In short, perhaps elevation really does matter, and the TerraLiner simply needs to seek out glampsites in Nepal and northern India that lie above 2,500 m, or 8,000 feet?


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C. Bodh Gaya


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Finally, for the last two months in January and February, the TerraLiner might make arrangements with one of the numerous Buddhist monasteries located at Bodh-Gaya, to reside safely inside a monastic compound, while the TOAD explores major sites of Buddhist pilgrimage -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodh_Gaya , http://wikitravel.org/en/Bodh_Gaya , and https://www.google.com/maps/place/B...32c5fbc12ed3d:0x9bbc5dccc57d96e!6m1!1e1?hl=en :






As already discussed above, northern India experiences intense fog during December and January, and Bodh Gaya is no exception. The following is a very interesting video, titled "Bodh Gaya in Fog", which documents the city in January, during the annual teaching of the Dalai Llama. It draws an interesting visual contrast between the "real" Bodh Gaya of litter, dirt, and abject poverty, versus the "spiritually touristic" side of Bodh Gaya, complete with Japanese pilgrims wearing masks, because Bodh Gaya's winter fog is also smog:






But I figure that as long as the TerraLiner has a sufficiently effective water-purificaton system that might also screen out "aerosol" pollutants mixed with the fog, this fog would prove a blessing. At least it would not contain fecal matter and water-borne pathogens of human origin.....:Wow1:

Bodh-Gaya would make an excellent "base of operations" from which to do the Buddhist circuit, as well as visit more places important to Hindus. For instance, from Bodh-Gaya to Lumbini, the Buddha's birthplace in southern Nepal, would take about 10 hours by TOAD; to Kusinara, where the Buddha died, would take 7 hours (these designations lie on exactly the same route, and would logically be done together); to Sarnath, where the Buddha delivered his first teaching, would take about 5 hours; to Vaishili, about 4 hours; to Rajgir, only about 2 hours; to the ruins of Nalanda University, also just 2 hours (Nalanda was a major center of Buddhist learning, ransacked and destroyed by Muslim invaders circa 1200 CE -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda ); and to Varanasi, Hinduism's holy "City of Light", about 5 hours (see http://www.amazon.com/Banaras-Diana-L-Eck/dp/0231114478 0.

Varanasi is critically important holy city for Hindus, but other Hindu pilgrimage sites are more diffusely spread throughout India. When the TerraLiner was glamped in Uttarakhand, for instance, it would have been located very near two more holy cities, Hardiwar and Rishikesh. As well as four other locations considered sacred by Hindus: Badrinath, Kedarnath, Gangotri, and Yamunotri, already mentioned in the previous post. From Bodh-Gaya another important Indian holy city could be visited, 8 hours distant by TOAD: Ayodhya, the birthplace of Rama, and the setting for the great Indian epic called the Ramayana -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya . So too Allahabad is considered holy and might be worth a visit, 7 hours in the same direction as Ayodhya -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahabad . In the other direction, Puri on the coast is considered a major religious center, 14 hours by TOAD -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puri .

Gangtok in Sikkim would be 13 hours by TOAD, and a trip there might be combined with a few days in Bhutan, 22 hours away by TOAD independent of Sikkim. Sikkim and Bhutan combined would take 26 hours in total of road travel.

In addition, Bodh Gaya itself would be a great place to just sit, relax, and meditate. Bodh-Gaya is home to Buddhist monasteries representing almost all contemporary Buddhist nations and Buddhist sects:



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Most of them offer courses in meditation, so one could conceivably study Japanese Zen meditation one week, Thai Vipassana the next, and Tibetan Tantra the week after that.



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E. Extending the TerraLiner's sojourn in Assam, Arunchal Pradesh, and Bhutan


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Now the intense fog in northern India lasts until the end of January. So by the middle of February the TerraLiner might have to begin thinking about exiting India completely; and so too, perhaps, all of "northern South Asia". On-line there is good rainfall data for Varnassi and Patna, the cities situated closest to Bodh Gaya that share the same climate -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,varanasi,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varanasi , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Patna,India , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patna . Both cities bake from mid-February onwards, until early June, when the monsoon finally arrives. Bodh Gaya would be the same.

What are the alternatives? In Tibet it will still be very cold, and neighboring Third-World countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Myanmar are more or less in the same boat as India, because they too have monsoon climates.

The only possible exception might be the far-eastern Indian states of Assam and Aunchal Pradesh. In Assam's major city, Guwahiti, the monsoon arrives early, at the beginning of April -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guwahati and http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/records/Guwahati,Assam,India/we-city-26.184,91.752?iso=IN :



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Like Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakand, Assam and Arunchal Pradesh are heavily forested (Arunchal Pradesh even more so), and have extensive National Parks and Wildlife Sactuaries – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assam , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_areas_of_Assam m http://apfbcs.nic.in/about-assam.html , http://assamforest.in/common/ , http://assamforest.in/forestGlance/forest_atGlance_2011-12.pdf , http://www.assams.info/assam/forest-tree-cover-data-assam , http://www.sanctuariesindia.com/states/wildlife-sanctuaries-in-assam/ , http://assamforest.in/NP_Sanctuaries/index.php , and http://assamforest.in/environment/environment.php ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arunachal_Pradesh , http://arunachalpradesh.nic.in , http://arunachalforests.gov.in/forest statistics.html , http://arunachalpradesh.gov.in/forest.htm , http://www.sanctuariesindia.com/states/wildlife-sanctuaries-in-arunachal-pradesh/ , http://arunachalpradesh.gov.in/wildlife.htm , and http://arunachalforests.gov.in/Protected Areas.html :



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In Assam there is a major Tiger reserve at Kaziranga National Park, as well as two more Tiger reserves at Manas and Nameri National Parks – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaziranga_National_Park , http://wikitravel.org/en/Kaziranga_National_Park , http://kaziranga.assam.gov.in/wp/ , http://assamforest.in/NP_Sanctuaries/np_Kaziranga.php , http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/337 , and http://www.kaziranga.co.in ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manas_National_Park , http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/338 , http://www.conservation-development...keit/DVD_12_WHS/Material/files/WCMC_Manas.pdf , http://www.indiantiger.org/tiger-reserves-in-india/manas-tiger-reserves-in-india.html , and http://assamforest.in/NP_Sanctuaries/np_Manas.php ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nameri_National_Park , http://www.namerinationalpark.com , http://assamforest.in/NP_Sanctuaries/np_Nameri.php , and http://www.assaminfo.com/tourist-places/8/nameri-national-park.htm .

In Arunchal Pradesh there are Tiger Reserves at the Pakke Wildlife Sanctuary and the Nampdaphana National Park, and the state may soon get a third Tiger reserve in the Dibang Wildlife Sanctuary – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakhui_Tiger_Reserve , https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pakke-Tiger-Reserve/176461925880533 , and http://arunachalforests.gov.in/Pakke Wildlife Sanctuary.html ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namdapha_National_Park , http://namdaphanationalpark.in , http://namdaphanationalpark.in/attractions/the-cats-of-namdapha/ , http://arunachalforests.gov.in/namdapha tiger reserve.html , http://arunachalpradesh.gov.in/namdapha.htm , http://www.panthera.org/node/2537 , http://changlang.nic.in/namdapha.html , and http://travel.india.com/namdapha-national-park/ ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dibang_Wildlife_Sanctuary , http://arunachalforests.gov.in/Dibang Wildlife Sanctuary.html , http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...get-its-third-tiger-reserve-at-dibang-2012219 , http://www.panthera.org/node/604 , http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140709/jsp/northeast/story_18586964.jsp#.VhGWgEuHRsg , http://www.north-east-india.com/arunachal-pradesh/dibang-wildlife-sanctuary.html , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dibang_Valley_district .

Why pay so much attention to where Tiger reserves are located in India?

For the simple reason that where there are Tigers, there's still forest. And where there's still forest, there will still be Tigers:



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In India this means that Tigers are to be found in just four main areas: in the forested coastal mountains of Kerala and Karnataka; in the forested pre-Himalaya of Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh, continuing into southern Nepal; in the forested north-eastern highland-plateau country of central India; and in Arunchal Pradesh, where dense forest cover continues into Bhutan. I circled these areas in blue on the third map above.

So Assam and especially Himachal Pradesh would be well worth visiting, especially because they are such a remote, still heavily forested, and relatively un-touristed regions. Sure, there would be one month of low rainfall in March to work out. But traveling up to the remote northeast corner of India could extend the TerraLiner's Indian sojourn another two months, i.e. March and April.

By May the monsoon in the northeast would intensify, reaching a peak in Guwati of 309 mm in June, and then 377 mm in July. Mynamar next door would be the same, with rainfall dramatically increasing from April to May -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Mandalay,Myanmar-Burma , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Rangoon,Myanmar-Burma , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Akyab,Myanmar-Burma , and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,Kengtung,Myanmar-Burma.

However, this might be a good point to visit Bhutan, because while March and April are very dry in the kingdom, by May rainfall increases moderately, and does not reach its peak until June/July/August -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan . Tourism is very tightly controlled in Bhutan, and "independent travel" is not exactly encouraged. So I wonder if it would might even possible to take the TerraLiner into the kingdom? For instance, I wonder whether even a small truck-camper such as an Azalai has yet travelled Bhutan? :ylsmoke: ...Azalais have travelled Nepal -- see http://psi-azalai.com/lazalai-tout-terrain/le-concept/ , http://psi-azalai.com/le-reve/4x4/ , and http://psi-azalai.com/le-reve/les-images/nepal/ .



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In short, either in late February or mid-May, the TerraLiner will want to drive from either Bodh Gaya or Bhutan, to the port cities of either Kalkuta or Mumbai.

The TerraLiner would need to be careful not to leave things too late, and get stuck because of impassable roads due to monsoon flooding. The monsoon in Mumbai begins in June, and rainfall jumps from virtually none in May, just 12.5 mm, to a whopping 533 mm the following month -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Mumbai and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,mumbai,India . In Kolkata the monsoon escalates more moderately, at 142 mm in May, and then 288 mm in June -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,kolkata,India .

If I were a TerraLiner owner, I'd prefer driving from Bhutan to Mumbai in mid-May, because this would take the TerraLiner through some remote, intensely rural, and untouristed parts of Jharkand, Chhattisgarh, Madhya Pradesh, and Maharasrtah. The "direct" and most time-economical route would take 45 hours. But with a bit of "tweaking", a route that went through any number of Wildlife Sanctuaries, Tiger Reserves, and Forest Reserves would take 80 hours -- see https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/T...0x3bdd674b6b6c22cb:0xdff82ffcf36f1a62!1m0!3e0:



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Again, follow the Tigers, and one follows the extant forest cover.

