*yawn*

[plainjaneFJC]

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I would say that there are two types of $100,000 vehicle buyer. The largest % of those buyers aren’t buyers. They are renters especially today with the selfie / youtuber life.

A very small % of 250+k income type’s sitting on 2-5million in assets “buy” vehicles over $60,000. The only ones that lease / rent are business owners who lease through their company- very few lease high end cars in that manner (looks very bad to employees and the finance manager)

My entire housing development is the 250-600k yr bracket with homes worth 2-3million. The most expensive vehicles you see are top trim full sized SUVs. We have a couple like 3 high end EV trucks and one new retired toy Lambo something. No Gwagons, no new Porsches etc. If you go from the 1400 homes in our group across to the gated houses the income is in the 500-1mill zone and you see a few more Porsches and occasional 100+k cars but they are still rare and not typical. Thanks to kids sports and active parenting I know many of these folks. They buy their cars run them a long time. Or lease through their company they own etc. A very high number of them own multiple properties and are definitely worth over 5mill in real asset value.

Now!!! If we go to say Florida. It’s all about the poser factor!! You might live in a $150,000 cinder block house but your leasing a $150,000 car and running a $250,000 boat every weekend on a $80,000 income sourced from three different jobs till the repo man finds your hidden toys and takes em😆😆

A lot of truth in this- you can’t judge someone’s worth by what they drive.

 

[luckyjoe]

This rig is very different than a 30 year old Discovery unless you are really mechanically inclined. We own a reasonable current BMW with this engine, I wouldn't even know where to start...I'm sure I could learn but just don't have the time.

Agreed, I can handle the mechanical portion, plus the 5yr/60k warranty and current B58 knowledge/aftermarket should get me to a point I'm comfortable with non-dealer solutions. I'm going all in on this one.

 

[zimm]

Have the sprinters been good to you compared to transit vans?

I don't have any transits. Old econolines and sprinters. I've always been lucky enough to get new vans when there was an economic downturn and get the 0% financing... you know... "How much do you want to put down on the vans?" --- What? why would I put anything down at 0%? ... "Ok, well, how many months?"--- What? Well, at 0% whats your limit? I'll take that.

I need new vans. I need to face it, I'm addicted to free money, but I don't think I'll see 0% again before I die. I will say, the DEF tank replacement on the 2012 Sprinter was covered under warranty at freight-liner 6 months ago. I thought that was impressive. The Merc dealer apparenty ran with it and charged me, seeing I assumed it was my cost on the other one a few years ago. hence my assumption of "consumer" vs " commercial" dealer ethics.

 

[Ozarker]

A lot of truth in this- you can’t judge someone’s worth by what they drive.

Not always, but

It can be a reallly good clue.

 

[nickw]

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Not always, but

It can be a reallly good clue.

 

[Ozarker]

I've always been lucky enough to get new vans when there was an economic downturn

You mean about every 12 years?

 

[Scott Brady]

Sad to see such a decline in diesel

 

[plh]

Tend to agree, tho maybe for different reasons.

This for the UK:

Tho rumour has it UK will delay new petrol & diesel car sales ban from 2030 to 2035, aligning with other Euros.

Still, contrast the yet to be delivered NA Gren to the coming new (hybrid) LC.

That is an odd graph - Percentage change in registrations, so they went from 60 EVs registered to 84? I mean really... The diesel part is depressing but understandable.