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One more bit of fun math based on those previously quoted F-150 numbers: In the USA, the F-150 would be 9,861 Big Macs. If it was on a straight currency conversion, in Canada that would mean $77k, or about 11,492 Big Macs — that’s 2500 Big Macs more “opportunity cost” that our American...

Thanks @GetOutThere, I didn’t realize how big the gap was. That’s what makes it hard to do a simple conversion on US to CAD, as Ineos appears to have done. I think about it from “how many hours do I need to work to afford it?” - we all have the same hours in the day to earn cash, no matter...

My sincere hope is that when the next trendy thing comes along and those people get bored with their Gren’s, there will be a few Trialmasters sitting around used. And if I’m really optimistic, because of the niche nature of the vehicle, they will be cheap. I have more thoughts, but I have to...

Yes, that is a much cheaper option by a few grand. In my experiment, I did have air suspension spec'd because its' part of the advanced off road pack. If I were personally buying one, I'd have to have a long think about whether I wanted that or not. But, the air suspension is actually pretty...

It does feel like they didn't do a very good job managing expectations on price, @klahanie. Not just on the "hard pressed" comment, but going back to the beginning of it and claiming they were aiming for a rig in between the Toyota offerings and the Land Rover offerings -- to be so much more...

I hear you -- for my goals, the Grenadier is the perfect tool for the job. But, I am OK using imperfect tools if the value isn't there; everything is a compromise and I'm willing to settle for a 'lesser' but adequate tool to save the kind of money we're talking about here. And I know I could run...

Here's what I put up on the other forum; a best "dead reckoning" price comparison. Here's the assumptions on my analysis: 1) I built the cars from regional websites by "pretending" I was a customer in the United States, Canada, the U.K., Australia, and South Africa. My build was based on the...

Oh I'm quite happy to pay the higher taxes for the most part -- like Grassland said, our healthcare does leave something to be desired in terms of service, but on the other hand I sleep well knowing that even my most vulnerable neighbours don't need to skip on seeing a doctor when they need to...

That makes sense to me, @Grassland. Vehicles in general cost a lot more and folks have “expectations” of new cars more often it seems, so the longer term financing makes sense. That would change the math a bit on my analysis for sure. I should do the same math - with the same “variable costs” of...

Totally agree, and I think that's why there's so much sticker shock for us Canadians. It looks like Ineos priced based on exchange rates, but in my lifetime I've seen our Loony go from being worth about $0.63 cents USD to being worth $1.01 USD, in about 10 years which is likely why car companies...

This is as cheap as the Grenadier will ever be, that's for sure. I don't think they will lose money, and honestly for the technical capability I agree with Scott in the US market -- it's not bad value. Not cheap, but it was never meant to be. In Canada, it's not good value, but it's still as...

I totally get where you are coming from -- I think there's also an element of "the Goldfish grows to the size of the bowl" when it comes to some features in cars. Heated seats, for instance, used to be the realm of only luxury vehicles. But, that is a feature that I have in my $36,000 CDN...

That's what I'm trying to figure out, Ruff. I find myself wondering if we're getting crazy good deals on Jeeps and Land Rovers up here, relative to the rest of the world! I used a torque wrench analogy on another forum that I think captures it well. I have a specific job I want to do, and...

I've seen that "L" word thrown around. It's definitely got luxury pricing, but this is absolutely not a luxury vehicle nor is it intended to be. If you compare it to actual luxury vehicles -- Range Rover, Cadillac, Lexus -- you'll see an entirely different spec sheet. The Grenadier spec sheet is...

Correct - they took over a Mercedes factory in Hambach that was used to build the Smart Car. So, they had a pretty experienced workforce and a nearly state-of-the-art facility ready to go. The partnership with Magna on the design and construction side aligns as Magna and Mercedes do the G-Wagen...

Thanks Todd - honestly it's the best kind of bad luck to have. My family is happy and healthy, and the rest is just "stuff" and thankfully we didn't lose any of our important items - photos, keepsakes, and things of emotional value were all boxed up and in storage before it happened, so our loss...

I think they'll have no trouble hitting their targets - there's a couple billion more people in the world since 1997, and a lot of 'em are rich. And they are right - there is a need for a robust 4x4; the Ineos is really the only "commercial grade" (according to the conversations about design -...

Agreed, @GetOutThere. But I’d argue that the Gren doesn’t necessarily represent more off road capability than the Jeep or Defender - I’d put them on equal footing from the perspective of “I’m at the bottom of the mountain and I wish to be at the top” — all three will get that job done within...

That’s the main compromise with the Gren - it checks all my boxes, but as a new model AND manufacturer, it doesn’t have the infrastructure to support it nor does it have the history where the issues will be known and strategies to manage those issues will be freely available in communities like...

Configuration is live now, and I see there’s an article on the home page of Expo about it already. However I have to say not withstanding Scott’s comparisons on US pricing in his article, my perspective is very different as a Canadian. I built out two Grenadiers on the configuration tool. The...