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10. Sealegs


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A more low-tech alternative to the Iguana would be "Sea Legs", wheels designed to be fitted to RIBs in order to make beach-landing a breeze -- see http://www.sealegs.com , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com, http://www.slg-technologies.com , http://www.slg-technologies.com/about.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/sealegs-models.html , http://www.slg-technologies.com/system-60.html , http://www.slg-technologies.com/uploads/1/4/9/9/14993058/oem_-_system_60_overview.pdf , http://www.slg-technologies.com/uploads/1/4/9/9/14993058/oem_-_system_60_tech_specs.pdf , and http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/images1.html .

At first -- and in still images especially -- the Sealegs solution seems rather "ungainly", awkward, funny-looking, and jerry-rigged. That was definitely my first impression. It lacks the "elegance" of the Iguana.

But take a look at the videos, and it will soon become apparent that this is a solution that works, and that has proven itself in both military and civilian applications. From an engineering point of view Sealegs is much simpler than the Iguana and Gibbs amphibious vehicles, which means that there is much less to go wrong:



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And my favorite video. For discussion of a Sealegs RIB specifically, skip ahead 3 minutes 10 seconds into the video. But the whole video is well worth watching:






Philippe Starck is one of the great industrial designers of our time, and his important projects are too numerous to list. So when Starck says,


"Amphibious vehicles, I've tried all of them, I've bought all of them. But nothing works like [a Sealegs RIB]"


.....this is an endorsement worth listening to.

For more videos, see https://www.youtube.com/user/SealegsAmphibious . Note that I posted these videos in clusters of six, so that the ExPo system doesn't get too overloaded. I also posted an enormous quantity of of Sealegs videos, because this seems like a very important and relevant product for the TerraLiner.



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I have a strong feeling that other amphibious designs fail to work really well because they try to do too much. They try to be both a car and a boat, and this introduces an enormous level of mechanical complexity.

Whereas the Sealegs system isn't a "true" amphibious system at all, because it is certainly not capable of driving fast on land like a car, or like amphibious vehicles such as the Aquada, the Humdinga, or the Python and the Panther Watercars. Instead, what the Sealegs system actually is, is an "autonomous RIB launch system". The primary and indeed only purpose of Sealegs is to make it easy to launch an RIB from a beach. And Sealegs does that one job perfectly and beautifully. Once that job is done, it folds away, and allows the boat to be the perfect boat, the perfect vessel whose task is to slice through water. Although Sealegs technology is not quite as elegant as the Iguana design, it seems much less "hull-intrusive", and therefore perhaps more compatible with all types of RIB boats? Sealegs does not mess with the underlying RIB hull geometry, whereas other designs that try to be cars on land too, must necessarily mess a bit with the hull shape. So one suspects that other designs probably draw some kind of compromise between what the wheels need, versus what the hull needs.

It's noteworthy that Sealegs technology has been adapted for military and coast-guard RIB use, so it's sufficiently proven -- see http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/media.html and http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/sealegs-in-action.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/videos1.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/coast-guard.html .

As must be evident from these videos, Sealegs sells both adaptor kits consisting of just the wheels and their drive motors, as well as fully fitted RIBs. Furthermore, Sealegs sells both "professional" or "military-grade" RIBs, and more "recreational" RIBs -- see for instance http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/models.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/77f-rib.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/71m-rib.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/61m-rib.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/61m-d-tube.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/9m-interceptor.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/9m-interceptor.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/ika-11.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/amfibia.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/coast-guard.html , http://www.sealegsprofessional.com/images1.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/77m-cabin-boat.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/77f-rib.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/71m-rib.html, http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/61m-rib.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/61m-d-tube.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/smuggler-770-centre-console.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/smuggler-770-mid-cabin.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/stabicraft-2100-st.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/videos.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/images.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/contact.html , http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/news.html , and http://www.sealegsrecreational.com/sealegs-by-sarck-for-sarck.html .

Unfortunately, as per the Iguana, for some reason all Sealegs boats use outboard engines, and none are Hydrojets. Again, this strikes me as odd, because it's widely acknowledged that Hydrojets are much better suited for shallow-water exploring, driving through marshes, and beaching.

In any case, based on all of the above, I'd say that Sealegs is probably the way to go. Sealegs seems like the very best solution to the beach-launch problem. The Iguana sure looks interesting and different, but there is a kind of simplicity and ruggedness to the Sealegs solution that seems like it would withstand years of abuse.


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12. Many thanks, Libransser, for motivating this research!


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Well, this seems like a good place to stop.

As must be evident from the previous, I've been thinking intensively about the TerraLiner's RIB for months, and I've been thinking about the "ideal dive-boat" for literally decades. Remember, I am an open-ocean sailor who is equally comfortable with powerboats. At the level of "personal experience", I actually know much more about boats and the water than I do about overlanding vehicles and the land. I love the ocean; in fact, I love it more than the land. What I love most is where ocean meets land, but if I were forced to choose.....:) ...When I've lived in landlocked countries very far from the ocean, I've felt trapped. As I remarked at one point earlier in the thread, I hated living in Switzerland, because the landlocked nature of the country seems to have created a thoroughly xenophobic and inward-looking people. Yes, despite all those international institutions located in Geneva, and despite the fact that about 20 % of Switzerland's population is foreign born.....

I come from a long line of sailors: on my mother's side of the family, my grandfather ran a fleet of cargo-hauling tugboats on the Rhein River, a business that my uncle inherited. And my great-grandfather was a U-boat captain in WW 1, who sank allied shipping...:sombrero: .... I love every possible kind of watersport: waterskiing, windsurfing, kite-surfing, surfing, canoeing, kayaking, scuba-diving, you name it. So once my studies were over, I decided to unequivocally declare the TerraLiner a "Surf Glamper", and just follow my bliss, combining my knowledge of the ocean, beaches, boats, and watersports, with my emerging knowledge of overlanding concerns and technologies.

In short, I will be more than happy to discuss the design details of the "Ideal TerraLiner Hydrojet RIB Dive-boat for Coastal Exploration". But just not right now. I've written pages and pages on the topic, but haven't posted any of it yet, because I first wanted to make more headway on other matters, namely, Water, Heating, Diesel Power, Solar Power, and Wind. So if at all possible, could we perhaps put RIBs and watercraft in general on the back burner for a bit? Most recently, for instance, you've posted about Retractable Patio Covering Systems, and that would be an excellent topic to pursue further, because it relates to Solar Power and Wind.

Don't get me wrong. Your intervention regarding the problematic nature of "RIB boat launch" motivated me to do some more research into an issue that has been simmering away on the back-burner for a while. I've been keenly aware of the problem, but figured that eventually I would come across something that would solve the issue. Your intervention then motivated me to return to a few leads that I already had, for instance, Sea Legs. But to be honest, when I first saw photographs of the Sea Legs solution, it seemed so "naff", so jerry-rigged, ersatz, clumsy, and just a bit weird, that I couldn't take it seriously. It certainly doesn't look as "cool" as an amphibious vehicles that have retracting wheels, like the Gibbs Humdinga. Your prompting then motivated me to research Sea Legs at length, and this research has proven a revelation. Once I began looking at Sealegs videos, my attitude changed completely, and suddenly its solution seemed rather elegant; indeed, perfect.

The technology is much more robust than I initially thought, and again, it's widely used in military applications. There is much less that can go wrong mechanically, and the Sea Legs solution seems inherently more compatible with the basic design of an RIB. Because the wheels are completely separate from the hull, the hull shape can be "maximized" for RIB performance. It doesn't have to take into account wheel-wells as per the Gibbs vehicles, or caterpillar-track storage lockers as per the Iguana. Ergo, the Sealegs solution would be perfectly compatible with the very best and most advanced Hurricane hulls that Zodiac produces. The TerraLiner RIB's hull geometry could be "pure Zodiac", without compromise.

