Time for new tires

Pick the new tire for the Taco

  • BFG KM2 255/85R16 - The gold standard MT

    Votes: 28 43.1%
  • BFG AT 285/75R16- Pricey for an AT...

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • Bridgestone Revo2 285/75R16 - Solid all around tire

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other: Post your opinion

    Votes: 20 30.8%

  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .

JCMatthews

Tour Guide
I have rarely needed a mud tire. I tried two different brands with similar mileage wear time. I was not impressed with how few miles I could get out of a set. I do love my BFG ATs, and am shocked by the quote you were given. Find a Big O, the AT is always less than the MT. I have the 265 75 17 I believe, and only paid around 200.00 for them in June. Best of luck.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
Thanks for the sage advice James. When you say "drifts right" do you mean pulls right? I just had an alignment and now the truck will change lanes to the right on the freeway if I let it... not bad but just enough drift to annoy me. I wonder if new, balanced tires will correct this or does it need to go back to the alignment shop?

Some/much of this is in one of the other tire threads, but so I/you don't have to go digging for it...

Yes, I do mean pulls right, just said 'drift' because people have different opinions about what constitutes a pull vs. a drift. To me it's mostly the same, if I can't release the steering wheel for several seconds on good road then it's pulling/drifting and needs fixing. In the case of of S/T Maxx, depending on the crown of the road, the truck will be leaving my lane in about 4-5 seconds.

Why did you get an alignment?

Routine maintenance or because of drivability? Most people won't pay for an alignment unless the car is pulling badly. But it's a good idea after new tires to make sure settings are correct and the new tires will not wear prematurely and/or to change the settings to meet the needs of the new treads.

I don't think new tires will fix your pull if it started immediately after the alignment. There are a range of settings that are acceptable, something was changed that doesn't agree with your current set-up, most likely caster, but camber can change how it drives too. If the tires were rotated at the same time, you need to eliminate worn tires as the cause of the pull.

You need to know

The before and after settings of the current alignment. Hopefully they gave you a printout, if not, start going somewhere that will. If you are picky about how well your truck drives (as am I) then you may need to find a shop with a good tech that understands the changes you have made, will listen to you, and adjust for your set-up and how you want it to drive. Some places will just tell you it's within spec, won't test drive it, and don't care. If the settings before were within spec and you didn't have alignment induced tire wear, and it drove well, you want to go back to those settings for the same tires.

Caster angle is generally what changes the pull/drift the most, and for the typical crown of the road, up to 1/2-degree of cross-caster is common. For example: 2.0-degrees positive caster on the left with 2.5-degrees on the right. This steers the car to the left, helping counteract road crown and/or tire pulling.

Tires/tread matter

Some will need more cross-caster, some less. Maxxis Bighorn 255/85 worked great with 1/2-degree cross-caster. Then with Cepek FCII 285s on the 4Runner I needed +0.9*, and even a little more was better (spec is for a maximum of +0.75*, your truck is probably similar). I ran it like this for a couple years on FCII, worked great. Recently pulled the FCII and put ******** Cepek Mud Country on. Same car, same wheels, same 285/75R16 size, but with higher-void tires... car drifted left with the +0.9* cross-caster, and needed to go back to only +0.5*, drives straight again.

Even with extreme cross-caster on my 4Runner, I can't get the car not to pull to the right with Toyos, so I can't/won't run them.

The Tundra has 17" 285 FCII, +0.9* wasn't enough, changed it recently to +1.2* cross-caster, drives straight/nice. Though even with this HIGH cross-caster is still goes right with the S/T Maxx.
 

FLYFISHEXPERT

LivingOverland.com
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I too have the Guard Dogs, in 265/75R16. I have put about 8-9K on them and have been happy with how they have done. We recently put ~2500 miles on them during our Four Corners trip and they handled both the highway and dirt travel very well. They are LOUD, but I don't mind. They are also larger than standard, my 265's are about half way between a standard 265 and 285. I must disclose though that Treadwright is a sponsor of our blog.