This route also passes through Aurangabad, a major tourism hub, and the location of the Ajanta and Ellora caves, UNESCO world heritage sites that contain extensive Buddhist frescoes, as well as Buddhist, Hindu, and Jain rock-art and sculptures -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurangabad,_Maharashtra , http://www.wondermondo.com/Countries/As/India/Maharashtra/AurangabadC.htm , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajanta_Caves , http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/242/ , http://www.ajanta.info/flash/main.html ,http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2014/oct/23/greatest-ancient-picture-gallery/ , http://www.wondermondo.com/Countries/As/India/Maharashtra/Ajanta.htm , http://picasaweb.google.com/116476029338832796283/AjantaCaves/?gsessionid=9nVxUOBZ6-baDnGKgabsYw , http://indiaouting.com/maharashtra/ajanta-caves/ , http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02666030.2012.659906 , https://books.google.co.in/books?id...pg=PR1&hl=en#v=onepage&q=ajanta caves&f=false , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellora_Caves , http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/243/ , http://asi.nic.in/asi_monu_whs_ellora_aurangabad.asp , http://www.indiamonuments.org/Ellora.htm , and http://www.wondermondo.com/Countries/As/India/Maharashtra/Ellora.htm :



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Of course, before making this trip across the central Indian plateau in early March or late May, the TerraLiner would want to have its water tanks completely topped up in Bhutan before departing. By the end of May Thimpu in Bhutan will have had more than 100 mm of rainfall, but the states of Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh , Madhya Pradesh, and Maharashtra will probably still be bone-dry -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_India ,https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/India_topo_big.jpg , http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/map-of-india-physical.gif , http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20080321/Shaded-Relief-Map-India-659813.jpg , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chota_Nagpur_Plateau , http://www.britannica.com/place/Chota-Nagpur ,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramgarh_district , http://www.britannica.com/place/Ranchi-Plateau , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satpura_Range , http://www.indianetzone.com/4/satpura_range.htm , http://www.britannica.com/place/Satpura-Range , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahadeo_Hills , http://indpaedia.com/ind/index.php/Ajanta_Hills_(or_Inhyadri) , http://indpaedia.com/ind/index.php/Ajanta_Hills_(or_Inhyadri) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deccan_Plateau , http://www.britannica.com/place/Deccan , https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...es_and_Towns_in_the_Deccan_Plateau,_India.png :



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The following video does a good job explaining the geography India's central plateaus and hill-ranges -- see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FAwSmkF5dQ . But you need to understand Hindi (or Hindglish), in order to follow it.....:sombrero:...Also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XknLMwiQUrU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcwGh5u8YO0 , which are audio-only, but explain the Deccan and Chota Nagpur plateaus very well.



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What about south India?

South India is my favorite part of the country, so I would be remiss if I did not at least attempt a "rough sketch" of a water-autonomous south India itinerary. Here are two reasons why I love south India:



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For more about Kerala specifically, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala , http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2003/nov/09/india.observerescapesection ,http://www.theguardian.com/travel/kerala , http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2012/feb/17/kerala-houseboat-holidays-locally-owned , http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2003/aug/30/india.guardiansaturdaytravelsection , http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2005/nov/19/india.guardiansaturdaytravelsection , http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2009/jan/10/kayaking-kerala-india-holiday , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/d...8951/Kerala-Making-Hay-in-the-Indian-sun.html , https://www.keralatourism.org , and http://www.keralatourism.com .

Given what I just learnt about the gradual-monsoon-build-up climate of Chennai (Madras), it seems that the best way to see south India, would be to begin on the west coast in Kerala, and then head east to Tamil Nadu.

All the west coast cities in Kerala still experience substantial rainfall in November, but much less than in October. October constitutes a small "secondary" peak after the first huge rainfall spike in June -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala#Climate and http://southindia.windhorsetours.com/kerala/kerala_weather.php . Then in December rainfall in Kerala drops off dramatically -- see https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,cochin,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kochi , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,alleppey,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alappuzha , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,kumarakom,India , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,varkala,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varkala , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,trivandrum,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiruvananthapuram , and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,kovalam,India . So if the TerraLiner arrived in Cochin in early November, it could remain well-supplied with water via rooftop collection at least until mid-December. Furthermore, substantial humidity lingers on after the monsoon ends in Kerala, so perhaps one or two AWGs could keep the TerraLiner supplied with autonomous water production until the end of December. Indeed, perhaps even the end of January.

After that the TerraLiner might want to head up into the Western Ghats, the mountains that run along the eastern edge of Kerala. There hill-stations like Ooty, Munnar, Kodaikanal, and Thekkady will still have reasonably high humidity even in February and March, probably enough for the AWGs to work reasonably well, although there would not be much rain -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ooty , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,ooty,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munnar , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,munnar,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodaikanal , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,kodaik-n-l,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thekkady , and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,thekkadi,India .

But there are significant differences between hill stations. Kodaikanal, elevation 2.133 m, or about 7,000 feet, still receives on average 141 mm of rainfall in December, and 60 mm in January. Whereas Ooty further north receives only 53 mm in December, and goes down to 21 mm in January -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodaikanal , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Kodaikanal , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ooty , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ooty , and http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1141353 , http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1141353&page=2 , etc. The city of Coimbatore is located near Ooty (3 hours by TOAD), but at a much lower elevation, 411 m versus Ooty's 2,240 m. Perhaps for this reason Coimbatore receives even less rainfall during the winter: 46 mm of rainfall in December, and just 5 mm in January. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coimbatore and https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,coimbatore,India .

Kodaikanal still gets 35 mm of rainfall in February, which isn't great, but better than nothing; 53 mm in March; and then 136 mm in April. This is actually quite exceptional, because almost everywhere else in India is still baking in April. So Kodaikanal seems like it might be one of the better places to glamp in south India for 4 months during the driest months. Here are some videos of Kodaikanal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO8mR1W1suo . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCTh3MAIGUw , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSw4WRZYus , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbca-Ld1n4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsHPrPo6TaM , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otwNrMxob2U , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jScxjCp642U , and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1JexQ8Wqhk :






In a number of the videos just referenced Kodoaikanal seems perpetually mist-shrouded, but it's possible that none of these videos were taken in the driest months, January through March.

Near Kodaikanal there is the "Bodhi Zendo", a wonderful Zen Buddhist center run by an elderly Indian Jesuit priest named Father Amy Sama -- see http://www.bodhizendo.org , http://www.bodhizendo.org/zen_center.htm , http://www.bodhizendo.org/gettingthere.htm , and http://www.bodhizendo.org/amasamy.htm . And the countryside surrounding Kodaikanal, especially in behind towards Munnar, is very beautiful, filled with tea plantations, many of them actively engaged in "Tea Tourism":


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Kodaikanal, Munnar, and Thekkady are all surrounded by a dense network of Forest Reserves, Wildlife Sanctuaries, and National Parks, but perhaps Munnar even more so. The last five images are of Munnar, and the last three are photographs of one tea plantation in particular, Kolukkumalai, one of the highest tea-plantations in the world -- see https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Munnar and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolukkumalai .

The Western Ghats are also full of lakes, although granted, many of the lakes are actually man-made reservoirs. Even still, the abundance of lakes in this region means that it's quite probable that the TerraLiner would be able to find a glampsite with a lake-view, and might even be able to take out the RIB for a spin:




The image of a powerboat on a very natural-looking lake is Munnar, 5 hours by TOAD from Kodaikanal. Whereas Ooty's main lake and Kodaikanal's lake seem to be much more "touristed". Kodaikanal is now more like a small city of 36,000 people, and perhaps could no longer be described as a "town"? As such, one can imagine that on such heavily touristed lakes locals might get upset if, instead of hiring one of their boats, one were to use the TerraLiner's RIB. So if the AWGs could compensate for lower rainfall at hill-stations other than Kodaikanal, a less touristed and more remote hill-station might be preferred.

Ooty is 6 1/2 hours from Kodaikanal, and Thekkady is 4 hours. At Thekkady there's the added attraction of a very large National Park, Periyar, along with a Wildlife sanctuary, together totaling 925 square miles -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thekkady , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Thekkady , http://www.thekkady.com , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_National_Park , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Periyar_National_Park , and http://www.lonelyplanet.com/india/kerala/periyar-wildlife-sanctuary . At Periyar there's also a Tiger reserves, and a large, healthy population of wild elephants -- see http://www.periyarfoundation.org , http://www.periyartigerreserve.org , http://www.periyartigerreserve.org/home.php , http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/india-elephant-tramples-couple-death-periyar-tiger-reserve-kerala-1484587


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Munnar's and Thekkady's rainfall figures for winter are almost as good as Kodaikanal's, and there are many more hill-stations in the Western Ghats, some of them still relatively "undiscovered" -- see http://www.skyscanner.co.in/news/8-unspoiled-hill-stations-visit-india-everyone-else-gets-there , http://www.nativeplanet.com/travel-guide/top-10-hill-stations-tamil-nadu-000803.html#slide8294 , and http://www.scoopwhoop.com/inothernews/hill-station-south-india/ .

Wherever forest does not cover the Western Ghats, one finds tea, coffee, pepper, or rubber plantations, many of which have embraced "agriturismo" with gusto. They have large, expansive properties, some set on picturesque lakes with no other tourist development. So it shouldn't be too hard to find a good spot to glamp for 3 or 4 months in these mountains, a spot that still receives at least some rainfall in January and February. See for instance http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2008/jun/26/india.green , http://fringeford.com/thehouse.htm , http://fringeford.com/thehills.htm , http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2011/oct/28/kerala-homestays-rubber-plantations-kochi , http://www.homeandhospitality.co.uk/accommodation-in-india/guest-house/kottukapally-plantation-home/ , http://www.kalakettyestate.com , http://www.kabbeholidays.com/kabbe.pdf , http://www.kabbeholidays.com/kabbecottage.htm , http://www.littlearth.in/destiny/ , http://www.littlearth.in/destiny/cultivation.php , http://www.littlearth.in/destiny/vegetables.php , http://www.littlearth.in/destiny/location.php , http://www.thehornbillcamp.com , http://thehornbillcamp.com/accommodation , http://thehornbillcamp.com/location , http://www.vythiriresort.com/resort.html , http://www.windermeremunnar.com , http://www.windermeremunnar.com/plantation.php , http://www.windermeremunnar.com/location_munnar.php , http://www.braemorehills.com , http://www.braemorehills.com/About.aspx , http://www.braemorehills.com/Rooms.aspx , http://www.braemorehills.com/attractions.aspx , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Braemore_Estate , http://www.trekkr.in/braemore-to-ponmudi-a-wild-trek/ , https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ponmudi , http://www.holidify.com/blog/tea-plantations-in-india/ , http://www.kelagurmathias.com , http://www.kolukkumalai.in/aboutus.aspx , http://www.kolukkumalai.in/campaign.aspx , http://www.kolukkumalai.in/gallery.aspx , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolukkumalai , and http://kdhptea.com.

Again, this is just a very rough sketch, intended merely to suggest the kinds of considerations one will want to bring to bear when constructing a "water-autonomous" TerraLiner itinerary.

Around mid-to-late-April, loaded up with rainfall collected in the Western Ghats, the TerraLiner would then drive down into Tamil Nadu. The wonderful thing about Tamil Nadu and Andra Pradesh to the north, is that they do not receive a big "wollop" of monsoon rain in June. Rather, although rain begins to fall again in May, the level of rainfall builds up only gradually, until it peaks around October and November -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Nadu , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Tamil_Nadu , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Andhra_Pradesh#Climate .