Your intervention also led me to discover the Watercar, an amphibious vehicle that I hadn't come across before. Although it's no substitute for a proper RIB dive-boat, the "Panther" Watercar seems like it might make the perfect TOAD, if only it had a turbocharged diesel engine!! In addition, all that would be needed is a custom-made camperette "hard top" above, as per the Earthroamer XV-JP. With a few deliberately applied dents and scratches, the "Panther" Watercar might prove perfect for grocery-fetching in Second and Third-World markets. It already looks so "antiquated" or "retro", with those huge fenders, that most people will probably think it's a 1940's clunker, and not worth stealing. With an olive-drab, military-grey, or camouflage-sand-colored monotone paint-job, people might never guess that it's one of the most advanced and mechanically sophisticated vehicles on the planet:



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And again, if the local bridge on the way to the Third-World market is washed out, no problem!!

That's a real find, and may completely change my thinking about the TOAD and its camperette. The engine certainly could be replaced with a Yanmar turbocharged diesel of equivalent power, the kind used in a Williams Diesejet. That would void any warranty, of course, but the "holy fuel-power grail" of integrated TerraLiner systems design is "one fuel only". And that fuel must be diesel.

Another major "plus", is that the "Panther" Watercar would give the TerraLiner a second back up-boat. So if for any reason something goes wrong with the RIB while it's in the ocean, the "Panther" Watercar might come to the rescue. And vice-versa. It would provide a nice added layer of "redundancy", "water security", and "back up".

One hopes that the "Panther" Watercar" might also be reasonably good at rock-crawling, although there's some cause for concern on that score. Unfortunately the tire size is fixed, and needles to say one can't apply a "Lift Kit" so that the vehicle could take 35 inch or 37 inch tires -- see https://www.watercar.com/faq . The Earthroamer XV-JP was fitted with 33-inch tires, the largest tires for the Jeep Rubicon that come "standard" from the factory -- see http://www.earthroamer.com/tab_xpedition_vehicles/xvjp5_specs.html and http://tire-size-conversion.com/tires/Goodyear/Wrangler-DuraTrac-285-70R17.htm . Whereas the "Panther" Watercar is only fitted with 30-inch tires -- see https://www.watercar.com/product/specifications and http://tire-size-conversion.com/tiresizes/30X9.50R15.htm . Not exactly the best size for rock-crawling....

But in any case, once more, your intervention prompted me to put my nose back to the grindstone -- as far as RIBs are concerned -- and led me to find a real, truly proven solution to the boat-launch problem, namely, Sea Legs. I can't thank you enough for that. One more item off my checklist!!


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13. Some Suggestions for Discussion Topics over the Next Few Weeks


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So once again, if possible, for now let's concentrate on some of the topics addressed in the 28-page posting series, which begins on page 153, at http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...igid-Torsion-Free-Frame?p=1923940#post1923940 . There's tons to chew on there, for instance, topics like:


(a) Glamping on Coastal Farmland -- see http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...edition-RV-w-Rigid-Torsion-Free-Frame/page156


(b) Pathogens in the water, and different possible water-filtration systems. I still don't know which brand of Watermaker Blissmobil uses, for instance. See http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...edition-RV-w-Rigid-Torsion-Free-Frame/page158


(c) Any and all "water consumption" issues more generally


(d) Far-Infrared Heating -- http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...edition-RV-w-Rigid-Torsion-Free-Frame/page159


(e) Video reviews or experiential feedback regarding the Cinderella and EcoJohn Toilets -- see http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...edition-RV-w-Rigid-Torsion-Free-Frame/page158


(f) Atmospheric Water Generators



(g) And if nothing else catches your fancy, Solar Power, Awnings, and Wind. So far I've only just scratched the surface of suppliers and manufacturers of Retractable Patio Covering Systems. It would be great if someone were willing to do a bit more research, and come up with a short-list of manufacturers or suppliers. The same as regards manufacturers of Far-Infrared Heating Panels.


This thread can gyrate all over the place, but it has been most productive when forum participants decide to zoom in on just one topic, for instance, straight-axle versus independent suspension, and really run with it. That particular topic turned into a heated debate between dwh and thjakits. But even if it was a bit stressful for them, it was immensely valuable for the rest of us.....:sombrero:

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Not all such systems can sustain such high wind-speeds, but the best-built systems claim that they can. Which means that such a system covered with thin-film flexible solar panels will be able to withstand wind-speeds quite a bit stronger than 33 mph, the speed at which the Smartflower begins to retract.

According to one website, Retractable Patio Covering Systems can withstand a wind load up to 55 - 63 mph, depending on the model -- see https://www.retractableawnings.com and https://www.retractableawnings.com/choose-your-awning.html :

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This corresponds to Force 10 on the Beaufort scale -- see https://www.retractableawnings.com/choose-your-awning.html , https://www.retractableawnings.com/...tion & Beaufort Scale/BEAUFORT_SCALE_PAGE.pdf :

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One model from this company, which is not fabric-retractable but rather a louvered design, is even claimed to be able to withstand a wind load up to Force 12 + on the Beaufort scale -- see https://www.retractableawnings.com/patio-cover-awnings/bioclimatique.html .

Hi Biotect,

It doesn't seem to me that the retractable awnings that can withstand those high wind speeds are very portable. The supporting structures look huge, way bigger than even the outriggers of a firetruck.

But they are for fixed residential use. No wonder can they withstand such wind speeds.

I'm guessing even the fabric is much heavier than normal awning fabric.

I helped to install a fixed canvas awning in my house some time ago. The dimensions of the canvas were maybe 7x2.8 meters. The canvas fabric by itself was a heavy sonovavitch. It withstood pretty well heavy rains and winds caused by hurricanes (I live 2 hours away from the coast, in a city surrounded by hills) while in good condition. But it had a lot of fixed anchoring points. The sun eventually ate the canvas away.

The awning in the first of those videos is from another company. The structure appears a size more manageable but I couldn't find that model on their website, so I don't know how much wind resistant is.

 

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Hi Biotect,

To be honest, I didn't know exactly what you meant with coastal exploration. It didn't occur to me that you also intended diving.

Now that you have described more about what you want to experience, I can see how the RIB will fit in the grand scheme of things.

I don't know much about boats, so I have learned a great deal about the RIBs. Although I have seen them being used by special forces, I too was of the impression that they were more toy than real boats.

If money were no objection, my equivalent of the TerraLiner would be just one part of my ideal way of travel the world. I would also build a Yacht small enough to store the TerraLiner-equivalent, while having ample living space. In essence, the TL-equivalent would be the TOAD to the Yacht.

The caterpillar tracks of the Iguana Yachts are brilliant! They would solve the problem I was having in my head imagining how the hell can the Yacht load/unload the TerraLiner-equivalent anywhere. Certainly the caterpillar tracks seem better suited for a larger, heavier boat.

For the RIB, the Sea Legs seems the most practical choice.

Not wanting to extend much more the talk of boats right now, but before we change to other things...

If I have interpreted your comments correctly, am I understanding that you are designing the TerraLiner with the idea to be able to "carry" the RIB?

Hey, are you a fan of Waterworld?
 

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Yeah, it's a common American misconception that RIBs are just toy boats.


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A few years ago Zodiac thought that there might be a civilian market for an ultra-high performance “Adventure” version of its military-specification Hurricane. There is an excellent article on-line at Power and Motoryacht, that describes Zodiac's reasoning – see http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-tests/extreme-rib , http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-tests/extreme-rib-page-2 , http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-tests/extreme-rib-page-3 , etc.:


The world of extreme sports has gained a significant following. Turn on ESPN most any day of the week, and you'll see clips of extreme skiing, rock climbing, and similar sports made popular by shows like X Games and Gravity Games. Bigger, more powerful all-terrain vehicles like the Hummer H2 have taken off-roading to a new level of extreme enjoyment, but as far as recreational boating is concerned, outside of go-fast boats on poker runs, the “extreme” element hasn't caught on. And for good reason: When it comes to the ocean, Mother Nature can be entirely unforgiving and almost always has the upper hand.

