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Yes, perhaps it was stateside for armoring or upfitting that was cancelled. I do not know how one would avoid the 25 year import rule. The website markets the vehicles internationally, and it states, "You need to look up the Import Regulation of your country for this vehicle."

Yes, at least Land Rover did not deliver a new Blazer. The new Blazer may be the most boring vehicle in the history of the auto industry. It is the stylistic mean of a crossover segment that is already an echo chamber of self imitation. It is severely uninteresting. It's so boring that I...

Fixed that.

I agree. There's vigorous debate about that in LC circles. Toyota, as we all know, is very conservative, and their global reach renders U.S. Land Cruiser sales not that important.

Our 80 Series, when our family got it new in 1992, was about $48,000 in 2020 dollars. The gentrification of Land Cruiser in the past two decades, where its reliability and capability can only be had draped in expensive and needless luxury, is in my opinion a great tragedy. Luckily, or...

I'm with you. I hate dust. I love doors--solid doors. I like solid roofs without seams, removable panels or sunroofs. Holes in roofs, sunroofs, will ultimately someday leak, thereby defeating the purpose of having a roof in the first place. Why bother? I want a tight, solid cabin that separates...

Good comparative info above. And: Cargo Volume Bronco 4 door: 77.6 sq ft JLUR: 72.4 sq ft Defender 110: 78.8 sq ft Payload Bronco 4 door: 1370 lbs. JLUR: 892 Lbs. Defender 110: 1980 lbs. I was surprised--no, I wasn't...

The one-week Baja beach scenario--I do it just about every year. Chainsaw--yes. But, ice--and other beverages.

Sure. Then add one person and a week's worth of water (welcome to remote desert camping) and your $45,000 brand-new Bronco's running rough roads at or over capacity. No thanks. Better to stay well below payload.

In most cases I'd agree with this. But in this case, I think that (1) the dearth of off-road and payload-capable touring wagons available in the U.S. market, and (2) Defender's design heritage placed a lot of hope and expectation on new Defender. Of course, hope and expectation is always...

Well, in case it's not obvious, this forum is about Defender, and Defender has a one-ton payload. One ton touring wagons aren't novel--Land Cruiser 70s, D110s, new Defender, and early 80 series all come in just above or below the one ton mark. Grenadier is aiming north of a ton. This is not...

How high?

This depends on where you go, with how many people, and for how long. What you mean to say is that, given the places and ways that you travel, that you have no need to large payloads.

Do I foresee a Defender Sprockets Special Edition?

And perhaps Sprockets. This is very funny.

I have to say that in the world of new wagons, with Defender and now Bronco revealed, the Grenadier concept is more attractive than ever. Important questions remain about the motor's longevity and dealer service, but the overall vehicle concept is, for me, tops.

Arizona. Water filters require... Water.

Yes, let's talk payload. Let's ballpark (from my set-up) the math for ten days of self-supported remote camps in the border country, or the Pinacate, in winter. Three or four people: 600 lbs Water: One gallon plus ten percent per-person per-day for three people -- and five emergency gallons...

Agree. Bronco, while not a touring truck, will surely outsel Defender in the U.S.

Same. Bronco’s fantastic for what it is but its payload is disqualifying for me. No ten day self supported trips in trips that truck.