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^ I'm right there with ya James. I drove a D5 recently and it was too small. The Defender is similar in size to the LR3: Vehicle LR3 - "Fake Defender" Length 195 - 187 (197 with spare tire) Width 79 - 79 Height 73 - 77.5 So you lose half a foot in length. But it stays square, unlike the D5...

EricTyrrell: My 'comfy little' modern rover can go anywhere in North America that I can find. Like I said, I'm still looking for these place which require 37"s and solid axles. Short of going to a dedicated off road park and trying obstacles, I can't find them. And I've been looking (pic below...

The product is so deserving of criticism... Yet none of us can actually drive one to make any actual decisions. Carry on... I think the iPhone 12 sucks.

I sure have. It's an off-road park, not a road of any type. I certainly agree that there are challenging sections there, as well as other places in Moab. But actual roads, places that lead somewhere? I haven't found anything that needs that level of capability.

Ah yes, you're right. Newer vehicles are worse! That's why they design new models... to regress! You know what I don't miss? Dealing with elevation changes with carburetors. Worrying about adjustment and clogged jets and stuck floats. I was SO thrilled the last day I had a vehicle with a...

If you think carburetor-era vehicles were bulletproof for life, your memory is failing you. Also, you're seriously faulting a vehicle for having a problem after 240k miles? I think you have unreasonable expectations.

Right? I though the trolls were exclusive to the new Defender thread.

ooooooooooook I see we are being really productive here. You can mount a winch on an LR3. It's not made of plastic, its a nearly 6000lb truck. It's confusing bc you suggested that I stay at the mall (??) if I don't have a winch, then gave examples of times you got out without a winch.

OK. Noted. I'll stay at the mall (?????). My truck isn't lifted nor does it have oversize tires. It's a stock LR3. The other two rigs had winches and were not helpful in getting me out. All 3 drivers are experienced off-roaders with recovery experience. Are we reading the same post? You said...

I'll shoot you a text! Snow season is upon us :D :D :D I spent $700 a few months ago on recovery gear, so I now have everything short of a winch.

I don't agree with Scott's summary. The rods are indeed a solution if you cannot achieve off-road height or look to make a small lift and cannot do so via the GAP tool. This is why I run a single lift rod on one corner... I was at ~235mm calibration to achieve factory height on my LR (hehe...

1. Rods reduce your suspension articulation. I've done the math/measurements and doing over a 25mm lift puts you into no-no territory for the bump/droop ratio. You're also essentially running around in extended mode which is not good for your compressor or CVs or ball joints. 2. If you get an...

I run 265/65/18 which are both narrowed and shorter and it still required modifications on my LR3, which has fewer parts to move. I have yet to flatten the rear seams (rubbing on both sides) but the front fender liners also needed to be moved along with some wires. Strongly voting 'will rub...

False, the ICON operates via a loophole of refurbishing an older vehicle. Thus the legality. Edit: I see you've mentioned that now. Like others have said, this is a dream and not much else IMO.

How many Mahidra Roxors have you seen driving around with plates? Use that as your guide. It's a huge pain in the ass and as much as I don't agree with the rules they do exist :( Also, the Mahindra is $16k and is a literal CJ3 with all of the engineering and tooling fully depreciated (free)...

Sorry for being pessimistic, but I can't see this happening, at least not in the US. Non-recurring engineering costs are very high and won't be split across a large production base (think Wrangler). This will lead to a less refined, more expensive, but simpler vehicle. Fine. However, the...

I realize mpinco is trying to be helpful, but we are still talking about a different vehicle with a similar system. Now if the post was 'be aware that buying the Torque vectoring system may cause shortened brake service intervals, which may be expensive if you have it done at a dealer' and I...

Perfect. ITS A KIA SOUL. NOT A REAL LAND ROVER. INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION IS FOR THE MALL. IT WILL BE WORTH $5K BEFORE THE NEXT IPHONE IS OUT. AIR SUSPENSION LASTS 2K MILES BEFORE IT BREAKS DOWN. Let's keep it going!

This car isn't out yet. Literally nobody can quote this life reduction or replacement cost. Please please please keep your comments to yourself unless they are FACTUAL.

If you're reading this, let's try to keep this to the Topic discussion ONLY. If you're going to ramble on and on about depreciation, reliability, or other 'lacking' features of a car that you literally have not even driven yet - please find another place to rant. It's getting beyond...