The first map below nicely summarizes the "standard monsoon season" for most of India, from June to September, showing how much of south India does not actually get the "standard monsoon" in these months. While the second map demonstrates that when rest of India is "post-monsoon", south India's monsoon is intensifying, in September/October/November:



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So in cities like Tiruchirappali, Thanjavur, Tiruvannamalai, Madurai, Pondichery, Chennai, and Tirupati, rainfall in the months of May through August will be moderate, generally above 50 mm and below 150 mm -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiruchirappalli , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanjavur , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiruvannamalai , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madurai , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pondicherry , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,pondicherry,India , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chennai , https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,chennai,India , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirupati .

As for cultural attractions, Tamil Nadu, along with Kerala, is the state where all the really big, medieval Hindu temples are to be found:



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They are found mainly in south India, because the Muslims destroyed almost all the big temple complexes in the north, save for those in remote locations, like Khajuraho -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khajuraho_Group_of_Monuments . The Muslims never destroyed the temples in the south, for the simple reason that their expansion never extended that far, not even under the Mughals. In addition to the cities just mentioned, there are also major temples at Kanchipuram, Chidambaram , Rameswaram , and Kumbakonam -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanchipuram , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chidambaram , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rameswaram , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbakonam , http://goindia.about.com/od/topdestinations/tp/south-indian-temples.htm and http://listdose.com/top-10-holy-south-indian-temples/ .

In short, with a well-thought-through itinerary, it should be possible to glamp most of South India for almost 10 months (mid-November to late August), without having to suffer either the worst of the dry season, nor the worst of the monsoon.


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About 10 pages ago (page 147), egn posted the following very interesting observations:


It is the other way around:

The AWG uses much more energy per l water than RO (~100 times).

Distillation is similar to AWG regarding energy use as you have to generate steam and cool this down again. You can recover some heat, but I assume it is far from as good as RO.

I have already written that the CBC-10 filters are no pure carbon filters. They can remove everything larger than 0.5 um, like Giardia and other bacterias. Please read the specification again.

A German distributor provides the following list:

Asbest, Bakterien/Pilze/Keime, Chlor, Einzeller/größere Erreger, Fauler Geruch/Geschmack, Kohlenwasserstoff
e CKW ́s, Pestizide/Desinfektionsmittel, Radioaktive Partikel, Schmutz/Sedimente, Viren

This works as long as the particles are larger than 0.5um.

I am kind of curious about water in Bliss Mobile vehicle concept. Actually it looks more like generating an artificial USP to justify the very high price. I looked at their vehicle last year in Bad Kissingen and wasn't impressed. Especially for long-term travel it wasn't enough storage space available. They generated a lot of USPs that are not practical or no one needs.

There are thousands of travelers world wide that have no problem to get access to drinking water, even in remote locations. As Bliss Mobil is a rather small company with only a few vehicles sold, it has to be proven that this systems work in reality for years. And of course it has to be practical.

You can actually put any of the smaller marine water makers into this box. And I don't think that rain water from the roof covered with bird ******** is better than water from a lake or local stream.
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As always, extremely valuable thoughts.

However, personally speaking, before I were to trust the specifications that any manufacturer of water filters publishes on line, I would want to read independent reviews. I would never trust a manufacturer to be completely “up front” and honest about the purity of the water that its filter, watermaker, or AWG produces. If or when I go into specifying this in depth for the TerraLiner, I would probably want to hire an outside consultant to make a recommendation.

egn, in response to your thoughts, I would first like to post the Seagull video again, which suggests that Carbon Filters should never be trusted to permanently removed bacteria or viruses:






I have heard about the inadequacy of Carbon Filters many times before, but don’t believe just me or Seagull.

The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta is probably as good an authority as one might like to consult regarding such matters. It has produced a useful chart that of various water purification methods – see http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/travel/household_water_treatment.html and http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/pdf/drinking/Household_Water_Treatment.pdf :



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Carbon filtration would be classified as “filtration”. And according to this CDC chart, although effective against Giardia, filtration has only moderate effectiveness against bacteria like E. Coli, and no effectiveness whatsoever against Hepatitis A. Carbon filtration is also only “moderately effective” against chemicals when it is nano-filtration, as opposed to mere microfiltration. Only distillation and RO are truly effective against the full range.

An epidemic disease caused by open defecation like Hepatitis A is viral, and not bacteriological in origin – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_A and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaundice , http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/uk-health-defecation-idINKBN0DO1CC20140508 , http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/hygiene/emergencies/envsanfactsheets/en/index2.html , and http://abstractmag.com/politics/28/04/2014/load-****-indias-problem-open-defecation . So filtration will be completely ineffective against Hepatitis A, because viruses are much smaller than bacteria. This is basic Biology 101.

Encephalitis is more of a condition than a disease, but it too can be caused virally, and it too is associated with open defecation – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalitis , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_encephalitis , http://www.economist.com/news/asia/...es-not-just-building-lavatories-also-changing , http://www.indiawaterportal.org/art...ty-neglect-disaster-and-disease-how-long-will , and http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-encephalitis-deaths/articleshow/15368804.cms . It is viral Encephalitis transmitted via contaminated water that is primarily responsible for the current epidemic in India.

Again, I can only repeat that either one has travelled in Third World countries, and one has direct personal experience of the dangers of water-borne diseases, or one has not. I have, and so I think my “paranoia” is justified. I view it as a prudent worry about the quality of water, not paranoia. And a worry that, as I already showed in posts #1575 and #1576 above, will probably prove even more justified in the coming decades, not less. The demographic aspect of the open defecation problem in many Second and Third World countries is going to get worse over the next few decades, not better.

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egn, your closing point about bird-*******, however, was very well taken.....:sombrero:

There is no question that bird poop is a standard problem for the collection of rainwater on roofs. Again, from the CDC in Atlanta, see http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinking/private/rainwater-collection.html .

But as you know, there are any number of possible solutions to the problem of birds on the roof. Some are more high-tech, like electro-shock, motion-activated water jets, sunlight-flashing systems, and sonic-sound and bird-predator-sound-generation systems – see http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/ , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/bird-shock-flex-track/ , https://www.birdbgone.com , https://www.birdbgone.com/products.html , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/electric-track.html , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/electric-track/bird-jolt-flat-track.html , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/electric-track/electric-track-install-components.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/bird_control_electric_track.html , http://www.birdbusters.com , http://www.birdbusters.com/bird_control_electric_fence.html , http://www.hotfoot.com/bird-repellant-store/pc/ELECTRACK-ELECTRIC-SHOCK-c6.htm , https://www.contech-inc.com/products/animal-repellents , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/eagle-eye/ , http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/home.php?cat=59 , http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/product.php?productid=313&cat=59&page=1 , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/sound-bird-deterrents.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/home.php?cat=66 , and http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/product.php?productid=544&cat=66&page=1 .

Some are more low-tech, like “bird-exclusion” netting, “bird spikes”, anti-bird wire, and a sticky “bird off” gel that frightens birds, because they feel trapped -- see http://www.stephentvedten.com/35_Birds.pdf , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/bird-netting.html , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/stealthnet/ , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/bird-flite-spikes/ , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/bird-spikes.html , http://www.hotfoot.com/bird-repellant-store/pc/SPIKES-c5.htm , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/dura-spike/ , http://www.birdspikesonline.co.uk/Bird-Spikes/Defender-Utility-Solar-Panel-Spike-BIRD0067 , http://www.birdspikesonline.co.uk/Bird-Spikes/photos.aspx , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/bird-coil/ , http://pigeonbirdcontrol.com/solar-panel-pigeon-control-screening.html ,https://www.birdbgone.com/products/bird-deterrents.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/bird_control_products.html , http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-advertiser/20150309/282595966379736/TextView , http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/bird-off-gel/ , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/bird-repellents.html , http://www.hotfoot.com , http://www.hotfoot.com/bird-repellant-store/pc/viewcategories.asp , and http://www.hotfoot.com/bird-repellant-store/pc/HOT-FOOT-REPELLENT-GEL-c3.htm .

One of my favorite categories is “Visual Bird Deterrents” – see https://www.birdbgone.com/products/visual-bird-deterrents.html , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/visual-bird-deterrents/bird-b-gone-hawk-decoy.html , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/visual-bird-deterrents/bird-scare-attack-spider.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/scare_bird_pest.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/home.php?cat=65l , and http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/sis.html...ENT PEST RID GARDEN CARE&_itemId=380186072574 :



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This includes the very low-tech but quite effective holographic flash tape, “Repel strips”, or “Bird Flight Diverters” – see https://www.birdbgone.com/products/visual-bird-deterrents/holographic-flash-tape.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/bird_scare_holographic_owl_repel_strips.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/home.php?cat=98 , http://www.birdbusters.com/bird_flight_diverter.html :



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Bird flying high and dropping a crapper? There’s the “Scare Balloon” – see https://www.birdbgone.com/products/visual-bird-deterrents/bird-b-gone-scare-balloon.html , http://www.birdbusters.com/scare_bird_balloon.html :



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Of course this means that the TerraLiner might need to carry some Helium.....:ylsmoke:

And then there’s the tried and tested “ferocious predator" bird deterrent – see http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1501908 :




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They make wonderful travelling companions, too, because they’re clean (they like to always poop in the same box of cat litter), they’re independent, they won’t stray far from camp, and the best ones like to snuggle.

But seriously, in the boating world, lots of sailors will swear by bird-scare humming line, again a very low-tech solution – see https://www.whitworths.com.au/main_itemdetail.asp?item=9027&search123=bird&intAbsolutePage=1 :



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So I figure that with some holographic tape and well-placed flight diverters, perhaps a sonic emitter and or predator-sound emitter, and maybe a more “active” motion-controlled sunlight flasher (again, see http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/eagle-eye/ , http://www.birdbusters.com/shop/home.php?cat=59 ), plus a few balloons if things are really bad, plus a TerraLiner cat….. with some combination of these, bird poop should not be too much of a problem…..:) ...A combination of old-school low-tech methods plus a few more high-tech methods, all of them making only the most minimal impact on the design of the TerraLiner roof, should work just fine.

For an excellent, short article that surveys the range of bird deterrents, see http://birdproofblog.com/top-ten-ways-to-deter-pest-birds/ , and also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_control .

Note that for the solar panels specifically, there’s not much of a problem when they’re lifted and angled towards the sun, because solar panels have very smooth surfaces that birds can’t land on, because they can’t get a grip. However, the top edges of solar panels will have some degree of thickness, where the birds would be able to land if not remedied. The solution here is simple: a thin metal strip that presents birds with nowhere to land. In effect, the entire solar panel becomes a deterrent known as a “bird slope” or “bird slide” – see http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/birdslide/ , https://www.birdbgone.com/products/bird-deterrents/bird-slope.html , and https://www.birdbgone.com/products/bird-deterrents/bird-slope/bird-slope-bird-deterrent.html :



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For bird control in relation to solar panels specifically, also see http://www.thesolarco.com/birds-and-solar-panels/ , http://www.pctonline.com/article/pct0415-bird-exclusion-solar-panels , http://www.apcukservices.co.uk/solar-panels/ , http://www.gullstop.co.uk/solar_panel_exclusion.asp , http://www.aandhpestcontrol.co.uk/pages/solar-panel-protection , http://www.birdcontrol.uk.com/shop/product/30m-solar-panel-bird-exclusion-kit/ , http://www.pestfix.co.uk/solar-panels.asp , http://www.solar-panel-cleaners.com/solar-panels-bird-protection-proofing-and-deterrents , http://www.nbcbirdandpest.co.uk/bird-control-services/solar-panel-proofing/ , and http://www.birdbarrier.com/products/solar-panel/.

