Thule or Yakima?

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
I've had good luck with Yakima, others with Thule. But I'll bet no one can come close to this guy:
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Or another:
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OverlandZJ

Expedition Leader
Dave...Hilarious! :clapsmile

A local club member responded to a wanted post i made, i bought 4 Thule gutter clamps and 2 loadbars from his Cherokee. I'm going to look for another 4 clamps and 2 loadbars. If i find that it moves or bends i'll look into incorporating everything into a platform by tieing it in with an outer frame and floor.

Mark, betcha there is a thicker wall square tubing that'll work with the Thule towers.

Thanks all...
 

\\'anderer

Adventurer
articulate said:
What about replacing the cross bars with steel tubing that's the same diameter? Unless the diameter is a strange dimension, I don't know why that wouldn't be a fairly inexpensive fix. Or maybe a support in the middle. Thoughts?

Mark

Good idea, I am planning on making the tubes attach to the tent better, possibly eliminating a large amount of flex. The tubes will be semi-permanently attached to the tent base.
 

Funrover

Expedition Leader
YAKIMA ALL THE WAY!!!!!! I have had nothing but troubles with thule..... Yakima has been great and we have used them for years without any issues!!!
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tacollie

Glamper
Many of my friends have Yakima and are happy with them. I have had a Thule bike carrier break. It was one of their early disk compatible carriers and they said it was a design flaw and replaced it for free. Luckily I was going slow. No problems since. My point was their customer service was great.
 

mountainpete

Spamicus Eliminatus
I have been using Yakima for about 10 years now. Overall, I have been very impressed up until this year. I am consistantly having issues with my crossbars coming loose now. The rack is 10 years old though and they have changed the design.

Pete
 

elcoyote

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0004
I have used both. Both have a great products. I used to tote my 14' sunfish sailboat on top of my Subaru Justy with just 2 Yakima bars.

We opted to use Thule at AT here for RTT applications because the rectangular bar offers more surface area for mounting and hence less psi on the contact point between tent extrusion mounting and the load bar. Yakima makes a great product for adapting Yakima products to Thule bars called a Universal Snap Around (Part # SNAR). Unfortunately Thule does not make an equivalent product to fit Yakima products to theirs.
 

Nullifier

Expedition Leader
elcoyote said:
I have used both. Both have a great products. I used to tote my 14' sunfish sailboat on top of my Subaru Justy with just 2 Yakima bars.

We opted to use Thule at AT here for RTT applications because the rectangular bar offers more surface area for mounting and hence less psi on the contact point between tent extrusion mounting and the load bar. Yakima makes a great product for adapting Yakima products to Thule bars called a Universal Snap Around (Part # SNAR). Unfortunately Thule does not make an equivalent product to fit Yakima products to theirs.

Actually most Thule accessories are now designed to work with Thule, Yakima and factory crossbars. Almost all of their accessories use a universal mounting bracket which is metal not plastic like the yakima system.
 

Nullifier

Expedition Leader
mountainpete said:
I have been using Yakima for about 10 years now. Overall, I have been very impressed up until this year. I am consistantly having issues with my crossbars coming loose now. The rack is 10 years old though and they have changed the design.

Pete

If you are using a Qtower type system the issue is not common to you. The way the old Q tower was designed it would tear the vinyl cover over the bar when tightening down. One it tore the Bars and towers would not no longer tighten properly. They redesigned the Q tower about 2 years ago and that is no longer a problem. It is now easier to set up and no longer tears up the vinyl cover over the crossbar.
 

Schattenjager

Expedition Leader
I opted for the Yakima setup for a couple of basic reasons - round tubes are stronger that flattened tubes (which is not really an issue - the roof will more than likely fail before either tube does) and that anything made for the Thule system will work with Yakima. The guy at REI showed me some boat and bike stuff that was not 100% Thule useable unless you bought extra stuff. Also, I can't see mounting something to just one bar - so the the twisting / pivot problem associated with round bars is moot.
 

Nullifier

Expedition Leader
The reality of it is that both comapnies have good product, In certain areas Thule outshines Yakima and visa versa. However there are a few things that are in Thule's favor. First All of Thule's rack systems under go the European lab strength tests & Yakima does not. Now they both come with a lifetime warranty but that was Thule leading the way. Over the past few years Yakima has spent more $ devoping bike stuff then Thule and Thule has been developing the watersports stuff. It shows how they are winning in each arena based on product design. Yakima though has become obsessed with designing stuff that looks very polished and we all know that products that look pretty are almost impossible to build with great strength and durability. This is a move to appease the masses of soccer moms and lexus owners not Expo people.