But Zodiac's latest launch, the CZ7 Ultimate Adventure Boat, might just give Mother Nature a run for her money. Not only is this RIB designed with “mastering the elements” in mind, it's also intended to be a primary boat, not a tender, capable of speeds in excess of 45 knots.

The 24-foot CZ7 (which stands for Civilian Zodiac 7-meter) was created because Zodiac believes there's an untapped market for an extreme adventure boat, just as there was for an SUV with attitude like the popular Hummer. Because of this, the CZ7 was, according to its builder, designed to handle all sea and weather conditions and “is built to a different standard than anything else of its kind.” In fact, Zodiac says the military-style CZ7 is “a direct crossover from the H-7333 military RIB used by the U.S. Navy and Canadian Coast Guard for severe-weather rescue, commando insertion, mine patrol, and drug interdiction.” And here's the novel part: This swift RIB is available to recreational boaters just like you and me.



If you've ever wondered what might be the equivalent, in a boat, of a Mercedes G-wagen, the Zodiac CZ7 is it:



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As articles describing the CZ7 nicely summarize things, this is a civilian version of the same Hurricane H-733 Special Warfare RIB that's used by Navy SEALs – see http://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/outdoors/a194/1277276/ , http://www.justluxe.com/lifestyle/luxury-yachts/article-382.php , http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/000721.html , http://www.komar.org/faq/zodiac-boats/ , http://hotribs.com/03press/167-zht/zodiac.asp , http://boattest.com.au/content/boat_pages/zodiac_cz7.php , http://sacsmarine.com/zodiac-cz7-3/ , http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2004-09-13/business/0409100884_1_spring-boat-zodiac-adventure , http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=5&tID=95335 , and http://powerboatandrib.com/tests/boat-tests/492-zodiac-cz7-heritage.html .

Here are is the PDF description of the military verison of the boat, which one can find on Zodiac's website at http://zodiacmilpro.com/hurricane-ribs/customization/ and http://zodiacmilpro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/733IO2.pdf ; a PDF of a review article that appeared in "Trailer Boats" magazine -- see http://www.bwi.org/images/extreme.pdf ; and a small gallery of still photographs:



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Note that even though such huge RIBs are unfamiliar to most Americans, for many years now mega-RIBs have proven popular ultra-luxe powerboats in the Mediterranean. Here are a few videos of a 14 m (46 foot) made by just one manufacture, Pirelli, from their “Pzero” line of boats:






For Pirelli's Youtube channel, with more videos than you'll ever have time to watch, see https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0G6C0E9Wd6W7mMVwu8bTxg .

And here is a video of what is (apparently) the world's largest RIB, to demonstrate just how large these boats can get:






I featured the Pirelli Pzero 1400 boat because I like its design in particular.

However, it must be emphasized that if you start reasearching the world of Euro-Med ultra-luxe mega-RIBs, you will quickly learn that all of them have “futuristic” biomorphic designs of this kind. None of them are designed for “Kombat Boating”. The design objective is for the boat to look both powerful and sexy, both potent and curvilinear. The design objective is not for these boats to look macho and threatening.

Power combined with sensual curvilinearity may seem like contradictory or oxymoronic design objectives in the minds of many Americans. But clearly, lots of European designers and their customers feel differently.

If you start watching mega-RIB videos, you may also note that many or perhaps even most are in Italian. In videos that describe these boats, usually no concession whatsoever is made to English as the world's currently dominant lingua franca. That's because there is virtually no Anglophonic market for such RIBs. You will see a few such mega-RIBs in Miami and perhaps Newport Beach in southern California, bumping up against non-RIB go-fasts like Cigarettes and Magnums – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go-fast_boat , https://www.cigaretteracing.com/eng/index.php , http://magnummarine.com , and http://magnummarine.com/project/80/ . But that's about it.