When it comes to solar panels on houses there is the common problem that birds will want to nest in the gap between the solar panels and the roof. So companies have emerged that specialize in fitting wire-mesh barriers around the circumference of a solar array, thereby blocking bird entry. They call these “bird exclusion solutions”, which is really just a fancy name for a bunch of wire mesh. For the TerraLiner this is not really an issue, because when underway the solar panels will lie completely flat against the roof of the vehicle. And when stationary, they will angle upwards towards the sun.

Also note that because the TerraLiner will move, a given population of birds won’t have all that much time to get “habituated” to a deterrent. This is the problem with many bird deterrents when used on fixed houses: the birds learn.

But once again, egn, your point is well taken. Clearly water collected directly from the roof would still need to be purified by a Watermaker as well.


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Whether the Bliss Mobil's roof-top collection system could also work in the winter, when there is snow, would be an interesting question to determine. As near as I can tell, the issue of winter water collection in climates that have lots of snow is not discussed explicitly anywhere in Bliss Mobil literature – see http://www.blissmobil.com/en/products-en/23-foot/exterior-23-ft.html , http://www.blissmobil.com/en/products-en/23-foot/water-23ft.html , and http://www.blissmobil.com/images/Brochure/brochure_eng.pdf .

However, if the TerraLiner's roof were somehow heated – even very moderately by large panel heaters or heating filaments that do not consume too much electricity – these might ensure that snow will be converted to water as well. They might also have the added benefit of ensuring that the solar panels on the roof remain free of snow, so that they can function properly in the wintertime.

However, the two elements probably need to be imagined separately: heating the roof, and heating the solar panels.

As already indicated, the TerraLiner's roof will be maximally covered with a solar array. And unless I hear arguments from thread participants to the contrary, the panels in that array will be able to tilt, in order to track the sun. See post xxx and following, much further along in this series. Which means that when the solar panels are angled to the sun, heating the roof will be one thing, and heating the solar panels will be another. When the solar panels are stored flat, and presumably snug against the roof, perhaps the heating elements in the roof could warm up the solar panels by mere proximity as well. But not when they are angled.

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There is no question that if a solar panel is properly angled to track the low-lying sun, solar panels can be reasonably efficient during the winter. If it's a sunny day, the reflected light off the surrounding snow can compensate for the low-lying sun. Solar panels can be efficient for the same reason that skiers get sunburned -- see http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/26...estment-even-in-snowy-regions-research-shows/ , http://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/does-snow-affect-output-solar-panels , and http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/are-solar-panels-usable-in-sno/21894748 . Solar panels, like other electrical equipment, also work best in the cold, and their output actually begins to go down in very hot weather. Furthermore, snow can clean solar panels quite effectively, even more effectively than rain.

However, the effectiveness of solar power panels in the winter can be exaggerated. Another website states:


Many people think that a hot sunny day will produce more electricity than a colder sunny day. This just isn't the case. Solar PV relies on the light of the sun, but higher temperatures actually reduce the effectiveness of the panels. So cold and bright are actually ideal conditions.

Having said that, the lower the sun is in the sky, the less energy will reach the panels. In winter, the sun will always be lower in the sky, and therefore will produce that bit less energy. Couple that with the fact that winter days are shorter and unfortunately you can guarantee that the panels will not be as effective in winter.
So what are the figures? The Energy Saving Trust have published some figures which suggest a standard 3kW system facing due south, producing around 300kWh during June and July, will produce around 75kWh in a winter month like December or January. So you are talking about a 5th of the energy production in the winter months.


See http://www.thegreenage.co.uk/how-effective-is-solar-in-winter/ and http://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/how-much-electricity-does-average-solar-panel-system-generate .

On solar websites like that of Sunpower, whose products I will discuss at length further along in the thread, the general argument seems to be,

"Don't worry about snow: just wait until the snow melts. If your panels are sufficiently angled, the snow will just fall off. And if snowfall is really heavy and your panels don't clear of snow, call a specialist."


See http://us.sunpower.com/home-solar/solar-cell-technology-solutions/winter-solar-panel-performance-and-maintenance/ . The reason Sunpower recommends calling a professional is because actively trying to clear snow oneself using a "roof rake" or "roof broom" may damage the panels, and void the warranty -- see http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/a-tale-of-solar-panels-snow-and-roof-rakes/ , http://roofrake.com , and http://roofrake.com/Productpages/snowpro2.asp .

The first video below shows snow naturally falling off solar panels on a sunny day, while the second shows how to use a "Snow Pro" telescoping solar panel roof rake:



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But there is also the not-so-small problem that there are perhaps 80 different kinds of snow. Sure, current solar panels are designed with very "slippery" coatings so that rain, dirt, snow flow, etc. will fall off easily. But if a very wet kind of snow is immediately followed by a cold snap, the snow could turn to ice. I have plenty of personal experience of this, having lived in Canada. Once ice has covered the solar panels, it will be much easier for additional snow to accumulate, and much harder to get the snow off, even if the solar panels are angled quite steeply -- see http://www.nef.org.uk/knowledge-hub/solar-energy/snow-and-condensation-on-solar-pv-panels . And there's the added problem that the TerraLiner's solar panels will be flat when the vehicle is underway, hence flat when parked for a meal somewhere, of parked for just a night. If one were traveling through Siberia or Canada, and if one forgot to angle the panels before going to bed, one might wake up to a very thick cover of snow on the roof, snow that is difficult to get off.

So it seems to me that what's needed is some kind of very low-temperature heating element that could keep the panels just above freezing, because snow is much likelier to stick to surfaces that are very cold. In addition, the mechanisms that angle the solar panels to track the sun would need to be very robust, so that they could lift not only the solar panels themselves, but also any accumulated snow in addition. And once lifted and angled, it might help if the solar panels had some kind of vibration system, to help dislodge accumulated snow.

These are all obvious ideas, so I was a bit surprised to find that there do not yet seem to be products of this kind currently on the market, or at least available on the web. Instead, there are a number of relatively recent (since 2005) patents for such products -- see http://www.google.com/patents/WO2014022914A1?cl=en , https://www.google.com/patents/US20100236608 , http://www.google.com/patents/US20100275968 , https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2014022914&recNum=7&docAn=CA2013000695&queryString=FPsolar , and http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US20100275968.pdf .

Furthermore, the one active company webpage that I could find that promises to sell such products, still seems to be at the vaporware stage -- see http://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2014/02/snow/ , http://blizzardsolar.com , http://blizzardsolar.com/?page_id=1855 , http://blizzardsolar.com/?page_id=1840 , http://blizzardsolar.com/?page_id=1850 , and http://blizzardsolar.com/?page_id=100 .

The only really useful source of information that I could find is a website funded by the National Science Foundation, called "PolarPower.org". The purpose of this website is to provide "a useful working resource for researchers in choosing, designing, implementing, and maintaining remote power systems in polar environments" -- see http://www.polarpower.org/index.html#technologies , http://www.polarpower.org/examples/index.html , http://www.polarpower.org/links/index.html , http://www.polarpower.org/static/docs/PVWhitePaper1_31.pdf , http://www.polarpower.org/events/aetc2007/RUR-17_Stehle_paper.pdf , http://www.polarpower.org/events/aetc2007/RUR-17_Stehle_pres.pdf , http://www.polarpower.org/events/PPO_EGU07_poster.jpg , and http://www.nsf.gov/geo/plr/arc/index.jsp :



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PolarPower.org is basically a website composed of abundant links, with the most useful webpages being: (1) a page that provides links to examples of solar arrays deployed in Arctic and Antarctic environments -- see http://www.polarpower.org/examples/index.html , and (2) a page that provides links to vendors of Arctica and Antarctic remote power solutions -- see http://www.polarpower.org/links/index.html . Under vendors, the website provides links to the following two vendors for solar specifically (as opposed to, say, wind power): http://www.backwoodssolar.com and http://www.solarsignals.com . The other links to solar vendors seem to have expired, and these two working websites do not have information about heating solar panels.

However, under the list of "Supporting Technologies", PolarPower.org has a link to "De-icing and Detectors" -- see http://www.polarpower.org/technologies/deice/index.html . That webpage in turn links to a few Ice-Detector websites, but also to one thin-film flexible heater manufacturer, Minco -- see http://www.minco.com/Heaters , http://www.minco.com/Heaters/Product-Technologies , http://www.minco.com/Sensors-and-Instruments , http://www.minco.com/Heaters/~/medi...rs/Polyimide Thermofoil Heater Tech Spec.ashx , http://www.minco.com/Heaters/~/medi.../Heaters/All-Polyimide Heaters Tech Spec.ashx , http://www.minco.com/Heaters/~/medi...Heaters/Mica Thermofoil Heater Tech Spec.ashx , http://www.minco.com/Heaters/~/media/WWW/Resource Library/Heaters/PTFE Heater Tech Spec.ashx , http://www.minco.com/Heaters/~/medi...icone Rubber Thermofoil Heater Tech Spec.ashx , and http://www.minco.com/Heaters/~/medi...ermal-Clear Transparent Heater Tech Spec.ashx :



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As these product PDFs suggest, Minco is most interesting indeed, because it appears to be specialized in providing very-thin-film electric panel heaters that function well in extreme environments. And it might be exactly such a thin-film heater that one would want to affix to the underside of the tillable Sunpower microcrystalline panels on the TerraLiner's roof.

In short, as near as I can tell so far, no "ready-made" solar panel with a heating element included exists yet. Perhaps it's just as well; perhaps it would be better to have the design-fleixibility of being able to combine the best thin-flim heater solution, with the best solar panel, which as near as I can tell, is currently Sunpower.



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There's the additional issue of keeping the solar panels clean: (1) because water will be running off them, onto the roof, and then down to the Watermaker, and (2) because clean solar panels are more efficient than dirty solar panels.

Here too the technology seems to be somewhat in its infancy. There are a number of different possible systems, including waterless. The majority so far use laterally moving arms that wipe either down or across the length of the solar panel:



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Clearly, these are industrial-grade cleaning systems for very large home and/or industrial solar arrays. For smaller solar arrays, something more like a creature-like, adaptable, self-progrmmable robot might be desirable.

Here is one example of a solar panel cleaning robot, this one using an elaborate system of suction cups to move its way around a solar array:



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Think of this as a "preliminary rough draft". Super-cool from a geek point of view, but much too complicated, and most probably costly and fragile.


