TreeTopFlyer
Adventurer
An old 75 Series Land Cruiser did the DRC. When the H1 does that I will be impressed.
Why not a Hummer?
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bfdiesel
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" u can make u turn "
I know a lot of trails I would like to see you try this on.:jump:
Like bftank said you try this out here in the rockies you die.
Hummers look awesome and are built like tanks, but like tanks they are harder to get parts for.
If I was made of money I would skip the Hummer and go straight for the A1 Abrams.:drool:
I know a lot of trails I would like to see you try this on.:jump:
Like bftank said you try this out here in the rockies you die.
Hummers look awesome and are built like tanks, but like tanks they are harder to get parts for.
If I was made of money I would skip the Hummer and go straight for the A1 Abrams.:drool:
Ron B
Explorer
you will have to be more specific about what the DRC is...I am guessing it is a narrow trail that might require mirror removal and greasing up the sides of the truck. Like I have mentioned before, all trucks have strengths and weaknesses. There exists trails that some vehicles will do well on and others won't. Some trails a hummer might do fairly easily and the 75 series cruiser might have issues.
about the spare -- all hummer rims are able to have ctis hardware on it...you can cap the ctis or just move the hardware from the bad tire to the spare. The real $$ is the bigger tires -- the rims are a dime a dozen unless you want the fancy aluminum 2 piece rims available from 2000 on, yes these can be pricey but who wants to beat up nice chrome rims on a trail? And I thought chrome wasn't allowed on real trails?. Extra ctis hardware is not really needed and isn't really that expensive (unless ordered from the factory, then you deserve to be boned!) and can be made from parts from McMaster-Carr.
It doesn't come with a manual because of military regs...they want all auto so anyone can drive, and since the H1 is a humvee with padded dash, ac and seat belts, it is stuck as an auto (which I actually prefer offroad)
rb
about the spare -- all hummer rims are able to have ctis hardware on it...you can cap the ctis or just move the hardware from the bad tire to the spare. The real $$ is the bigger tires -- the rims are a dime a dozen unless you want the fancy aluminum 2 piece rims available from 2000 on, yes these can be pricey but who wants to beat up nice chrome rims on a trail? And I thought chrome wasn't allowed on real trails?. Extra ctis hardware is not really needed and isn't really that expensive (unless ordered from the factory, then you deserve to be boned!) and can be made from parts from McMaster-Carr.
It doesn't come with a manual because of military regs...they want all auto so anyone can drive, and since the H1 is a humvee with padded dash, ac and seat belts, it is stuck as an auto (which I actually prefer offroad)
rb
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wel.. some parts are easy.... the engine and tranny are parts you can get all day long at Napa.
I wonder how much gas mileage has to do with it too. IIRC, they get between 10-15 mpg, depending on gas vs diesel.
That, and finding replacement tires can be tough.
Steinbruchsoldat
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acasper708
Observer
I was motor transport in the Marines. I drove a H1 on a daily bases. It's just a rough and tough heavy duty work truck. When it comes to a expo rig I think of Somethin that needs to be very comfortable. The H1 is not even close to being some what comfortable and they are just way to wide for some roads. I drove one In Japan and it was pretty stupid. Half the truck was on the shoulder most the time and that's if you were lucky enough to drive through a section that had a shoulder.
maxingout
Adventurer
I have had an H1 Hummer for five years, and I use it for my daily driver. I have owned five Land Rover 110s, one Land Rover 130, an FJ 40, and one full size Arabian Toyota Land Cruiser called a VXR.
All of my trucks have been excellent vehicles, and I have found that they all require about the same amount of maintenance. They are all designed for different things, and when I use them for what they are designed to do, they perform well. I would be happy to do an expedition in any of the vehicles.
Here is my daily driver:
I love to drive my H1, and I have never received a dirty look from anyone because I am driving a Hummer. Many people comment in a positive manner about my H1.
My H1 is the safest vehicle that I have ever driven. It has good storage space, and with my full size roof rack and storage box on top, there is plenty of room to take this vehicle on an expedition anywhere in the world. It is an awesome expeditionary platform. My Hummer is year 2002, and the engine block is from a new casting that does not have a problem with a cracked #8 cyliner found in earlier engines. It runs smooth and clean with a ton of power. Acceleration is good. I would go anywhere in the world with this vehicle if it was not a bright yellow color. It also has a military swing away tire carrier.