Now as to the Outdoorsman vs the xsporter, the outdoorsman couldn't hold the xsporters jock. I have not only bent 4 good bars on the outdoorsman but I have had the stainless machine screws that tighten the crossbars mounting colars, snap off while on a trip. That was a huge pain in the butt. I also had a small vine catch a corner of the rack and pull it off the bed rail by actually bending the "J" bolts that hold the assembly on the bed rail. I also was constantly having to readjust the unit becuase it would slid around the bed rails with heavy loads under vibration. My xporter went on and on it's first baja trip and never moved, never lossened etc. I also cought it on a tree and it did not budge. This is due to the fact that the xsporter tower attaches using 2 mounting points per tower as opposed to the outdoorsmans one per tower. If the outdoorsman would use 2 mounts per tower it would not slide around and would not come off as easy. The crossbars have never bent because thay are not a standard bar. The bar was designed specifically for the application which is the way it should be.

Now as a dealer for both brands I have personally installed probably about 8-900 racks over the years. My staff countless more. I can tell you that we kept shop notes on installs as to make recomendations for customers with certain models of cars as to which fit better. Example. On early saturns the yakima Q clip would grap onto the plastic door jamb cover. The thule install required removing that piece so a clip could then be attached to the metal structure behind that plastic cover. So what would you rather trust a load to the plastic cover or the metal structure of the cars body? An advantage of having a rack that goes through an independent cert process for strength.

Thule relies on mostly metal parts for this reason. The metal will not degrade over a few years due to U.V. exposure like most of Yakima's stuff. And yes I know some of you will tell me that you have the old Yakima 1A rain gutter towers and they have been working great for 10 years. Well Good for you. All I can say on the matter is that I pulled that particular Yakima product off my shelf and would not sell it as a liability was at hand. I have broke 4 1A tower personally and have had atleast 5 or 6 customers break them too. Everytime there was either car or toy damage which yakima would say "we do not cover damages to vehicles" I broke one coming back from Utah a few years ago on the road. Broke a 3K racing shell that had never been in the water when it happened. I called at 3:00 which is the cut off time for overnight shipping. I got a rep on the line and they said oh I'm sorry we can't overnight till tomorrow. You missed the cut off by 3 minutes! I said are you crazy call the warehouse and tell them to throw one on the truck. I buy over 100k a year with you guys. they refused. I called Thule 25 minutes past there cut off time and they overnighted me a complete rack system to a hotel up the road. on 2 other occasions Yakima was moving and I would call as a dealer for some kind of Tech issue and I would get a message that said "Thanks for calling Yakima dealer support line. Due to the fact that everyone is in mandatory corperate meetings we can not help you at this time. Please call back later" Hell I couldn't even leave a message! This went on for a month both times LOL! The first time that happened was when I opened my Thule Dealership.

There are fans in both camps but facts are facts and Now I have related some between the lines opinions as a dealer based on personal experience but here is a fact summery

Yakima Mostly composite components that degrade to U.V. over time.
Thule mostly metal construction that will hold strong for much longer.

Yakima a little more user friendly in some areas of assembly and cosmetically more appealing
Thule sticks to Form follows function rule and care less about cosmetic perfection and sometimes install ease.

Cost of comparable products about the same.

Yakima now made in Mexico
Thule made in USA and Sweden

Both Brands readily available Nation wide
Thule available worldwide

Thule owned by European corp
Yakima primarily owned by First national Bank of Islam!
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Nullifier said:
And yes I know some of you will tell me that you have the old Yakima 1A rain gutter towers and they have been working great for 10 years. Well Good for you.
My 1A towers are about 14 years old now, still going strong. The Q-towers we have on the Honda are from 1999 and it sits outside in the sun. Can't complain, the racks see a lot of high elevation sun, lots of intense UV. The only problem I have is with the old Q-towers cutting into the vinyl of the cross bars, they tend to rust getting peppered with rocks and de-icer seeping in the cuts all winter.
Yakima primarily owned by First national Bank of Islam!
That's true, First Islamic Investment Bank E.C. to be precise. They own Yakima and WaterMark Paddlesports (i.e. Perception and Dagger) through a holding company called Destination Outdoors. I found this out after I bought some Yakima parts, which while I have always loved Yak racks, will be my last.
 

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