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Just recently there appeared a much more elegant and low-cost solution: a small autonomous robot, similar in principle to the "robotic" pool-cleaners have been around for a while. See http://www.gizmag.com/scrobby-solar-photovoltaic-panel-cleaning-robot/33819/ and http://scrob.by :



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There's also the possibility of just climbing up on the TerraLiner's roof, and cleaning the solar panels oneself with a brush, powered or manual:



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The TerrraLiner roof will have a central walkable gangway, one that would make "human-powered" cleaning of this kind possible. And needless to say, the super-low-tech route might involve the least risk and hassle.

However, a cleaning robot like the Scrobby would be desirable because it uses only rainwater, and no chemicals. Given that the TerraLiner roof and solar panels will also function as water-collection devices, having some Srobby robots constantly removing dirt using just rainwater, would be preferable to climbing up on the roof oneself once every two weeks, and having to use detergent to remove built up dirt. In effect, the Scrobby is a purely "mechanical" cleaning solution; the Scrobby is pure "elbow grease". The Scrobby would also be useful for cleaning the roof-top water-catchment areas, underneath the solar panels.

If the two sets of solar panels on either side of the central rooftop gangway were "linked", to form two integrated solar arrays, then there might be a need for only four Scrobbies: one for each solar array, and one for each water catchment area underneath the solar arrays. If this is not clear, see posts xxx at xxx further along, where I explain visually what I mean by "linking" solar panels, to form an integrated solar array that lifts and tilts as a single unit.



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As regards heating the Terraliner's roof specifically, perhaps a slightly different, less costly solution than Minco would be adequate. Here I am assuming that Minco products would be more costly per square meter, because they seem specifically tailored towards high-tech industrial and electronics applications, and they tend to be small, less than 1 m square. But I could be wrong....:)

As a potentially lower-cost alternative, for instance, it might be worth considering “Thin Film Far Infrared Heating Panels” of the kind made by Prestyl – see http://prestylenergy.ca , http://prestylenergy.ca/photo-gallery/ , http://prestylenergy.ca/specifications/the-product/ , http://prestylenergy.ca/specifications/far-infrared/ , http://prestylenergy.ca/specifications/conduction-convection/ , http://prestylenergy.ca/specifications/electrical-specs/ , http://www.ct-assocs.com/Prestyl/prestyl_science.pdf , http://www.prestylusa.com , http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/our-product , http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/fake-infared-vs-far-infared , http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/btu-to-kw , http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/energy-savings , http://www.prestylusa.com/2011-09-24-06-51-29/construction , http://www.prestylusa.com/2011-09-24-06-51-29/transmission-calculator , http://www.prestylusa.com/standard-products/standard-stock-panels , http://www.prestylusa.com/faqs/operation-energy-consumption , http://www.totalhomesupply.com/Flat-Panel-Infrared-Heater-p/prestyl.htm , http://files.totalhomesupply.com/data/Prestyl/5-15-10 Prestyl Transmission Calculator.xls , http://files.totalhomesupply.com/data/Prestyl/Performance-Calculator.xls , http://files.totalhomesupply.com/data/Prestyl/System info Prestyl USA.pdf , http://files.totalhomesupply.com/data/Prestyl/UM-Prestyl-Far-infrared-heaters-install.pdf , http://www.jeffsreviews.com/Articles/household mar2011/prestyl.html , http://www.innovativegreenenergysolutions.com/Heating_Panels , http://www.greendirections.ca/heating-structure/ , and http://www.wattworks.com/store/prestyl-far-ir-heater-2x2-panel :



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The last two videos are Scottish, and I included them because they provide very thorough and clear explanations of the technology, and how it works. Although they refer to the panels as "Infrared", I am quite certain that the panels shown and discussed are actually "Far-Infrared." They look just like Prestyl panels, or perhaps, like ILO panels, which I will discuss a bit further along.

Now I am not certain whether Prestyl heating panels are exacly the right solution. In it product literature, Prestyl claims that the same technology can be found in:


· Homes, Buildings, Industrial complexes and places of worship from the ancient to the most modern creations
· The world’s fastest passenger trains
· The world’s largest passenger vessel
· Boats, both small and large
· Recreational Vehicles
· Modern automobiles (defrosting, deicing and heating)
· Battery‐powered and Hybrid Vehicles (battery conditioning for higher efficiency)
· Agricultural applications
· Other OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) applications. Products produced include Winter
· Construction Solutions, heated clothing, heated horse blankets, roll‐up heated awnings, towel heaters, mirror heaters, etc. (UL on several of these products is expected Q4, 2013)

RelIabIlIty

Unlike traditional heating products which need to be accessed and serviced easily, ILO/Prestyl’s products are designed to be installed in tight, often inaccessible places. One such application is the heating of passenger rail cars. The heating film can be applied between the floor’s layers or incorporated in the walls or ceiling/roof. In Europe, a rail car may see a 4‐8 year life cycle, but after this, it may be sold to third‐world countries where these have an expected service life of 30‐50 years.

Other applications are behind the plasterboard in ceilings of homes, schools and offices. Although the product is guaranteed for a few years, the life expectancy is many decades. Nearly all products ever produced are still in service.


See http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/our-product and http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/the-secret .

And Prestyl also claims that its product is uniquely well-adapted to operation in extreme cold temperatures, which would be important for the TerraLiner, if these were on the roof underneath the solar panels, keeping the roof free of snow in Yakutsk, Siberia:


Advantages and ApplicatIons of Prestyl’s Far-Infrared Film

The unique thin‐film technology was developed for some of the world’s best‐known companies in a variety of OEM products worldwide. This film is extremely efficient and reliable, typically saving as much as 15 to 50% or more over traditional heating methods. Prestyl developed aesthetically pleasing “plug & play” radiant artworks using this thin film technology and today the panels are manufactured in the State of Washington.

When the weather gets really cold, Prestyl shines. Prestyl's unique Aluminum Hybrid film is designed to start‐up regardless how cold it is; during extremely low temperatures all carbon based competitor’s products will fail to start‐up (most do not work until the ambient temperature is above 5 degrees Fahrenheit (–15 degrees Celsius).


As for power consumption requirements, The typical installed wattage is 4 to 6 Watts per square foot, or 4160 Watts per square meter (depending on building conditions, mountingheight and glass present).” This may or may not be a deal breaker. But I am only referencing Prestyl, because it seems to be one of the more prominent example of “Thin Film Far-Infrared Heating Panels” that I’ve been able to find thus far.


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There are lots of other electric thin-panel or flexible-mat radiant heating solutions on the market.

For instance, see the range of product offerings at http://www.infraredheatersdirect.co.uk , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/?gclid=COeJ2uiKjMYCFSrJtAodt3MAkA , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating/heating-platforms.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/underfloor-heating/infrared-film.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/underfloor-heating/infrared-mat.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/underfloor-heating/infrared-mesh.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/underfloor-heating/warmset-infrared-gold.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/underfloor-heating/warmset-infrared-black.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating/heating-boards.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating/high-output-panels.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating/infrared-heaters-1.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating/bench-heaters.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating/heating-platforms.html , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/what-is-infrared-heating , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/installing-infrared-heat-panels , http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/underfloor-heating-solutions , and http://infraredtechnologies.co.uk/industrial-heating-solutions :



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However, from my reading so far, I get the impression that the Far-Infrared panels of the kind sold by Prestyl are a slightly exotic technology that goes way beyond mere "underfloor electric heating", or "radiant heating". The products shown above are mere "Infrared" heating, but not "Far-Infrared".

Products of this kind could still be useful to heat the roof of the TerraLiner in order to melt snow, for instance. From the above it's clear that even "Loose Infrared Ribbon" exists, ribbon that could be custom-installed as needed. But there is reason to think that Far-Infrared might be strongly preferred for heating the TerraLiner interior, because Far-Infrared has some critical advantages over mere Infrared.

Put simply, Far-Infrared heats bodies and objects; it does not heat the air, so it also does not dry out the air. And because Far-Infrared directly heats bodies and objects, when a Far-Infrared panel is switched on, one feels the heat immediately. So arriving at a "warm and cozy" temperature level is quicker, and a Far-Infrared system will then use less electrical energy, because one will want to set the thermostat lower. Furthermore, because more traditional Infrared heaters of the kind one finds in supermarkets warm up everything in front of them, including the air, objects close to them can become very hot. And so too the heaters themselves can become very hot, upwards of 500 degrees Fahrenheit. Which means there is a risk of fire, as well as burning oneself if one accidentally touches them. Whereas Prestyl claims that its Far-Infrared panels are much safer than conventional Infrared heaters, because the panels never get hotter than about 200 degrees Fahrenheit. That's still too hot to leave one's hand against a panel for more than a few seconds, but it's not hot enough to burn oneself immediately upon contact.

Moreover, Far-Infrared panel heating will also probably prove superior to "Underfloor Electric Heating Film" (as shown in one of the images above), because the latter still amounts to a kind of air convection heating. In effect, one would have merely a warm floor, expecting that the rising warm air from the warm floor will heat the rest of the interior. Whereas a Prestyl Far-Infrared panel mounted on the ceiling would transfer heat much more directly and efficiently to all of the walls, furniture, objects, and the floor in the Terraliner's interior.

Unless one were already familiar with the unique nature of Far-Infrared heating, none of this will make much sense. For a layperon's explanation and review of the advantages of Prestyl Far-Infrared panels, see http://www.jeffsreviews.com/Articles/household mar2011/prestyl.html , and for very short accounts of the difference between Infared and Far-Infrared, also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_infrared and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_heater . But Prestyl's webpages provide by far the best and most detailed explanation of how Far-Infrared works, and why it needs to be understood differently than more traditional heating solutions based on air convection.

Unfortunately, Prestyl's explanation is also somewhat more "technical" and "scientific", it is very lengthy, and it is not very easy to digest. Although the technology intrigued me, it also took me a few months to get my head around a number of ideas there are completely counter-intuitive. Here is my attempt at a reasonably short summary, with some choice quotes.


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Most conventional heating systems rely upon air convection to transmit heat. This is most obvious in a "forced air" heating system of the kind found in many homes. It's also the kind of warmth provided by the Webasto "AirTop" space heater -- see http://www.webasto.com/gb/markets-products/motorhomes/heating-solutions/ and http://www.webasto.com/gb/markets-products/motorhomes/heating-solutions/space-air-heaters/air-top/ .

But the same is also true for most radiant heating systems. For instance, even if a motorhome uses a diesel-fired hydronic system that provides heat by circulating water through small pipes embedded in the floors and/or walls, it is only to the extent that these pipes in turn heat the air, that the motorhome interior feels "warm". Although the system may seem "hydronic", or water-based, the primary conductor of heat is still air convection. In a nutshell, most traditional forms of heating entail "heating by air convection".

Now air convection is actually a very poor, inefficient way to heat a room, house, or motorhome:
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Although convection has been used for generations, it is a poor and inefficient way of heating a space. The hot air rises and especially in tall buildings as much as 50-70% of the can be wasted (the heat rises to the open space above while the lower regions can be cold). Hot air systems and “radiators” heat the air. Hot air rises and cooler air returns to the floor to be heated again, this process is called “convection”. For humans, the upper body warms up, but with many systems the feet stay cold. Circulating air moves dust, fungi and pollen; the hot air escapes when doors or windows are opened.