I purchased this H1 as my daily driver, and I get 15 to 16 miles per gallon in city driving. Phoenix is the red light running capital of America, and if anyone ever runs a red light and hits my H1, I will walk away without a scratch. I consider the lower mileage as the price I pay to have protection against red light runners and people who crash into you under the influence of drugs and alcohol ( and people texting on their cell phones).
Like most H1 owners, I do my own maintenance. Maintenance is not that difficult. After all, the military takes guys out of high school and trains them to fix hummers in just a few months. Things are accessible and fairly easy to fix, because this vehicle is designed to be fixed in the field under adverse conditions.
I have my Land Rover 110 parked next to my Hummer.
It's nice to have one expeditionary vehicle that has an engine computer, and one that does not. If that horrible day ever comes when a terrorist detonates an EMP weapon that wipes out computers in our trucks, it will be time to push the H1 out in the street and continue to roll in my Land Rover 110. Life is sometimes better if your engine lacks a computer.
I love my Hummer. I would not trade it for any other vehicle.
Life is good.
All of my trucks have been excellent vehicles, and I have found that they all require about the same amount of maintenance. They are all designed for different things, and when I use them for what they are designed to do, they perform well. I would be happy to do an expedition in any of the vehicles.
Here is my daily driver:
I love to drive my H1, and I have never received a dirty look from anyone because I am driving a Hummer. Many people comment in a positive manner about my H1.
My H1 is the safest vehicle that I have ever driven. It has good storage space, and with my full size roof rack and storage box on top, there is plenty of room to take this vehicle on an expedition anywhere in the world. It is an awesome expeditionary platform. My Hummer is year 2002, and the engine block is from a new casting that does not have a problem with a cracked #8 cyliner found in earlier engines. It runs smooth and clean with a ton of power. Acceleration is good. I would go anywhere in the world with this vehicle if it was not a bright yellow color. It also has a military swing away tire carrier.
I purchased this H1 as my daily driver, and I get 15 to 16 miles per gallon in city driving. Phoenix is the red light running capital of America, and if anyone ever runs a red light and hits my H1, I will walk away without a scratch. I consider the lower mileage as the price I pay to have protection against red light runners and people who crash into you under the influence of drugs and alcohol ( and people texting on their cell phones).
Like most H1 owners, I do my own maintenance. Maintenance is not that difficult. After all, the military takes guys out of high school and trains them to fix hummers in just a few months. Things are accessible and fairly easy to fix, because this vehicle is designed to be fixed in the field under adverse conditions.
I have my Land Rover 110 parked next to my Hummer.
It's nice to have one expeditionary vehicle that has an engine computer, and one that does not. If that horrible day ever comes when a terrorist detonates an EMP weapon that wipes out computers in our trucks, it will be time to push the H1 out in the street and continue to roll in my Land Rover 110. Life is sometimes better if your engine lacks a computer.
I love my Hummer. I would not trade it for any other vehicle.
Life is good.
Ron B
Explorer
Dave/Maxingout explained it perfectly -- every vehicle is designed for different purposes and excel in different ways. It is also true about the maintenance being fairly easy as most everything is accessible with all the ground clearance as well as pretty much everything is bolted so any part can be replaced in the field (even the frame rails...though I wouldn't want to be replacing that!).
The #8 cylinder issue he and others have touched on can affect td engines from '96 to 2000.
Dave also mentioned the computer issue with the hummer...that is one thing I would like to modify in mine. I have wanted to make it like a humvee and totally mechanical (well..as much as possible) for a while but been busy with other mods, projects and work (boo!). My mechanic happens to be one of the most sought after hummer mechanics in the world (I am lucky he is near me in So Cal) and he says that of the hummers that are towed/flat-bedded to his shop about 80 to 90% are computer-related.
I snapped a picture last night of my truck between a Civic and an Accord. Almost fills the spot...still about an inch to spare. Funny to see my 86" wide truck in comparison.
Here's an interesting note, the hummer is actually 1 inch shorter than the Accord (with a 24" inch longer wheelbase).
The #8 cylinder issue he and others have touched on can affect td engines from '96 to 2000.
Dave also mentioned the computer issue with the hummer...that is one thing I would like to modify in mine. I have wanted to make it like a humvee and totally mechanical (well..as much as possible) for a while but been busy with other mods, projects and work (boo!). My mechanic happens to be one of the most sought after hummer mechanics in the world (I am lucky he is near me in So Cal) and he says that of the hummers that are towed/flat-bedded to his shop about 80 to 90% are computer-related.