So why buy a RIB instead of a Magnum or a Cigarette?

Because RIBs are faster. Just ask the U.S. Coast Guard, or the Navy Seals.

So too, these curvaceous mega-RIBs are designed for sunny Mediterranean, North African, Red Sea, and Persian Gulf climates, where the whole point to power-boating is simply to be out on the water, relax, and get a sun tan. That's why they have such large open decks covered with cushions, so that the rich owner's bevy of female "companions" can sun tan horizontally.


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Now Zodiac, knowing that such a big market exists for such mega-RIBs in Europe and the Middle East (a market that Zodiac serves with its N-Zo line of boats), wondered how it might “introduce” Americans to a type of boat that they basically do not understand.

Zodiac reasoned as follows – see http://powerboatandrib.com/tests/boat-tests/492-zodiac-cz7-heritage.html . Typically most Americans think of inflatable boats as toys, even though the American military, Coast Guard, and Law Enforcement Agencies have precisely the opposite view:


Zodiac of North America (ZNA) conducted quite a bit of research in the U.S. about the use of RIBs as primary recreation boats. It learnt that RIBs generally are not understood by American consumers or by many in the recreational marine industry. That said, the professional and military sectors certainly understand the benefits - the federal government uses RIBs extensively and RIBs of course are also well understood as yacht tenders for megayachts and other vessels.

[Parenthetical note: When the United States Coast Guard began confronting the problem of intercepting drug-smugglers using Cigarette Go-Fasts, it chose to use specially designed RIBs like Zodiac Hurricanes, and not Cigarettes – again see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go-fast_boat ].

However, the inherent safety and performance benefits of RIBs - smoother and drier ride, handling characteristics/benefits, better buoyancy, lighter weight, fuel efficiency and so on still need to be appreciated by the larger American boating public. We are aware that such is not the case in Europe and elsewhere, where RIBs are a popular choice for recreational boating. So we’re introducing the CZ7 in North America as a ‘showcase boat’ to dramatically illustrate the reasons why a RIB is a better boat than a conventional boat of the same size.



In other words, put more cynically, Zodiac reasoned that the only way Americans were going to buy such a boat, is if it looked maxed-out, ultra-male, super-macho, and militaresque. If it looked like a mega-RIB for Kombat Boating. Because that's the only kind of RIB that America's hyper-masculine culture would understand. The hope was that after the CZ7 caught on, maybe Americans might be more willing to get their heads around the idea of buying a super-sensual boat like the Zodiac N-Zo.

The Zodiac N-Zo is an über-sexy, very futuristic RIB designed for Zodiac by Vittorio Garroni. Even the shortest 6 m version of this line of boats still have very large, almost "phaillic" 60 cm buoyancy tubes – see http://www.zodiac-nautic.co.uk , http://www.zodiac-nautic.co.uk/boat/158/n-zo-600 , http://www.zodiac-nautic.co.uk/boat/159/n-zo-680 , http://www.zodiac-nautic.co.uk/boat/54/n-zo-700-cabin , http://www.zodiac-nautic.co.uk/boat/160/n-zo-760 , http://www.zodiac-boats.co.uk/acatalog/Zodiac-N-Zo-600-NZO600.html , http://www.zodiacmarineusa.com , http://www.zodiacmarineusa.com/boat/158/n-zo-600 , etc. (same series, but on U.S. website), http://www.zodiac-nautic.co.uk/brochures , http://medias.zodiac-nautic.com/pdf/00/00/00/95/n-zo-2013-eng-9526.pdf , https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHE_jmPxsQD1JLYTCosl9tg , and http://www.garronidesign.com :



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Again, even though Americans are not familiar with them, that doesn't mean that these are toy boats. They are anything but, and their prices and performance specifications make this loud and clear.


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Now here's the thing: the Zodiac Hurricane CZ7 came out a while ago. In fact, it's now 10 years old. The review articles that I've cited all date back to 2004 – 2008, and the CZ7 does not appear as a product offering on Zodiac's current website.

In other words: the marketing experiment did not work. Even a super-macho, American-tailored RIB like the CZ7 simply did not catch on. It crashed and burned in the American marketplace.

In all fairness, it's probably more a geographic and climatological thing, than a cultural one. The United States does not have a huge, warm, inland sea like the Mediterranean, dotted with countless islands and ancient ports, where millionaires and billionaires have created an “ultra-luxe” boating culture. The closest equivalent would be the Inside Passage from Alaska down to Puget Sound – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Passage , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Coast , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puget_Sound . Or perhaps coastal New England from Maine up to Newfoundland. But millionaires and billionaires of the kind who buy mega-RIBS for use in the Mediterranean, the Red Sea, and the Persian Gulf, are not exactly in abundance in the frigid waters of British Columbia, Maine, or Nova Scotia.

The only other places in North America and Carribbean where one could imagine such boats having some kind of use and consumer market, would be (a) Miami, where they could make fast runs to the Bahamas; (b) the Bahamas; (c) the Virgin Islands, where they would make excellent inter-island exploration boats; and (d) the Grenadines.

With all that said, however, it does seem that in the world of American-designed and fabricated power boats, in more recent years a kind of “Euro-styling” (i.e. curvilinearity) has been gradually replacing boxy American styling. And so too the European concept of a large, open-deck “dayboat” has been influencing American design, even if the full concept has not yet been fully implemented:


The boom years of the late ‘90s allowed builders to invest heavily in R&D, new designs, and in new molds. As a result there has been a rapid model replacement and general product up-grade over the last few years. That, together with new technology, has created a big jump in sportboat designs over the last several years.

For example, there are more new and different hull shapes on the market than ever before. Deep-Vs are deeper for more comfort, a number of builders have introduced “step” hulls for added speed, more hulls have reverse chines now for stability and dryness, and boats designed for wakeboarding have all manner of bottom shapes and devices to shoot a wake.

Styling has continued to move dramatically toward Euro-styling and away from the boxy, squared-off American look which was still around a decade ago. And the concept of the large (and very expensive) Italian “day boat” is influencing sportboat functionality and interior design, as builders cram more amenities into small places. Creature comforts such as seats and sunpads are generally much better built, and of higher quality than ever before.

New technology has come to sportboats, too. Now you can get Sirius satellite radio installed in your bowrider! Stereo systems are more water-resistant than ever before. VHF radios are smaller. MerCruiser now offers SmartCraft, which monitors the engine and other ship's systems. Volvo Penta has introduced a new material for lower units which gives more saltwater protection, and Genmar-owned builders offer “FirstMate”, a GPS-based safety and concierge service on many of their models.

And new types of boats are increasing in popularity. More and more builders are making “deck boats” and the concept has caught on with the boating public of having a large, stable, watersports platform.


See http://www.boattest.com/Resources/articles.aspx .



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5. The TerraLiner's RIB needs to be a Zodiac Hurricane, at least in terms of structure and quality of build


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With all that said about aesthetics, there is no question that purely at an engineering level, the TerraLiner's RIB needs to be designed something along the lines of a Zodiac aluminum-hulled Hurricane, with all the robustness and sea-keeping ability that such a RIB provides.

Observe, for instance, that Hurricanes are built so well, they seem to maintain a great deal of their resale value, even after the standard 4 – 8 year “useful life” depreciation period for a power boat – see http://www.boattest.com/Resources/articles.aspx#moveup . Even used Hurricanes do not come cheap. A 7 meter model constructed in 2013 – a 733L – is asking 130,000 USD, while a similar length 7.32 m model that's 9 years older, from 2004, is still asking 62,000 USD – see http://ca.boats.com/power-boats/2013-zodiac-733l-4870759#.VbR9iEsyZsg and http://ca.boats.com/power-boats/2004-zodiac-hurricane-milspec-5106036#.VbR9cksyZsg . But the latter's hull is aluminum, while the former is fiberglass, and generally speaking aluminum-hulled boats tend to retain their value much better than fiberglass boats – see http://www.aluminum.org/sites/default/files/Aluminum_Boats.pdf , http://www.theoutdoorline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=242 , http://www.kastenmarine.com/articles.htm , http://www.kastenmarine.com/aluminum.htm , http://www.kastenmarine.com/composites.htm , http://www.metalboatsociety.com , http://www.moggaro.com/advantages.html , http://www.rocksaltboats.com , http://www.rocksaltboats.com/boats , http://www.harborguardboats.com , http://www.harborguardboats.com/about-us.html , and http://tehani.org/why_aluminum.html .

As another article in the same series suggests, differences in boat quality are usually not visible to first-time buyers, because much of the difference is structural and hidden – see http://www.boattest.com/Resources/articles.aspx#quality . The average buyer also probably can't tell the difference between ordinary stainless grab-rails, and 316-grade stainless steel grab-rails. But there are good reasons why the Zodiac CZ7 cost almost 200,000 USD back in 2007, despite the fact that it seemed like such a utilitarian, “no-frills” boat topside – see http://www.rib.net/forum/f45/why-are-these-zodiac-733s-so-expensive-39825.html , http://www.rib.net/forum/f45/why-are-these-zodiac-733s-so-expensive-39825-2.html , and http://www.rib.net/forum/f45/why-are-these-zodiac-733s-so-expensive-39825-3.html .

Here are two great quotes from the last blog-reference:


Let me share a comparison that might help. I have a Hurricane 590. A friend has a Bombard RIB which is about the same length and width. Comparing them is a bit like comparing a Hummer to a Ford Explorer... same general idea, but the one is just entirely different.

My boat is rated for a 150 and flies. His is rated for a 90 and chugs in anything other than flt calm.

In the Great Lakes, we get a lot of close waves. In dead calm, he flies, I'm a little sluggish. At 6" chop, he runs well, so do I. In a 1' chop, he's getting banged around, I'm starting to have fun. In a 2' chop, he's down to a crawl and getting the stuffing pounded out of him and I am pounding through the waves and tossing a lot of water.

At 3', he's probably not going out, but he's likely dropping by. At 4' and up, he hasn't untarped his boat, and I'm out playing in the waves and going diving...

I have a range of 130 miles with my inboard tank. He has a range limited to the Jerry cans he can carry.

Every accessory on his boat will break of you bang into it. Mine will break whatever hits it.

On the other hand, he paid about $30K new. Mine is probably $110K new. He pulls his with a V6 Ford Escape. I need a V8 Tahoe. And so it goes.

It all depends what you need... and want.

I became hooked on Hurricanes when I went whale watching in a 733 with twin 150s years ago. They are amazing boats and if I had the money, I'd own one.


Great comparison, you're right on the money. Hurricane is hard on the body all the time, but it flies over the worst seas.

I had the chance to use 733 with twin 150's for 2 years (1 year Coast Guard and 1 year Whale watching captain) and nothing I've tried since is comparable, NOTHING!. In fact I loved so much that boat that I decided to make a career in Zodiac RIB sale. Telling you how much I love these boats would take a whole website so...

I get asked all the time prices for Hurricane and I give customers a reality check when I tell them the price. Example: A well motorized and well equipped 590 will turn around 130K$ CAD and a Hurricane 733 with CG configuration will turn around 250K$ CAD, a Hurricane 930OB will turn around 330K$ CAD....

I think most of the reasons for these high prices are that most of these boats are custom made and custom designed, made to accomplish specific task, very VERY high standard of quality, lots of custom hardware, north american employees salary rates, most of the time full production etc....

Hurricane is not luxury, its quality. I think we're are not used to pay more for quality in RIB, we're used to pay more for luxury and that is why people are questionning Hurricane's pricing.


OK, that's enough about Zodiac Hurricane RIBs, at least for now. I already had the above material written, so your comment, Libransser, was literally a perfect "set up" for these posts!!


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