See http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/what-is-far-infrared

Far-Infrared heating is completely different, because it does not heat the air. Far-Infrared radiation is very low-frequency radiation, much lower than visible light, and lower than "Near-Infrared" radiation:



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The cheap, glowing space-heaters that one sees sold in supermarkets are "Infra-red" or "Near-Infrared" heaters; they are not Far-Infrared. And they glow precisely because they produce some light at the low end of the visible portion of the spectrum, as well as lots of light (i.e. heat) just below that, namely, Near-Infrared and Medium-Infrared Radiation. Furthermore, just like a conventional radiator, such Near-Infrared products provide heat primarily by warming the air and the objects immediately in front of them. They are not as electrically efficient as Far-Infrared heaters when it comes to warming objects at a distance.

Far-Infrared radiation, by way of contrast, does not heat the air. Instead it passes right through the air, to heat the objects, the floors, ceilings, walls, and people in the room instead:


Scientific exploration and testing over the past century has provided us with the evidence of what a far-infrared heater is and how the far-infrared energy "light" passes through the air. Because of its wavelength far-infrared waves travel around the air molecule; it has virtually no ability to collide with and excite the air molecules. Because it is able to travel through the air, the far-infrared waves will collide with the surfaces it encounters and this in turn is able to warm up these surfaces, people, and/or animals within the space (Boltzmann, Planck and others). Far-infrared heating is the most efficient way of "heating".

True far infrared heaters produce invisible light; the wavelength of this light is related to the heaters' surface-temperature. True far infrared heaters operate from slightly above room temperature to the temperature of boiling water (212 degrees F or 100 degrees C); on the other end of the infrared spectrum are the heating elements that glow (2200+ degrees C); these emit dangerous "near infrared" energy (examples are heat-lamps, heating coils, gas infrared heaters, et.). Exposure to near infrared is known to cause eye damage (cataracts and retina damage) as well as skin damage, burns and even cancer due to tissue burns. Far-infrared has been proven safe for people and animals; prolonged exposure is very healthy and only benefits have been identified for infrared operating at 7,000-10,000 nm. This is the therapeutic part of the sun's spectrum.

Prestyl's far-infrared products only operate in this safe part of the spectrum.



See http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/fake-infared-vs-far-infared

So Far-Infrared heating is not only much safer than Near-Infrared heating, Far-Infrared heating is actually good for you. Far-Infrared is the least harmful and most positively beneficial form of "light" or radiation that exists. Far-Infared heating is like getting a dose of the very best part of sunshine -- see http://www.deshineus.com/far-infrared-rays-best-type-heat/ :


Far-infrared is the most efficient and healthiest way to heat people and objects. Like with the sun, Prestyl’s thin-film technology heats surfaces which in turn heat floors, walls and the objects contained within a space. It uses only safe and known healthy ”invisible light” at wavelengths in the 7,500 to 10,000 nm (7.5 to 10 micrometer); this region in the spectrum is also called “Far-or Therapeutic infrared”.

In contrast, other infrared appliances, such as infrared heat lamps can reach temperatures up to 4,000 ºF (2,200 °C); these operate in the visible part of the infrared spectrum and will actually cause eye and skin damage during prolonged exposure. Remember, Prestyl operates only in the very safe and therapeutic “Far-infrared”. Prestyl’s proprietary thin-film technology produces ultra-low temperatures in the 200 ºF (95 °C) range; about the temperature of a cup filled with coffee.


The very worst part of sunshine, of course, is Ultra-Violet radiation, which is also invisible to the naked eye. But even though invisible, Ultra-Violet radiation is the one that causes skin cancer.

For some videos about the health benefits of Far-Infrared Radiation, and how Far-Infared Radiation is not the same as Ultra-violet, Microwave, X-ray, or Near-Infrared Radiation, see the following reasonably good videos:



[video=youtube;dgfn9WiYYao]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgfn9WiYYao [/video]
[video=youtube;ZnadfyxnQic]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnadfyxnQic [/video] [video=youtube;aXsHp5yY-rM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXsHp5yY-rM [/video]



Also see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt_V8q6wciU , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRhmwumrGu8 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPFD53rcBU , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TX7Sa7V8w , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2N9Mc_364 , http://sauna-in-spa.com/about_fir.htm , http://newmillenniumhealth.com/HTE/far-infrared-benefits.htm , and http://www.get-fitt.com/what_infrared_rays.htm .

Granted, many of the videos above are a bit flaky and "New Age". But in the case of Far-Infrared radiation, rigorous science does support New Agey hyperbole. In a nutshell, life on earth absolutely depends upon Far-Infared Radiation for its very existence and survival, because somewhere between 45 - 49 % of the solar radiation that heats the earth, is Infrared -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared and http://naturalfrequency.com/wiki/solar-radiation . Infrared is precisely a frequency-band of non-visible light that the Van Allen belts (i.e. earth's magnetic field) do not block. And if they were to block it, the entire surface of the earth would become covered with ice.

Now strictly speaking it is not true that plants need Infrared radiation to function, because it is the spectrum of visible light -- and not Infrared -- that broadly corresponds with "Photosynthetically Active Radiation", or PAR -- see https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...onepage&q=photosynthesis far infrared&f=false and http://www.fondriest.com/environmen.../weather/photosynthetically-active-radiation/ .

However, the story is different for animals and human beings. One recent NASA study has shown that cancer patients deliberately exposed to prolonged Far-Infrared radiation therapy healed much faster -- see http://www.nasa.gov/topics/nasalife/features/heals.html . In effect, Far-Infrared is a powerful healing agent, because it promotes optimal cell metabolism. Other equally controlled, rigorously scientific studies have confirmed the same -- see http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01084598 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3699878/ .


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For a motorhome, there is the additional advantage that with a Far-Infrared heating system, when a door is opened, the warmth will not escape. This may seem paradoxical, because we are habituated to the more conventional way of heating, which uses air convection to distribute heat. So when hot air escapes because a door has been opened, most of the interior warmth also escapes. But because Far-Infrared radiation heats objects and not the air, stored heat will remain in the objects, floors, walls, ceilings, etc. Once the door is closed, all of that "warm object mass" will immediately heat up the interior again:



Besides the immediate effect of warming the people in the space, Prestyl’s far-infrared operates at a part of the spectrum that allows it to travel through the air virtually unimpeded and heat the floor and other surfaces. One of the primary advantages are that when doors or windows are opened the warmth does not escape, but stays in the floor and objects and within seconds to minutes of closing the door or window the space is warm again. Unlike with traditional heating, there are no transportation or “duct losses”; no conversion losses and no air-flow losses; all stored energy can be used.



The heating elements in Far-Infrared heaters can be made of Carbon, Metal, or a hybrid alloy of the two. Carbon is cheap, but it has a short life-cycle, and the electrical resistance of carbon increases dramatically as it gets colder. So if a Carbon Far-Infrared panel were to start out really cold (think Siberia), it may not be able to start up at all. The electrical resistance of the Carbon will be too high.

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is also much more prone to causing fires for the same reason: because as it heats up, the electrical resistance of Carbon drops, and it may suddenly experience a "runaway avalanche" in which heating up allows too much electricity to surge through, which only makes it heat up further, which allows yet more electricity to surge through.... By way of contrast, metal-based Far-Infrared heaters have a "Positive Temperature Characteristic", which means that they are self-regulating: as the metal heats up, electrical resistance increases, and so electrical consumption also goes down. Ergo, metal-based Far-Infrared heaters like Prestyl panels are not only much safer, they are also more energy efficient than Carbon-based heaters:




Carbon has a very dangerous inherent characteristic; it has an undesirable "temperature coefficient" (this has to do with how carbon reacts over temperature). Carbon is classified electrically as a NTC (Negative Temperature Coefficient) material. What this means that the colder it gets, the higher its resistance and the hotter it gets the lower its resistance.

Thus, when it is really cold (and when you need the heater to work most) the resistance is high. This means very little energy is converted to heat and the heater may take a long time to warm up; in many cases, "it will not start at all". At low ambient temperatures this is annoying, but not a safety problem.

As carbon heats up, its electrical resistance gets lower so a heater has to be carefully designed not to exceed a certain temperature (balance between energy supplied and infrared energy radiated). A carbon heater must have multiple built-in safety switches to be safe. In most cases, the safety switches will manage the maximum operating temperature of the far-infrared heater - - that is until a portion of the heater is covered up. The covered portion gets hotter, in turn the resistance gets lower, this in turn makes the covered section get hotter and an avalanche effect has been created. Because it is a local issue, the safety switch may not know there is a problem and a fire may result (many fires have been attributed to this characteristic). Because carbon cannot be properly controlled (even the best control systems are very slow), the energy usage is typically 5-20% higher than a Prestyl hybrid alloy far-infrared heater.


Metal coil, Resistor wire, metal foil and metal hybrid foil

Metal-based far-infrared heaters are generally considered safer because metals in general have a "Positive Temperature Characteristic" or PTC. PTC means that the warmer the heater gets, the lower its energy consumption (this is the result of the increased electrical resistance); "self-regulation" occurs when the predetermined design temperature has been reached. This means that most metal-based far-IR heaters are generally much safer than carbon units.




Within the more restricted orbit of true Far-Infrared heaters that use metal, Prestyl panels have the following additional advantages:



The Prestyl advantage



  • Energy savings (design allows for optimum electrical to IR energy conversion)
  • Design of the Aluminum hybrid film (can be produced in any volume, with incredible precision)
  • Construction of the thin-film heating section (fully sealed)
  • All Aluminum construction (best metal IR radiator for the investment)
  • Much larger energy transfer area than competitive products (lower element temperatures and longer lifecycle)
  • Best thermal transfer possible (optimized through trace designs)
  • Distributed IR energy footprint
  • Floating housing design (prevents warping of the module)
  • "Hypo allergenic"
  • Quality of the materials used
  • Available plain or as printed artworks
  • Primary or supplemental heat
  • Maintenance free
  • Longest life expectancy
  • A vast array of approvals and safety listings

Prestyl's proprietary hybrid film:

Prestyl's unique film has been successfully used for over 18 years under the most demanding conditions (building and private/public transport industry).

Energy efficiency and life expectancy:

Prestyl's products have been specifically designed for a very long lifecycle; the thin-film Aluminum hybrid alloy is completely encapsulated in a Mylar enclosure, virtually eliminating the dreaded corrosion component. The inherent "self-protecting" characteristics of the Aluminum component in the film add another layer of corrosion protection increasing the life expectancy to dozens of years. The "encapsulating process" creates a 0.031" (0.8mm) thick "heating element"; because the heating element is so thin, the distance between the element and the Aluminum front panel is very minimal so the conduction of heat from the element to the front panel is optimized and the resulting energy consumption is the lowest achievable.

Prestyl chose Aluminum for its standard panels for two primary reasons; One, Aluminum provides the best heat transfer for the investment (look at the heat-sinks on electronic gear, 99% are Aluminum), and two because the materials in the film and the housing are based on the same elements, Prestyl greatly minimizes the stress on its film.