I snapped a picture last night of my truck between a Civic and an Accord. Almost fills the spot...still about an inch to spare. Funny to see my 86" wide truck in comparison.
Here's an interesting note, the hummer is actually 1 inch shorter than the Accord (with a 24" inch longer wheelbase).
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bldeagle10
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@maxingout, im surprise i have never seen your H1 especially if you daily drive it. i daily drive my 99 xj pretty much EVERYWHERE in the valley (partially why my 99 has 322,760 miles to date) nice rig though
FWIW here is my opinion on the hummer and how i would approach building one for expo if i was so fortunate enough to win the lotto
The H1 in my mind really is the "Second Cool" factor, this is a term i've kind of borrowed from a youtuber (nutnfancy) there are two kinds of cool, the first cool is the POU or "Philosophy Of Use" these are the advantages the item, in this case a vehicle, gives you towards your end goal in what you are using it for. the second kind of cool is basically just that cool factor. something you really think is just plain bad ***. that all boils down to personal aesthetics as before mentioned on here, its a passion for some people. just like the XJ i own, it is a passion. it is not the best at what it does, but for me it works, i can build it to do almost anything short of withstanding a bomb (where the hmmwv will shine)
the hummer has its flaws like any vehicle, and it has its pros, personally i cannot attest to any flaws or cons other than maybe the track width and wheel base numbers because that is just common knowledge, i have never owned one and unfortunately, unless i win the lotto, i never will.
its kind of a shame that no company out there produces a basic replica of the h1 or hmmwv so enthusiasts can easily obtain one in various levels of build completion. everything from shell to turn key package. hell maybe if i win the lotto i could do that
if i were to own one though, i would pretty much go about it the way i feel necessary with almost every vehicle i want to own, strip it to a shell and build it as my own. that is MY personal opinion on how something should be built. i hate the idea of bought over built. i would take an hmmwv any day and build it how i feel it should be built and who knows, it may even end up better than it was when it landed in my possession.
i mostly think we dont see many out there because of cost and size. as far as size goes though. it all goes back to its POU. what you intend to use it for.
FWIW here is my opinion on the hummer and how i would approach building one for expo if i was so fortunate enough to win the lotto
The H1 in my mind really is the "Second Cool" factor, this is a term i've kind of borrowed from a youtuber (nutnfancy) there are two kinds of cool, the first cool is the POU or "Philosophy Of Use" these are the advantages the item, in this case a vehicle, gives you towards your end goal in what you are using it for. the second kind of cool is basically just that cool factor. something you really think is just plain bad ***. that all boils down to personal aesthetics as before mentioned on here, its a passion for some people. just like the XJ i own, it is a passion. it is not the best at what it does, but for me it works, i can build it to do almost anything short of withstanding a bomb (where the hmmwv will shine
)the hummer has its flaws like any vehicle, and it has its pros, personally i cannot attest to any flaws or cons other than maybe the track width and wheel base numbers because that is just common knowledge, i have never owned one and unfortunately, unless i win the lotto, i never will.
its kind of a shame that no company out there produces a basic replica of the h1 or hmmwv so enthusiasts can easily obtain one in various levels of build completion. everything from shell to turn key package. hell maybe if i win the lotto i could do that
if i were to own one though, i would pretty much go about it the way i feel necessary with almost every vehicle i want to own, strip it to a shell and build it as my own. that is MY personal opinion on how something should be built. i hate the idea of bought over built. i would take an hmmwv any day and build it how i feel it should be built and who knows, it may even end up better than it was when it landed in my possession.
i mostly think we dont see many out there because of cost and size. as far as size goes though. it all goes back to its POU. what you intend to use it for.
maxingout
Adventurer
Yellow Hummer has been my daily driver the past 4 years here in Phoenix. You will find it parked at Phoenix Indian Medical Center on the days that I am working in town. It will be parked at Landmark Aviation at Scottsdale Airport on the days that I am flying out to the Indian Reservations. I mainly drive on Greenway or 16 th street going to and from work. If you are in those areas in the morning or afternoon, you will see yellow hummer rolling along, and I will have a smile on my face.
I have only worked back in the USA for 4 years, and my Hummer is my survival vehicle. It keeps my brain from being fried by the reality of not sailing on my catamaran or driving somewhere other than here. When I climb on board my Hummer, I am no longer in Phoenix. In my mind, I am on the plains of the Serengetti or cruising over the dunes of the Empty Quarter.
