spressomon
Expedition Leader
charlieaarons said:
Ok...you've got my attention...now how about some pics?
The era of the 100 is here.
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Ok...you've got my attention...now how about some pics?
spressomon
Expedition Leader
Ok...found the pics: "UNCLE"! :iagree:
Brian894x4
Explorer
charlieaarons said:
You're not kidding. My 80 isn't my daily driver, but it still makes me sick everytime I have to pay about $70-80 to fill it up and only get about 250 miles on a single tank. So, in addition to cost of fuel, there's the lack of range, which has already been a problem. I love my 80 a great deal and dont' regret buying one, but not I'm sure either an 80 or 100 is such a wise investment going forward, especially in light of the cost to buy and build one. I just don't foresee fuel prices ever coming down and I wonder if SUVs like ours, will actually become targets of both the government the enviros going forward in the form of vandelism and extra taxes and fees. It kind of seems like our society is heading that direction.
spressomon
Expedition Leader
Brian894x4 said:
You know...we all use energy/natural resources differently. Folks that drive fuel efficient vehicles and then sneer at me/us are ignorant of their own carbon footprint (most anyway!). Sorta like the folks that think hunting is cruel...but have no problem woof'n down a chicken breast sandwich, t-bone, or whatever factory grown meat product they consume without a second thought about that animal's quality of life er...inequality of life...or how/where it got onto their plate. The list of compares is almost endless.
People don't have any problem driving to the airport to board a plane to go to a resort to spend resources in a fancy hotel/resort...so it's all about trade-offs and how we all justify our own use of energy/natural resources...it'd just be nice if more people realized their own impact and the trade-offs we all can and do make from time to time.
"I'm a vegetarian...but I eat fish and chicken"...I can't tell ya how many times I have overheard people say shyte like that!
A Prius, as much as I like 'em, isn't going to get me very far off the beaten path.
Ok...sorry for the rant...you hit a hot button of mine.
24HOURSOFNEVADA
Expedition Leader
A diesel conversion on a landcruiser (They didn't care what series it was) from dieseltoyz.com runs about $20,000.00 (This was last weeks price as I was quoted directly from them). The breakdown was $12000.00 for the halfcut from japan and $8000.00 for labor.
Compared to a diesel Tacoma double cab at about $12000.00 total. That's a lot of unleaded fuel anyway you cut it. Oh and if you think they are over priced for a factory finish, they stated that there is an eight month waiting period to have a conversion completed.
I'll continue to look for my used 100 series with a petrol V-8.
Compared to a diesel Tacoma double cab at about $12000.00 total. That's a lot of unleaded fuel anyway you cut it. Oh and if you think they are over priced for a factory finish, they stated that there is an eight month waiting period to have a conversion completed.
I'll continue to look for my used 100 series with a petrol V-8.
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Brian894x4
Explorer
spressomon said:
No problem. I completely agree with you. I drive a 17 year old Honda Civic as my daily driver, but what concerns me is that I'm seeing a social change in this country. People want someone/thing to blame for global warming and high gas prices. And no I'm not debating the legitimacy of either issue, but one major scapegoat is SUVs, like the Hummer. The Land Cruiser doesn't seem to come up much, but an SUV is an SUV. We've sort of fortunately flown under the radar of the enviro nut jobs and the Hummers have taken most of the brunt, lately. Perhaps partly, because Toyota has a reputation for good gas mileage, no matter the size, so the assumption is that the Land Cruisers do well. Little do they know. Of course, that all may get shattered with the introduction of the new Land Cruiser, which is truly huge and has a huge V-8 to go with it.
I just wonder if socially and governmentally, if future taxes, regulations, etc, might spell the end of these vehicles, including our older models.
Sort of like smoking. Sure it's still legal, but there's not many places left where you can, cigs are expensive, and it's now truly socially unacception to most people. In fact, now they are considering a 1000% tax on cigars. I just wonder if that's the future of the Land Cruiser wagon. Extra taxes, social stigma, and restrictions on where/when they can drive.
calamaridog
Expedition Leader
My truck gets 15 mpg on the hwy doing 75. The tank is 25 gallons but the gas light comes on at 20. I usually fill up right at 300 miles. It isn't cheap, but I knew it wouldn't be. I didn't plan to drive 3000+ miles per month either, but that is just temporary.