Improved heat transfer:

Compared with many competitors, Prestyl's designs offer a much larger energy transfer area; the product resembles a circuit board with a nearly 50% surface coverage (10 times greater than some competitors' product), this results in lower element temperatures and promotes a longer lifecycle

Unique trace designs, best possible IR footprint:

Another unique Prestyl feature is its trace design; while competitors use "same width/diameter heating wire", Prestyl's etched traces are designed to promote and "even IR footprint". IR works on a principle of watts per square foot (m²). So every inch on a panel counts. Prestyl's unique trace design minimizes the heat concentration in the center. It distributes the heat evenly to the edges of the radiating surface. This results in an even and predictable IR coverage pattern and again helps reduce energy consumption

"Hyper allergenic":

While most competitors use inexpensive fiberglass insulation, Prestyl uses a 100% recyclable unique wool-based woven insulator. Yes, it is more expensive, but it completely eliminates the irritable fiberglass dust that is commonly emitted by competitor's units, making the Prestyl far-infrared heater a virtually hypoallergenic, health conscious choice.

Highest quality materials:

Prestyl's far-infrared heating systems have been developed over a period of 18 years; the company has succeeded where others failed by using only the highest quality raw materials.

Prestyl is a true far-infrared pioneer, not a "me too" company. The company is not only active in in the traditional (home, office, institutions etc.) heating business; it is also heavily involved in developing energy saving solutions for high-profile transportation projects in North America (for reference, 100% of all French trains produced over the past 5 years are heated with our films).




Note the comment about French trains. The heating film used in Prestyl panels comes from France; it is French technology. And that same Far-Infrared heating film technology has been used in standard transport applications. So it stands to reason that if this technology works well in a TGV coach (the TGV is France's high-speed train), then it should also work well in the TerraLiner.



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But again, I am not absolutely certain of this. For instance, I am concerned about the extent to which Far-Infrared heating relies on objects in the room, the floor, and the walls, to act as a kind of "heat sink". If the TerraLiner's walls and roof were made of sandwich-plate fiberglass composite panels of the kind used in most Expedition motorhomes, then the walls and roofs would not have much "absorptive" or "radiative" capacity. They would not serve as stores of Far-Infrared radiation. After all, the primary function of such sandwich fiberglass panels is to act as insulators.

On the other hand, the interiors of Expedition motorhomes tend to be packed with many objects and furniture, much cabinetry, and the floor of the TerraLiner will be wood parquet. So perhaps the interior of a typical Expedition motorhome might function well enough as a "heat sink" after all, able to absorb significant amounts of Far-Infrared radiation?

The temperature of the Prestyl panels also worries me: 200 degrees Fahrenheit, or 95 degrees Celsius, close to the temperature of boiling water. One really couldn't mount such panels on the walls of a motorhome. And given that interior TerraLiner headroom will probably be only 2.3 m or less, even if such panels were mounted on the ceiling, as per many of the photographs above showing installations, they might still be too hot and too close for comfort.

Note that the ceiling is actually a very good place to install Far-Infrared panels, because from there they are able to directly heat the floor. One should not imagine that because the panels are on the ceiling, the floor will then be cold. Again, Far-Infrared heating is fundamentally different, and one has to make a bit of an effort to first understand the technology, in order to comprehend why ceiling installation would be optimal.

95 degrees Celsius would also be very warm if such panels were installed on top of the roof, to melt snow. Indeed, they'd come close to boiling the snow.....
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However, the mere fact that Prestyl claims that such Thin-Film Far-Infrared technology has been used in a wide range of transportation applications, intrigues me to no end. Which is why I've spent some time researching it, understanding it, and explaining it in this post. It does seem to have some wonderful advantages over even a system as innovative as under-floor electric radiant heating, of the kind used by Blissmobil -- see http://www.blissmobil.com/en/products-en/20-foot-body-en/interior/279-floor-heating-2.html
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Needles to say, I also need to track down the French company from which Prestyl USA gets its technology, and how that company has applied the technology in transportation applications. As I will suggest in the next post, I strongly suspect that the name of that company is ILO-international.



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I recently came across a rather startling video, which raises another possible concern. Although Far-Infrared Radiation is certainly safe, is an electric panel designed to produce such radiation safe? When we are outdoors, we get our dose of Far-Infrared from the sun, and the ultimate power source there is nuclear fusion. But the Earth's geomagnetic field as well a the ozone layer and the earth's atmosphere protects us from many of the additional by-products of nuclear fusion, for instance, most of the Ultra-Violet radiation that the sun throws out -- see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt . Yes, some UV does get through, but a great deal does not -- see http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/UVB/uvb_radiation3.php , https://www.ec.gc.ca/uv/default.asp?lang=En&n=E562120D-1 , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunlight :



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So the simple question that needs to be asked about electric-powered Far-Infrared heating panels is:


"What else do they produce, in addition to Far-Infared Heat?"


The response seems to be -- in the case of one Far-Infrared panel of German origin -- quite a large electric field, one that may be hazardous to your health:



[video=youtube;gB23D4Cvw1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB23D4Cvw1Y [/video]



Personally, I feel completely incompetent to asses the findings of this video, or offer a strong opinion about the safety (or lack thereof?) of Far-Infrared Heating panels. But if anyone reading this has some expertise in this area, please do post!!!



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Finally, note that there is no easy way to run a standard calculation as to how many "BTUs" a Prestyl heating panel will produce. But according to Prestyl, it will still prove far more efficient than traditional heating:
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The question of how many “BTU’s” (British Thermal Units) do our heaters produce is frequently asked by many of Prestyls new dealers and even highly respected HVAC engineers working for established and well-respected agencies in order to determine the “standard” heat-loss calculations. These calculations are widely accepted since these have evolved over a period of well over a hundred years.

The problem is that conventional formulas don't completely apply to this "new heating technology". With far-infrared energy there is no direct correlation between Watts of energy used and BTUs.

Prestyl’s technology is unique; it is different from traditional convection technologies. Prestyl’s heating is based on the principle of energy storage and emission, not heating the air.

The far-infrared heat energy travels through the space and is absorbed and stored in the floor, walls, people and objects within that space. As a result the heat energy is emitted back into the space which creates an overall saturation of far-infrared warmth. When this effect is achieved the natural response is to lower thermostat. The energy is stored and because we do not send a mass of hot air to the ceiling, or to the outside world when a door opens, much less energy is used compared to traditional methods.


The differences between Prestyl’s technology and traditional heating systems:


  • Depending on placement, Prestyl’s technology provides a 15-45% energy advantage over traditional heating.

Although there is no direct correlation between BTU and Prestyl’s far-infrared energy requirements, depending on the type of building and the particulars of the installation the typical “equivalent COP” based on many installations worldwide is between 1.5 and 3.

To address this further we can make a comparison between geothermal, a system that uses a similar amount of energy and Prestyl.

The operating costs of a Prestyl heater and a good Geothermal system in mild winters are very similar. The industry claims that geothermal operates at a COP of 3. But as the temperature drops for prolonged periods Prestyl can easily outperform geothermal by as much as 2:1. With Prestyl’s acquisition costs at only a fraction of what one would pay for a reasonable geothermal system and when one adds the maintenance expenses to the operating costs of geothermal, Prestyl clearly comes out the winner. Many Geothermal customers who are dissatisfied with the performance augment their systems with Prestyl Heaters for this very reason.

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See http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/btu-to-kw , http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/energy-savings , and http://www.prestylusa.com/the-technology/approvals-safety .


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Also see another manufacturer of products that seem very similar to Prestyl's offerings, called “ILO International”, at http://www.ilo-international.com/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/how-it-works/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/design/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/ceiling/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/floor/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/how-it-works/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/other-appliances/ , http://www.ilo-international.com/ILOCatalogueBDRev0.pdf , and http://www.ilo-international.com/ca/wp-content/themes/ilo/PDF/ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0.pdf .

I strongly suspect that ILO may in fact be the French company responsible for the Prestyl's Thin-Film Far-Infrared technology. On the one hand, on its website ILO does not draw the strong distinction between "True Far-Infrared Heating" versus "Fake Infrared Radiant Heating", as per Prestyl. ILO only uses the phrase "Radiant Heating", whereas Prestyl goes to great pains to explain how "True Far-Infrared Heating" is different. But the ILO website also makes it clear that "ILO International" works in partnership with OEMs to create heating solutions for the transportation industry -- see http://www.ilo-international.com/other-appliances/ . And on the last page of the ILO catalog, the contact address is given as:


ILO Factory: ZI Les Triboulières, N°2138460 CREMIEU, FRANCE


ILO also states in its catalog that it has been in this business for 20 years, which is about the same length of time that Prestyl states that its version of French-made Far-Infrared technology has been available. As near as I can tell, Prestyl in effect manufactures ILO products under license.

But finding the French website for ILO seems next to impossible. Even when I use "Google France", I get just the English website, and countless entries for "The International Labor Organization". Probably the next step will be to writing ILO an email, asking them for their French website address.

The images in in ILO's catalog are simply stunning, and much more impressive than the images that Prestyl provides on-line. Here is just a sample (the catalog is over 70 pages long...):



ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 4 copy.jpeg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 Sub.jpg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 10.jpg
ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 11.jpg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 1.jpg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 2.jpg
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Here I've mixed in some photos directly from ILO's website. As must be clear, ILO does not just sell Far-Infrared panels, it also cells underfloor electric heating systems as well, including those for bathrooms, where a layer of cement and then ceramic tiles are placed over top of a heating mat -- see pages 44 and 45 in the catalog. And so too, ILO sells "in-concrete heating cable and mats", which can be embedded directly in cement during construction -- see page 46 and and 47 in the catalog.



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My question is whether such underfloor installations still constitute "True Far-Infrared Heating"?

Can they be, if there is a layer of parquet flooring or cement and tile covering the heating mats or heating cables/ribbons? The following videos demonstrate "underfloor" and "under-desk" kinds of heating systems. As near as I can tell, the "under-desk" system still consists of panels mounted low on walls, and is not truly underfloor:






The second video describes the installation of Prestyl underfloor matts. But as near as I can tell, Prestyl USA does not document such underfloor heating matts anywhere on its website -- see http://www.prestylusa.com/standard-products/standard-stock-panels . Rather, Prestyl USA seems to specialize in manufacturing and selling panels only to be mounted on walls and ceilings. It is only in the French ILO catalog that we find underfloor heating solutions offered by the same manufacturer.

Most notably, in its catalog ILO does describe its more elaborate, "invisible" or "embedded" ceiling mounted heating systems as Far-Infrared:



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In this text, ILO demonstrates that it fully understands the principle difference of Far-Infrared heating, as was explained at greater depth on the Prestyl website:


Heating from the ceiling? What a strange idea!

With ceiling heating, we use the most basic principleof radiation, which involves directly heating objects,surfaces and occupants rather than air. Indeed a hotsurface or object always emits radiant energy whichis absorbed by a cooler surface, object or body.The heated ceiling creates a large hot surface atrelatively low temperature close to that of the humanbody. Most people expect that heat rises but in factonly warm air rises, replaced by cold air at groundlevel. If the heat source is placed at the ceiling, theconvection effect is stopped, more than 90% of theheat energy is emitted by radiation, giving you thebest comfort even with an air temperature muchlower than a convected warm-air system. It is notnecessary to preheat the room for hours beforeyou feel the sensation of radiant warmth. Switch onand feel the comfort! This is undoubtedly the mosteffective and most comfortable way to heat a room.To meet all types of installation, all skill levels and allbudgets, ILO has developed a range of solutions,from simple film to place in the ceiling space, tofully integrated systems with Plug and Play electricalconnection. Make your choice, you will trust yourheating system.


This passage summarizes all the points made earlier: that Far-Infared heats objects, surfaces, and occupants, and not the air; and that it does not heat by air convection. However, it's equally notable that ILO does not make the same arguments at the beginning of the section in its Catalog that covers under-floor electric heating. So my strong suspicion is that underfloor electric heating simply is not -- and cannot be -- "True Far-Infrared" technology. Only panels installed on the walls or the ceilings can provide genuine Far-Infrared radiation and heating. At best, underfloor electric heating could be described as "radiant heating".

But I could be wrong about this, because I am not a specialist.

On the other hand, if I am right, then I suspect that ILO provides underfloor electric heating solutions at the end of its Catalog primarily to satisfy the demand from more "conservative" (and/or scientifically challenged) consumers. Consumers who simply can't get their heads around the idea that Far-Infarared panels located on the ceiling will heat a space better and more efficiently -- including the floor -- than underfloor heating of any kind, whether electric or hydronic (water fed through pipes). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underfloor_heating , http://www.which.co.uk/energy/creating-an-energy-saving-home/guides/underfloor-heating-systems/ , http://www.which.co.uk/energy/creat...-heating-systems/electric-underfloor-heating/ , and http://www.which.co.uk/energy/creat...oor-heating-systems/water-underfloor-heating/ .

Just heating the floor with electricity may already seem innovative and exotic enough to many consumers, especially if they are habituated to forced-air heating, or heating via old-fashioned radiators that circulate hot water from a boiler. After all, such old-fashioned systems are still the ones most commonly used in motorhomes today: forced air, and "hydronic" systems that circulate heat via radiant pipes distributed around the motorhome interior. So even just moving to all-electric underfloor heating in a motorhome, as per Blissmobil, seems "wildly" innovative, relative to the often conservative context of motorhome design and manufacturing. Even though underfloor electric heating is really not that innovative at all, at least not when compared to Far-Infrared heating -- see http://www.blissmobil.com/en/products-en/20-foot-body-en/interior/279-floor-heating-2.html .

There is a learning curve required in order to understand Far-Infrared heating. And it's quite possible that for those who lack sufficient Science or Engineering backgrounds, that learning curve is just too steep. They can't understand the principles behind Far-Infrared heating, and so they are simply not willing to trust it. Ergo, in Europe ILO will sell such people more conventional, "underfloor" electric heating solutions instead.



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Here is another manufacturer from Austria, called IR Heating, that seems to be targeting the same market, namely, “True Far Infraread Heating Panels”– see http://irheating.ca/?variant=699911195 , http://irheating.ca/pages/about-us , http://irheating.ca/pages/benefits , http://irheating.ca/pages/how-it-works , http://irheating.ca/pages/how-to-install , http://irheating.ca/pages/documents , http://irheating.ca/pages/gallery , http://irheating.ca/pages/video , http://irheating.ca/pages/frequently-asked-questions , and https://www.youtube.com/user/IRHeating :



[video=youtube;lnErBPPd4Bc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnErBPPd4Bc [/video]



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However, panels sold by IR Heating seem to have their heating filaments made primarily of a Carbon-Nickel alloy, and not pure metal. And so I wonder about their long-term safety performance, relative to Prestyl panels?

By now the reader should have a pretty good idea of what such Far-Infrared panels look like, so I won’t bother posting abundant images from IR Heating’s website. But IR Heating does have an extensive gallery with good-quality photos at http://irheating.ca/pages/gallery . Americans may find this product less than completely attractive, because so far it seems that it has been distributed mainly in Canada – see http://irheating.ca/pages/distributors . But on its website IR-Heating claims that it is the most popular Far-Infrared Panel brand in the Canadian market today.

Notice once again that the last three videos are English/Scottish, because these too struck me as providing especially clear presentations of Far-Infrared technology. The company described in the last video, Redwell, is actually Austrian as well; or perhaps the Scottish distributor is called Redwell, and the Austrian company that does the manufacturing has different name (a bit like the relationship between Prestyl and ILO?). The bottom line is: the panels are made in Austria, not Britain.

So one suspects that this might be the same company that manufacturers panels for IR Heating in Canada. That IR Heating and Redwell are merely the names of distributors in Canada and the UK respectively, but the primary manufacturer in Austria perhaps goes by another name entirely? On the videos it claims that the actual name of the factory is "Redwell". But this might be a marketing gambit, because "Redwell" is certainly not a German or Austrian name.....???:sombrero:

As stated on its website, Redwell UK's primary function is consulting, selling, and installing -- see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/infrared/ , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/products/ , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/products/heaters/ , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/products/heating-controls/ , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/products/gallery.html , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/videos.html , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/faqs.html , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/solar-pv/ , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resources/files/downloads/Redwell/Redwell_Comparitive_Study_Flyer.pdf , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resources/files/downloads/Redwell/REDWELL_Comparison_Survey_2010.pdf , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resources/files/downloads/Redwell/RedwellGB_RRP_2015_2016.pdf , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resources/files/downloads/Redwell/Product_Catalogue_2015_2016.pdf , https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBT9gsFu2Ob7XXyaV8QPiFg , and https://www.youtube.com/user/redwellgb .

Like IR Heating in Canada, Redwell claims to be the UK's leading consultant and supplier of Infrared heating systems in its market -- again, see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk . There was another company claiming dominance in the some unspecified market, but it has since gone out of business -- see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18DqFTlSmQ , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrg67qv3mlY , and http://www.greenenergyinnovationsltd.com . I wonder if Prestyl is the leader for Far-Infrared in the American market? Or whether, because Prestyl's products are better quality and upmarket, it could be considered the "high quality" market leader?

Now because Far-Infrared heating technology seems to have first emerged in continental Europe -- in either France, German, or Austria (or some combination of the three) -- it has probably "spread" most successfully and widely to the quasi-European portion of the Anglosphere, namely, Britain. Whereas the technology's spread to Canada and the United States seems to have been more limited, at least so far. So maybe this is the reason why Redwell's website is easily the best organized and most extensive of those that I've discussed thus far. Sure, Redwell does not provide a hyper-detailed scientific explanation of the technology, as per the Prestyl website. But on its website Redwell provides lots of detailed information about "Case Studies", which include a number of large buildings, such as hotels -- see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/case-studies/ , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/applications/hotels-and-b-and-bs.html , http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resource...el_Infrared_Heating_Case_Study-Redwell_GB.pdf , and http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resource...ra_Infrared_Heating_Case_Study-Redwell_GB.pdf . The Redwell website is also packed with stunning imagery, especially given the number of concrete case-studies documented in beautiful living color, which can be downloaded -- see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/downloads.html .

Redwell's Catalog is reasonably good too, although not in quite the same league as ILO's Catalog -- see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/resources/files/downloads/Redwell/Product_Catalogue_2015_2016.pdf . Redwell even seems to sell a few products that ILO, Prestyl, and IR Heating don't, for instance, Round Heating Elements -- see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/products/heaters/redwell-round-heating-panel.html and http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/case-studies/burnside-steading-infrared-heating.html :



Redwell-Circular-Heating-Panels.jpg Product_Catalogue_2015_2016c.jpg Ceiling-Round.jpg



But unlike ILO, Redwell does not seem to sell a sophisticated array of ceiling and floor-heating products.


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At this point I am a bit exhausted vis-a-vis "Far-Infrared" research, so I will leave it up to the reader to find and download more Redwell imagery, if desired. There are also some very informative Redwell videos at http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/videos.html :



[video=youtube;fShPBpE2adk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fShPBpE2adk [/video] [video=youtube;M6yZD_DJkMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6yZD_DJkMA [/video] [video=youtube;5Tgb6h2F-h0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tgb6h2F-h0 [/video]
[video=vimeo;75431619]https://vimeo.com/75431619[/video]


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12. Consulting with ILO about Far-Infrared Heating in a Transportation Application


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At this point, it bears remarking that the company in Austria that appears to supply both IR Heating in Canada, and Redwell in the UK, seems to be just a Far-Infrared panel maker, and nothing but. Unlike ILO, this company does not advertise anywhere that it also works closely with OEMs to create specific solutions for transportation applications.

Given the concerns that I have raised in the last few posts, it seems that if one were to want to incorporate Far-Infrared heating technology into the TerraLiner – and I do think that this possibility should be at least investigated!! – one would want to consult with a company like ILO. It's quite possible, for instance, that ILO has already custom-manufactured “Low temperature” flexible Far-Infrared heating films to be used on the curved surfaces inside trains. These would be Far-Infrared heaters whose temperature does not rise to a near-boiling 95 degrees Celsius. There may be no information readily available about such products on the web, but the web tends to be a very “end-consumer-oriented” medium, and always seems to have less information about the kinds of products that small subsidiary manufacturers will sell to larger OEMs.

I suspect something like this might be possible, if only because of the shear variety and range of products that ILO lists in the last 30 pages of its product Catalog, from page 48 onwards – again, see http://www.ilo-international.com/wp-content/themes/ilo/PDF/ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0.pdf . Two products in particular suggest that there might be available “low temperature” versions of ILO Far-Infrared technology: the “Antares Low Temperature Cassette for Dry Location”, and the “Sand Range [Low Temperature] Heated Carpet”:



ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 Sand1.jpg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 Sand 2.jpg
ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 Carpet.jpg Antares .jpg


Again, I can't say for certain whether these products are still “True Far-Infrared”, but if they are, then in principle lower-temperature Far-Infrared should be possible.

Furthermore, ILO and Redwell make/distribute Far-Infrared products that function as Bathroom mirrors -- see http://www.redwellgb.co.uk/products/heaters/redwell-mirror-heating-panel.html and http://www.ilo-international.com/design/ :



ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 mirror.jpg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 mirror2.jpg
ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 mirror 3.jpg ILO Catalogue IUK01 BD Rev 0 mirror 4.jpg
Product_Catalogue_2015_2016.jpg Redwell-Infrared-Mirror-Heater-Panel.jpg



ILO's vertical mirrors and bathroom heaters even come with optional towel-racks. In effect, some of ILO's panels can do triple duty as Infrared Heating, mirrors, and towel warmers, all rolled into one. This alone should recommend such technology to the motorhome industry, because motorhome manufacturers are always looking out for "triple-" or "quadruple-duty" solutions that save space. But when warming the towel, does the ILO mirror's temperature actually climb as high as 95 degrees Celsius? Could it be regulated to never climb that high, to prevent towels getting scorched? If so, then clearly a "Lower Temperature" version of Far-Infrared paneling might be possible.


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