I regard my time is Phoenix as just another cruising/sailing destination. When I was sailing around the world on my catamaran, Exit Only, I spent a couple of years driving in Australia and New Zealand - two cruising desinations. Now I am exploring the American southwest while I am at this destination. I don't regard this as my home. It's merely a stop on a never ending trip.
Home is where you heart is, and my heart is far from here. Check this out and it will make some sense: http://www.positivegraphics.com/Positivegraphic19.htm
HOME IS WHERE THE HEART IS
The first home I ever owned was sailing vessel Exit Only. The dream of house ownership never appealed to me, and I have steadfastly resisted any passing and weak urges to buy a house. On the other hand, all of my adult life I have had an overwhelming desire to own and cruise on a small yacht.
When we lived in Saudi Arabia, we camped more than sixty nights per year in the desert. For those sixty plus days and nights, our Land Rover Defender was our home. I know that the Defender was our home, because when we were out in the desert, that was where our heart was.
Now that I am working in Phoenix earning Freedom Chips, I have a terrible confession to make. I purchased a house, but it wasn't because I wanted to. It was out of self-defense. While we were living in Fort Lauderdale, robbers were holding up banks with AK-47s, and we lived in a gated and guarded marina. Things are similar, but different in Phoenix. When I arrived in Phoenix, I couldn't tell whether I was in a 45 caliber zone or a 38 caliber zone. That made finding a place to live somewhat difficult.
I finally figured out that I had to make a choice. If I wanted to be safe working in this section of the world, I would have to buy a tent and live in the desert with the rattlesnakes and coyotes with an hour long commute, or I could buy an over-priced house in a seemingly safe area.
The over-priced safe house seems to be working fine. This must be what it feels like to be living in a witness protection program. You find a safe house and live an anonymous low profile lifestyle.
House ownership has turned out to be as painful and expensive as anticipated, and I miss my catamaran, Exit Only. Thank God I didn't sell my boat. If I had done that, I would have sold my home.
Home is where my heart is, and Exit Only is my home.
Here is the other side of my coin:
FREEDOM
When I sit behind the wheel of my Land Rover Defender/Hummer, I can feel the freedom start to bubble up in my mind.
The instant I climb into my Defender/Hummer, I'm no longer in New York, Paris, London or Phoenix. I'm suddenly transported to another place and time. It's as if Scotty beams me to the plains of the Serengeti or to the endless sandy vistas of the Arabian Empty Quarter.
Every time I return to work, I negotiate an emergency agreement with life. This agreement allows me to buy an off-road 4x4 vehicle, and that vehicle becomes my survival capsule. It's my way of keeping in touch with the freedom that I miss while working in metropolis. It's not that I don't like my profession. Rather, it's that I love my freedom more. I'm hooked on freedom, and I'm ready for another tidal wave of freedom to sweep through my life.
When I drive my Defender/Hummer down a city street, I have a "Near Freedom Experience." Although I'm not land cruising in the Arabian sands, I get a flash back to those adventures of yesteryear, and I can see that there's hope for more adventures in the future.
Once you have a taste for freedom, you are hooked for life, and nothing else will do.
http://www.positivegraphics.com/Positivegraphic57.htm
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Maybe one of these morning or afternoons you will spot me just trying to survive as I drive in my Hummer.
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bldeagle10
Explorer
i feel like i may have seen your rig at the scottsdale airport now that i think back on it. inspirational words, when i'm driving or working on my Jeep i to get that sense of freedom. i don't feel i have lived the most favorable life to date, i've been through a lot and when i'm driving or tinkering with it, my soul is set free and i can truly be happy.
maxingout
Adventurer
Off-road vehicles are better than a free life time supply of anti-depressants. The positive effect of working on and driving an off-road vehicle is just short of miraculous. I have no medical explanation of why Defenders, Hummers, and Land Cruisers make me feel so good. It has a lot to do with a feeling of freedom in regimented society, but it's more than that. I feel happy in a contented way. It is not about an adrenalin rush. It just feels right. I am sorry to say that living in metropolis doesn't feel right.
My Defender and Hummer are my survival capsules, and I can't put a price on how good I feel when I am driving and tinkering with them. It doesn't surprise me that they set your soul free and make you feel happy. They do the same thing for me.
Maybe we should visit a psychiatrist and see what is happening. But if we did that, I suspect the psychiatrist would purchase an off-road vehicle for himself and prescribe one for each of his patients.
Patman
Explorer
This may be the wisest statement I've ever read......anywhere!!