Prior to the Guard Dogs, I ran a set of Cooper S/T's and they were great until the end. The tire shop just could not get them to balance. They handled the snow and ice well, were great in the rain, and never had an issue with them on dirt roads.
 

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TEJASYOTA

Adventurer
I have heard that the KM2s are not performing well... and the Goodyear MT Kevlars are on a national backorder for at least 6 weeks.
So I opted for the Goodyear DuraTrac (285/75 R16).
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I just mounted them during the Thanksgiving break... so I have zero real experience with them.
But what I have read, they are great tires... same if not better than the AT's from BFG.
 

Tim A

Adventurer
I voted "other" and say give Cooper STs a try. No personal experience but you'll need different wheels in order to run the 285s. If you don't need the KM2s then Coopers are a good option.
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
I had the Revo's on my Armada. No comparison to the rest of the tires discussed. They are a street tire, and did not wear very well at that. Currently running the new BFG mildly lugged "Rugged Terrain" tire: http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/tire-selector/name/rugged-terrain-t-a-tires

They've been decent so far, but only have about 7k miles on them.

I really like the Cooper Zeon LTZ's if you are looking at AT's. I LOVED my KM2's on my Jeep. They were great on the road, and fabulous on the trail, but not too good in the snow. They wore very well, and never chunked out, unlike my old Nittos and ProComp's.
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
I love the Nitto Trail Grappler. It's a great mix of M/T and A/T, with a slant toward more aggressive for sure. They've worn well (so far) and work great in all conditions. A little pricey, but very worth it!
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/d...74&tmn=Trail+Grappler+M%2FT&typ=Truck/SUV

The Cooper Zeon LTZ is a very comparable, and better performing tire than the Nitto. I have a lot of time and experience on both, in a 6,000 lbs vehicle that was frequently off roaded here in Socal, and was my daily driver as well (25,000 miles a year). I do not reccommend the Nitto. There are better tires for your money. Even the Hankooks are better than the Nitto in my experience.
 

dodecagon2000

Adventurer
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Another vote for the Cooper Discoverer S/T. I’ve had a set of 265/75’s on for about 42,000 miles and I’d say they are good for another 35 to 40,000. That is if I don’t get the 255 itch and upgrade before then. If/when I do step up to a 255, it will be another set of Discoverer S/T’s
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I dont know how you get such insane mileage on your discoverer st , but for what ever its worth i have the third set on and i have 81k on the truck, and i am 100% sure im totally done with coopers. Not a good tire imho
 

austintaco

Explorer
Just a general comment about my experience with my Coopers. I bought a set of 255/85/16 on ebay from a respected seller with a high rating. The tires were blemishes, but were guaranteed to be only cosmetic. However, I have had a really hard time getting them to balance. The first issue was not the tires, but a lug nut mismatch, but after that was corrected I always get a vibration at about 60-65. It does smooth out after about 65, but that forces me to go faster than I might like to go at that time.

They do handle well in most conditions, but I have not had them in snow.

I had Nitto Terra Grapples in 265/75/16 prior these, and I loved these tires for price/looks/handling. They were an all around great tire and at 25k, still had plenty of tread left. However, I found the Coopers and went with them b/c I wanted that size. If Nitto made a 255/85/16, I would be all over them.

Finally, I have BFG KM1 in a 35 x 12.5 x 15 on my 4runner, and though they are getting old (almost 10 years), they still ride great with no vibrations! These tires are beat up, with a chunk or two missing, but still ride better than my Coopers.

My next tire, for my 4runner will be 255/85/16 KM2's, and I will probably get the same for my Tacoma.
 

Howski

Well-known member
not on your list but i'd go with the GY duratrac/ kelly safari tsr. i have the kelly's and they're great. flex incredibly well, do not chunk and are no louder than my previous a/t's. the kelly's have more siping than the duratrac but besides that they are essentially the same aside from being about $30 less per tire
 

McFly2003

Adventurer
I am running GY duratracs and I can't think of one negative to give you. They are great on road, and off road...I have tried everything short of deep mud bogs and extreme rock crawling and they just keep going. They bite extremely well in just about everything. Until now, I have never been one for goodyears, but I am officially a believer
 

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