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But then why not get the Land Cruiser 200? ...that's where I think the Defender misses the mark. It's not better at really anything. It's not as "fun" as a Jeep or Bronco...the design is a little boring. If rock-solid utility is more your thing- it looses out to the LC 200. Much more reliable...

I agree--- I'd rather avoid the dust and the heat- occasionally, I've driven across a few fields with the top and doors off where it's dry and not dusty and that can be a lot of fun, but generally, I'd be fine to see the removable top and doors go.

I've really only seen a few people get "worked up" on here- at least so far as I'd use that term. @Victory_Overland challenging anyone who didn't agree that the Defender is amazing to a battle in the woods and @Corgi_express inability to write a single post without the word "troll" in...

The irony of you continuing to call people names such as "petty children" and "trolls" while at the same time complaining about the nature of the conversation is pretty comical.

It's interesting that LR doesn't advertise or even publish these numbers above the 11.5" ground clearance. The Defender brochure says 11.5" Maximum ground clearance and when you read about the electronic suspension it mentions that the extended mode is automatic if the vehicle is grounded then...

Standard Engines Ford Bronco 2.3-liter I-4 Jeep Wrangler 3.6-liter V6 Land Rover Defender 2.0-liter I-4 Engine Turbocharged DOHC 2.3-liter direct-injected inline-four DOHC 3.6-liter direct-injected V6 Turbocharged DOHC 2.0-liter direct-injected inline-four Power, horsepower (kilowatts)...

Exterior Dimensions And Off-Road Capability Ford Bronco Two-Door Jeep Wrangler Land Rover Defender 90 Length, inches (millimeters) 173.7 (4,412) 166.8 (4,237) 180.4 (4,582) Width, in (mm) 75.9–79.3 (1,928–2,014) 73.8 (1,875) 78.6 (1,996) Height, in (mm) 71.9–75.2 (1,826–1,910) 73.6...

Bronco vs Wrangler vs Defender Numbers https://www.motor1.com/features/434133/ford-bronco-jeep-wrangler-defender/

Lucky 8 has the best looking Defender on the Internet in my opinion- I definitely like what he's doing.

Speaking purely about the transfer case, rear locker and configurable off-road settings I'd tend to agree with you. It has 2 strikes against it that to me push it back into that soft-roader category. 1) it's resistance to aftermarket support which is absolutely integral to me as part of the...

You don't see Ford saying "Wow, we had no idea that putting 35s on a Bronco would give it more ground clearance" I think the quote shows how out of touch they are with what they want you to believe they are about. I think the Defender also shows just how corporate they are- unwilling to be bold...

It is really hard to understand why enthusiast on an enthusiast forum have strong opinions about the very aspect of life they've poured thousands of dollars and years of time into. I don't get it either. :) Personalization is one of the key attributes of the 4x4 community- to ignore that is...

But there are in fact plenty of engineers who have chimed in- ..the ones at Ford and Jeep and Toyota and Mercedes who have shown the better way of how to modernize an Icon or keep the same design and engineering priorities over time. We know what happens when those things are foresaked for...

My wife is the same- she loved the LR3 and LR4....can't stand the new stuff. We saw a Defender on I-70 outside of Denver the other day and she said it looks worse in person. That front end is just hideous. Honestly, they could have kept everything else the same, all the tech etc... and just a...

Isn't that the band that played the Instagram Festival LR had in Los Angeles with the concrete obstacle course? :)

Those are great photos!

Man, you put a lot of faith in corporations. I disagree with you about Design- designers at LR are bound....and there's good evidence in this case with all of the info about McGovern, that they were particularly bound to his particular vision. Myself and many others however are not. If the...

The thread is for intelligently and occasionally mindlessly trashing the Defender .... although there ended up being a lot on here who seem to think it's for displaying blind loyalty to LR and calling anyone who ever has anything negative to say about the Defender a troll. There are a lot of...

I've always found it interesting that so many LR loyalist on here make such a big deal about payload when many adventure experts talk about how you should be minimalists. Scott Brady routinely talks about not even liking to have a roof load at all and how motorcycle adventurers carry less gear...