2008 Tacoma D-4D swap *pics*

[Scott Brady]

Whats the return on investment??? Seems like the truck would fall apart before you recouped your money at 22k. For that price you could have a brand new tacoma on blocks in your garage as a spare. I'm all for cool stuff and this is cool but I don't see the advantages coming even remotely close to the cost to gain those advantages.

Now if it was 22k for a whole truck complete, well now your talking.

You don't do the swap for economic reasons. You do it for performance or novelty reasons. I doubt Diesel Toys would ever market their swaps for economic reasons.

It is just like a HEMI conversion in the JK. Impossible to justify financially. It is just an awesome toy that does everything (including better mpg) than a V6 Jeep. You just need the scratch.

Personally, I enjoy the funk factor of driving old 110s and 70 series trucks. Incidentally, I have one of each going into a container from France. No logic other than I just like driving old tanks.

 

[dieseltoyz]

What he said...You can also run them on biodiesel, veg oil, jet fuel, kerosene, etc.etc. I had a friend evacuating Katrina and he said you simply could not find gasoline anywhere. Cars were lined up alongside IH10 for miles. But, he said every station had diesel Makes that Hemi swap worthless if you cant get fuel to fill it.

You don't do the swap for economic reasons. You do it for performance or novelty reasons. I doubt Diesel Toys would ever market their swaps for economic reasons.

It is just like a HEMI conversion in the JK. Impossible to justify financially. It is just an awesome toy that does everything (including better mpg) than a V6 Jeep. You just need the scratch.

Personally, I enjoy the funk factor of driving old 110s and 70 series trucks. Incidentally, I have one of each going into a container from France. No logic other than I just like driving old tanks.

 

[rsbmg]

Novelty.

 

[RR1]

Novelty.

It still is really really really cool though.

It might take some time. If you could find a Tacoma at auction for around $10K, then the swap...I think it would be totally worth it. Can always sell the gasser and tranny to offset some of the cost.

Everything said and done, it is plausible to have only $30-32K into the truck.

Sorry if I am repeating myself, a 1st gen Tundra would be a perfect candidate as well.

 

[rsbmg]

It is cool, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying to pay another 70-100% of the cost of the vehicle to get a mild improvement in mileage or performance is just a little silly unless you just have so much money you can't spend it fast enough and if that was the case why would you be driving a tacoma in the first place? Not sure what the market is here. Cut the price in half and then the product becomes at least something worth looking at.

Take the supercharger for instance. If it cost 10k it now does not make as much since as it does at 4k, Or if an ARB locker was 5k how many people would have them? At some point it just doesnt make since, that doesnt mean the technology is bad or that its not well designed its just not worth it thats all.

 

[RR1]

It is cool, I'm not debating that. I'm just saying to pay another 70-100% of the cost of the vehicle to get a mild improvement in mileage or performance is just a little silly unless you just have so much money you can't spend it fast enough and if that was the case why would you be driving a tacoma in the first place? Not sure what the market is here. Cut the price in half and then the product becomes at least something worth looking at.

Take the supercharger for instance. If it cost 10k it now does not make as much since as it does at 4k, Or if an ARB locker was 5k how many people would have them? At some point it just doesnt make since, that doesnt mean the technology is bad or that its not well designed its just not worth it thats all.

Oh probably the same market as people that buy Icons.

I see what you're saying why not buy a new Dodge Ram with a Cummins. Roughly the same price with way more capacity and performance. Those new oil burners are putting out 800 ft lbs of torque!!!

 

[rsbmg]

Hey I'm buying ICON's! haha

 

[Hilux_Max]

Oh probably the same market as people that buy Icons.

I see what you're saying why not buy a new Dodge Ram with a Cummins. Roughly the same price with way more capacity and performance. Those new oil burners are putting out 800 ft lbs of torque!!!

These 3 litre D4D's can be modded to put out almost the same amount of torque reliably as well....I know of a couple Thailand outfits that are pulling 700nM of torque in their hilux's.....low revving...massive torque and heaps of performance. (thats over 500ft/lbs of torque in your measurement)

 

[J-man]

Turbo-Power improvements?

I love the work you guyes do at dieseltoyz. I currently have a 2000 4runner that i turbo'd and love it. What changes would you guyes do to hop that diesel to 300hp level, or would you guyes not even think about it? Right now my 4runner (3.4) on 10lbs of boost sees 320 hp (dyno'd) - and i dont think i could ever go back.