I'm feeling good about the truck. At 115,000 miles, it runs like a champ. I just need to sort out some worn steering components, and hopefully Dan will pioneer some suspension improvements
As far as a diesel conversion, I think Alan Podvin swapped a Duramax into one of his frankenstein 100's.
Frankly, I don't see how a diesel conversion is cost effective at all. I'm planning on at least 250,000 miles out of the current motor, and why not more? I was also planning on buying an extra motor and storing it. I've seen motors with around 50k miles going for less than $2000 complete.
I'm feeling good about the truck. At 115,000 miles, it runs like a champ. I just need to sort out some worn steering components, and hopefully Dan will pioneer some suspension improvements
As far as a diesel conversion, I think Alan Podvin swapped a Duramax into one of his frankenstein 100's.
Frankly, I don't see how a diesel conversion is cost effective at all. I'm planning on at least 250,000 miles out of the current motor, and why not more? I was also planning on buying an extra motor and storing it. I've seen motors with around 50k miles going for less than $2000 complete.
DaveInDenver
Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Wow! Jarco gets about $3K for a Hilux half cut with a 2L-TE and $4K for a Hilux half cut with a 1KZ-TE. Dunno hours on a swap, but $8K is probably in the 75 hours range, which is probably about right on. The wiring harness from the JDM vehicles is set up for a RHD and the bulk of the labor of switching a 22R motor to a 2L motor is flipping the wiring to LHD. The drivetrains themselves are more or less bolt in. Went through this engine stuff when mine died and I decided to stick with a gasoline engine. It helps that my little 22R-E gets 20 MPG on average, which isn't too bad, and has a 19 gallon fuel tank. I can live with a 350 mile range before breaking out the aux storage. It's slow, but no slower than a 2L would be and the up side IMHO is finding parts and service is not a problem anywhere.24HOURSOFNEVADA said:
24HOURSOFNEVADA
Expedition Leader
I have no experience with Jarco, but Dieseltoyz did say the tacos and 4runners were alot cheaper. I also called Pendy (Land Rover Genius) on the same day last week and asked about converting a Land Rover Discovery to 300 TDI motor. He will do it for about 12000. to 14000.00. That's still alot of unleaded when it seems I keep a rig for only two or three years.
charlieaarons
Explorer
spressomon said:
I agree with you 100%. If "they" don't like how much fuel is being burned, "they" can enact a $2.50/gal fuel tax, which will solve our national debt, lower income taxes and decrease oil imports. I'd like that; then "they" could shut up and fork over the money. And the highways would be a bit less congested. And I am not being sarcastic. I think that would solve the fuel economy "problem" if such exists, with pure market forces, not heavy handed big brother legislation, which seems to be the approach so far in this country. I think then we'd see a flood of light duty diesels, and some diesel-electric hybrids.
I've always liked diesels; I put a Perkins 4.236 in a FJ40 in 1975, about 30 years too early.
Charlie
spressomon
Expedition Leader
charlieaarons said:
Without the current U.S. federal government oil/fuel industry subsidies it is said our current price per gallon would be at $10.00 per gallon.
DaveInDenver
Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Exxon's refining margins are around $40 per barrel at the current price of oil. Remove subsidies and other artificial pricing variables and I still think the current price of gasoline would be the more or less purely market determined price. So assuming the price of gasoline is $3, Exxon generates $126 per barrel of oil. If the crude cost $75, that means there is $51 in cost and profit (so $10 of each barrel does not go to Exxon, mostly taxes I'd expect). Assuming those costs stayed fixed, at $10/gallon for gasoline, each barrel of oil would give Exxon 5 times the refining margins they have now. I really doubt the market would bear $10/gal and so Exxon would not naturally charge that much unless the price of crude and the cost of processing also tripled. Please expand on the $10/gal thought, that does not seem right. Who is saying this? How much of the $40 margin is subsidized? If it's most, then I could see the oil companies raising the price. OPEC largely sets the barrel price, so not much the US Government can do there. Something like 1/3 the pump price is taxes, so that's not helping anyone when they fill their tank. Subsidizes are apparently not at the refining level, since no one seems to want to tackle the red tape to get one built anymore. If they are paying them not to refine, then removing the subsidy would increase the number of refineries and the price would go down. Where are the subsidies coming and going?spressomon said:
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