Nissan has put a lot of emphasis on its sedans and crossovers but missed the mark on some opportunities. I am sure there was a financial reason, but it seems like they've really abandoned their base (sporty and cheap) and aren't really distinguishable from other brands. The VC-Turbo is a cool innovation but paired with a CVT? Lame.
Tundra vs F150
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Todd780
OverCamper
Yep, I had a 1st Gen S/C Xterra and liked it. Since they killed Xterra's, the only thing I'd be interested in are Armadas. But, wayyy to much money to me. I'd also want a one without all the bells and whistles...which they don't offer here.
nickw
Adventurer
They have fairly basic models, not true "work truck" model, but you can get them fairly sparten, unlike the Land Cruisers. They sell around here for mid 40's which is the same price as a 4runner. Fairly un-inspiring interior, but I think it would make a great exp platform for a SUV, if not boring.
They actually have a higher GVWR than a Tundra for what it's worth @ 7500 lbs, I think the Tundra is 7100. HD-F150 is 7800 I believe.
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Exactly!!! I bought it during the automotive bail out drama.
Todd780
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I think here even 'basic' ones still have leather etc... Nothing mid 40's either I think they start at 60K plus here...
nickw
Adventurer
Crazy - we can get the "SV" models. Where are you located? Here is one locally, as an example:
Todd780
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North east of you and across the border....
There are always some kind of regional differences. For example, up here Ford does not offer a 2WD Ranger.. Sequoias or Armadas never offered in 2WD. Same with 4Runners, Xterras and Grand Cherokees.. No 2WD's ever offered... Just one example of different markets.
battleaxe
Captain Obvious
The first gen Armadas were pretty cool I thought, even the Titan was a nice break from the styling of the 90's and early 2000's. Between the QuashquiKumkway or whatever the hell it's called, and the Cube... Someone's gotta get fired soon.
In reference to differing markets... Toyota's just have trim levels, no options, and we also can't buy LC200's up here.
In reference to differing markets... Toyota's just have trim levels, no options, and we also can't buy LC200's up here.
Todd780
OverCamper
No Land cruisers since 1996 here. Buncha jerks.
battleaxe
Captain Obvious
We've had the 100 series... But it's a Lexus, isn't it? OR are those all imports?
Todd780
OverCamper
Yep, we've just had the Lexus versions since 96.
OEM's routinely overrate the mpg's assigned to their vehicles....or they produce those mpg results in unrealistic driving scenarios. The EPA sets the testing standards, but it's the OEM's who actually conduct the tests and submit the results. The system is far from perfect.
If this is news to you, then you should do some more reading in your spare time.
Edmunds EPA Testing
I'd love to see a Toyota gasoline twin turbo, but I highly doubt we'll see that anytime soon on their trucks. Toyota has been heavily focused on hybrid, atkinson cycle and hydrogen fuel cell applications...that is the direction I see them going. Toyota North America's head truck engineer, Mike Sweers, has said repeatedly that they have looked at incorporating turbo gasoline engines into their truck applications, but that there wasn't enough pay-off in terms of fuel economy for most driving scenarios. I think he mentioned some other longterm reliability concerns as well. I see the next Tundra having a Port + Direct fuel injected v8, similar to the technology used in the Tacoma, with a possible diesel option.
It just wouldn't make sense that Toyota would put a twin turbo gasser into one of their most reliable and respected platforms (Tundra) when they still haven't done that with any of their other current offerings.
At a certain point in this discussion, the reasons and "why" behind sales #'s and growth don't really matter. What does matter is that market demand for the Tundra hasn't gone away because of its age; the demand has either grown or been maintained over the last several years. Someone argued earlier that Toyota has to revamp the Tundra in order to stay relevant in the 1/2 ton market...the sales #'s would indicate otherwise.
If and when that market demand starts to evaporate, Toyota will have a financial incentive to offer a totally revamped platform (though I suspect said platform will be revealed shortly).
That much I agree with. Ford, GM and Chrysler at one point had a stranglehold on the North American car market; they screwed that pooch a while back. Now their 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton sales are a big, and important, part of their North American sales strategy...we'll see how that strategy fares as fuel prices increase.
Todd780
OverCamper
I'd be interested in seeing a hybrid F-150 or Tundra. I wonder it will be something along the lines of Ram's E-Torque?
Hydrogen, hey? Like something beyond the Mirai?
nickw
Adventurer
Fords already ahead of the curve with their "strategic" investment in Rivian....looks like they are taking it seriously too:
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...04/24/rivian-500-million-investment-ford.html
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