 

[RR1]

Hey I'm buying ICON's! haha

Ha ha, I mean these Icons. Which is still $50K+ more...buy 3 Tacomas for one of those.

http://www.icon4x4.com/

 

[RR1]

These 3 litre D4D's can be modded to put out almost the same amount of torque reliably as well....I know of a couple Thailand outfits that are pulling 700nM of torque in their hilux's.....low revving...massive torque and heaps of performance. (thats over 500ft/lbs of torque in your measurement)

That is impressive.

Of course to do that here, you're looking at a $50-60K USD Tacoma, that is if you start with a brand new Tacoma, and do a D-4D swap. In many people's eyes it isn't worth it.

Be cheaper to get a brand new Dodge, that has better capacities. Can get a 3/4 ton crew cab with a diesel for $45K USD.

 

[Hilux_Max]

I love the work you guyes do at dieseltoyz. I currently have a 2000 4runner that i turbo'd and love it. What changes would you guyes do to hop that diesel to 300hp level, or would you guyes not even think about it? Right now my 4runner (3.4) on 10lbs of boost sees 320 hp (dyno'd) - and i dont think i could ever go back.

With the diesels power isnt important...torque is as you would know.

A Chipit power chip has a boost controller built in so you can dioal in another 3 to 4 pounds of boost safely. 3" dump pipe from the back of the turbo and 3"free flowing exhaust works well on the D4D.

These will give you from the factory 343nM to around 450nM of torque which you can feel when driving.

Then you can block the EGR pipes and get a few more pounds out of the diesel thou you need to run an exhaust temp gauge aswell. The chipit module runs the higher boost but as soon as the EGT's get too high it automatically winds back boost until its in safe levels then readjusts.

you can fit water to air intercoolers aswell to help cooler intake temps.

wanna go harder, injectors, remove the variable vane turbo and fit a larger garret turbo charger or even go twin. Internals do not have to be modified to get these sorts of torque figures...everything is bolt on.

Heres a site from thailand that works common rail diesels to massive power/torque figures....the owner claims to have the worlds most powerful and fastest Mitsubishi triton and Hilux......

http://www.monster-p-industries.com/product.html

theres some good reading on his site.

 

[Viggen]

You dont do a diesel swap for financial issues. You do it for range advantages and you do it because you like the power delivery. It will eventually pay for itself, especially as gas prices rise in comparison to diesel but it will not immediately do it, especially at $20k for the job.

I have to say that the solution of buying a truck and not registering it in the country defeats the point of owning a vehicle. I buy a vehicle to use it, not to store it, as much as possible. Also, the solution of having people buy and then store a vehicle in a country is also one that makes no sense for a vast, vast , vast majority of the population. One, thats not a cheap proposition as you have a vehicle that you have spent money on and its just sitting there. If you are going to be going to Guatemala, or whatever, often, sure leave one there but for most of the people on this board, a trip to South America is a once in a lifetime trip. I, for one, would love to take a trip out there but it would be a once in a lifetime type of trip. I have a friend who goes to Costa Rica every single summer. He has a cheapo vehicle there because he is always there. Costa Rica is a one time trip for me so storing, and/ or shipping a vehicle from place to place doesnt make any sense for me. Another thing for me is that I would like to personally KNOW the vehicle I am driving. A 60 series is not universally the same. Each one has its own personality and the modifications that have been done to it. Novelty aside, I love driving my built rig. I know it inside and out and am completely familiar with it. I would not feel the same with one I bought at my destination and then sold before I left.

As for EPA swap eligibility, all you need to do is run the VIN and when it comes back as a gas vehicle, thats when the questions begin about the motor itself and its EPA approval...

 

[tacollie]

Price seems fair for diesel and tranny swap. It is gonna be roughly 20k to put a diesel and tranny in about anything unless you do the work yourself. My 05 Tacoma averaged 14mpg and never better than 16mpg which means I had to fill up every 240 miles. This is a sweet swap and could give a Tacome a 450+ mile range with a stock tank. A new 4.0 from Toyota is rediculously expensive. This swap makes a lot of sense on a well cared for truck with high miles.

 

[Flagster]

A new 4.0 from Toyota is rediculously expensive.

Yeah no kidding...I didn't realize...14,000...:Wow1: