2015/2016 New 3rd gen Tacoma Debut in Detriot

[Saharicon]

Im with p nut! Minus the odd Cab to bed transition I really like the design. Kind of wish I waited a little bit before I purchased the 14.

As others have stated though. Aftermarket looks like it's going to be a pain and hopefully they don't make it over complicated with a bunch of new modern electronics.


Sent from my fancy city machine.

 

[Larry]

#1 reason I see lots of interest in the midsized pickup diesels said to be here soon. Not for cost savings, not because diesel is bad ***, but because you get a big bump in back country range. An idling diesel makes an idling gasser look like a pig regarding fuel burn rates.

Yeah, I could see some people using range as justification to buy a diesel but a person can carry a few Jerry cans of fuel for considerably less than the upcharge cost of a diesel powertrain, diesel fuel, not to mention maintenance and expensive repair cost. Seriously, where in the lower 48 can you go that a person really really needs more than 450 miles of range in the back country? Even spending a week roaming the backcountry of Canyonlands we have plenty of fuel but just because we have plenty of fuel isn't a good excuse to drive for hours in 4lo when you don't need the low range gearing but other than a few obstacles here and there.

As far as on the trail, the two big Dodge diesels (a 2001 with an auto and a 2005 with a manual) that I back country travel with have consumed the exact amount of fuel as my big block gasoline 8.1L does. Two years in a row now. On the highway, that is a different story as they better me by a couple MPG, but lugging around the back country the big gas and two Cummins are doing the same. Again, that has happened two years in a row now (Canyonlands and Death Valley). I was surprised as they were!

I still don't see fuel range as a solid justification for buying a die$el. Let's be honest, the only true justification for buying a diesel is because someone WANTS a diesel regardless if we're talking a 2L diesel or 6L diesel. There is nothing wrong with wanting a diesel regardless what excuse people justify a diesel in their mind. If someone wants something they would have it. The only engine that is better is the one the owners is happy with.

 

[DVexile]

#1 reason I see lots of interest in the midsized pickup diesels said to be here soon. Not for cost savings, not because diesel is bad ***, but because you get a big bump in back country range. An idling diesel makes an idling gasser look like a pig regarding fuel burn rates.

In theory. At least for where I go in practice the reality would be far, far worse range with a diesel because I can top off with 87 octane much closer to many of my off road routes than I would ever be able to with diesel.

 

[calicamper]

Yeah, I could see some people using range as justification to buy a diesel but a person can carry a few Jerry cans of fuel for considerably less than the upcharge cost of a diesel powertrain, diesel fuel, not to mention maintenance and expensive repair cost. Seriously, where in the lower 48 can you go that a person really really needs more than 450 miles of range in the back country? Even spending a week roaming the backcountry of Canyonlands we have plenty of fuel but just because we have plenty of fuel isn't a good excuse to drive for hours in 4lo when you don't need the low range gearing but other than a few obstacles here and there.

As far as on the trail, the two big Dodge diesels (a 2001 with an auto and a 2005 with a manual) that I back country travel with have consumed the exact amount of fuel as my big block gasoline 8.1L does. Two years in a row now. On the highway, that is a different story as they better me by a couple MPG, but lugging around the back country the big gas and two Cummins are doing the same. Again, that has happened two years in a row now (Canyonlands and Death Valley). I was surprised as they were!

I still don't see fuel range as a solid justification for buying a die$el. Let's be honest, the only true justification for buying a diesel is because someone WANTS a diesel regardless if we're talking a 2L diesel or 6L diesel. There is nothing wrong with wanting a diesel regardless what excuse people justify a diesel in their mind. If someone wants something they would have it. The only engine that is better is the one the owners is happy with.

True but a guy like me pays cash for my toys and really has no interest in having fuel cans I need to store some place at home for the few trips I might make a yr not to mention the added weight of the full cans and needed built up rack / bumper weight etc. The big full size truck most guys are hauling some serious weight / gear with them and a 2.8L is a sizable difference in cylinders / volume than the larger diesel rigs.

I never really thought about range much till I had a 2010 Subaru outback parked next to my really nice 93 Land Cruiser. I found my self making the Subaru work by not going certain rough places and packing less because we could do 500 miles a tank if we tried. Wasnt till I experienced driving buy that remote high priced gas station I realized how nice it was having that type of range. The LC fuel range was always a major factor how far we might wander out of curiosity and while seaking out a camp spot low fuel status for sure had us compromise on a spot vs finding a better one. Having lived with the Subaru Range long enough its REALLY nice.... LOL Granted were not getting up some great trails but the concept is the same.

 

[p nut]

Not that you would ever buy one but for kicks I would go test drive a Colorado or Canyon, so you have some modern design factors to think through vs what the Tacoma offers. With Nissan arriving to the game after the cards are on the table Nissan Frontier next gen could be really compelling in the whole midsized game.

Last two trucks are Toyotas but after driving the new Colorado Z1 I could see how there is big room for improvement in the Tacoma and Frontier. Im not a GM fan but I liked much of what I saw with the Colorado. I think the step up Canyon would be far better but need to go see one.

I know exactly what you're saying and do appreciate the new gizmo's in the other trucks. Before buying our new Subaru, we looked at Ford and thought the extra features were great. But at the end of the day, I want a vehicle that will: 1) Get me home and 2) Not nickle-and-dime me after 100k miles. Toyota has this down pat.

 

[p nut]

Yeah, I could see some people using range as justification to buy a diesel but a person can carry a few Jerry cans of fuel for considerably less than the upcharge cost of a diesel powertrain, diesel fuel, not to mention maintenance and expensive repair cost. Seriously, where in the lower 48 can you go that a person really really needs more than 450 miles of range in the back country? Even spending a week roaming the backcountry of Canyonlands we have plenty of fuel but just because we have plenty of fuel isn't a good excuse to drive for hours in 4lo when you don't need the low range gearing but other than a few obstacles here and there.

As far as on the trail, the two big Dodge diesels (a 2001 with an auto and a 2005 with a manual) that I back country travel with have consumed the exact amount of fuel as my big block gasoline 8.1L does. Two years in a row now. On the highway, that is a different story as they better me by a couple MPG, but lugging around the back country the big gas and two Cummins are doing the same. Again, that has happened two years in a row now (Canyonlands and Death Valley). I was surprised as they were!

I still don't see fuel range as a solid justification for buying a die$el. Let's be honest, the only true justification for buying a diesel is because someone WANTS a diesel regardless if we're talking a 2L diesel or 6L diesel. There is nothing wrong with wanting a diesel regardless what excuse people justify a diesel in their mind. If someone wants something they would have it. The only engine that is better is the one the owners is happy with.

Yup. I'm jealous of the trucks sold overseas, but the fact they can get them with diesels is not the reason.

 

[calicamper]

I know exactly what you're saying and do appreciate the new gizmo's in the other trucks. Before buying our new Subaru, we looked at Ford and thought the extra features were great. But at the end of the day, I want a vehicle that will: 1) Get me home and 2) Not nickle-and-dime me after 100k miles. Toyota has this down pat.

True 2010 2.5 cvt OB out front with my 4x6 utilty trailer hooked up. About to go out and finish hauling the downed tree out to the trailer. Trip #2 to the green waste drop. First one was 1240lbs of stuff in the 800lb trailer. Grandpa has my truck this week. The good news is I have his SLK ;-)

I liked the ride quality the most. Thought it was a sizable improvement on the Tacoma and Frontier.

 

[Overlanerd]

Plus, the electric shift is just too slow when working a 4x4 hard off road. Ever been on one of those trails where you shift back and forth from 4hi to 4low 10 times within 50 yards? Electric shift it too slow to react for those type trails and often reject shifts if the vehicle is barely moving, etc.

I had that issue until I read the manual and practiced with the electronic shift. Clutch in, stick in neutral... It actually works! Before that I was going backwards, forwards, and getting pissed off trying to get out of 4-Lo. This is coming from a someone who complained about the single lever T-case shifter in a 1972 Scout after having twin stick shifter in my long- gone 1965 Scout 80. Out of the 6 4x4's I've owned, the twin stick was the best. It's still an aftermarket option if a 6-speed FJ transfer case is out there...

 

[Willman]

I like it.......

 

[Ryanmb21]

People should stop writing about their desire for a transfer case lever, a Diesel engine, and vinyl floors...

Every thread about a new truck on this board since inception is the SAME THING. Get a new take.

Regarding the pictures of the tacoma, I like it, although it's hard to get passed the ugly blue and those wheels.

 

[Purple People Eater]

People should stop writing about their desire for a transfer case lever, a Diesel engine, and vinyl floors...

Every thread about a new truck on this board since inception is the SAME THING. Get a new take.

Regarding the pictures of the tacoma, I like it, although it's hard to get passed the ugly blue and those wheels.

I agree with you. It's the same old gripes and moans about the same dreams. Although, I disagree with you on those **************' wheels. I dig 'em. And I dig this new truck. I'm putting away for a big down payment on a 2017.

 

[Overlanerd]

People should stop writing about their desire for a transfer case lever, a Diesel engine, and vinyl floors...

Every thread abouto a new truck on this board since inception is the SAME THING. Get a new take.

Regarding the pictures of the tacoma, I like it, although it's hard to get passed the ugly blue and those wheels.

C'mon, this whole site is about vehicle modifications! We're all getting old and have way more responsibilities= no time to work on the truck. It's contradictory since we're all touting our mods, trying to be unique, while still desiring a turn-key set up. We want the basics: better mileage, no ticking, manual transmission option, vinyl floors, 4runner seats, etc. The stuff they already offer in other Toyota vehicles. Everything else can be dealt with (IMO) aftermarket.

 

[Overlanerd]

Another interesting thing is the front fender flare starting at the front of the doors. The flare is minimal on the 5th gen 4Runners, more significant on the Tundras, and somewhere in between on the Tacoma.

 

[DaveInDenver]

How great it would be to have leather seats so my pickup truck was more like a BMW 5 series! So glad new trucks don't have all those confusing sticks everywhere, it would distract from Pandora surfing.

 

[drsmonkey]

I think it is interesting that so many people are looking for better mileage in these trucks. Better mileage comes at the cost of other desirable features. There are 3 main ways that a manufacturer can get higher mpg; Weight, aerodynamics, and drivetrain efficiency.

Weight = lighter frame, lighter bumpers, lighter (i.e. softer) rear springs, etc. = less durability. So you swap out the bumpers, box and reinforce the frame to support the bumpers (and heavy stuff we bolt to them), put on heavier springs to support all the stuff in the bed.

Aerodynamics = airdams, long rigid "mud" flaps, long pointy overhangs= stuff that gets ripped off either intentionally before or accidentally during offloading, then a roof rack with a bunch of stuff gets stuck on top anyway.

Drivetrain efficiency = lighter components, either lower output or more complicated engines, smaller lower rolling resistance tires etc. = light stuff breaks, complicated engines are harder to fix in the middle of nowhere, low output ones can't hual the load, the OEM tires suck so we replace them.

I'm all for fuel efficiency, I have a rule that every new vehicle I buy has to get better mpg than the one it is replacing, but lets be realistic. Anything that Toyota does to improve mileage on these trucks is going to either be negated by the load, swapped out, or cursed for breaking by 90% of the people on this forum.

It would be nice if our Tacos could make 500miles on a 20gallon tank, but lets call it what it is, a truck. By definition of use a truck is not going to get good mpg, but it can be more efficient at hauling the load we expect of them.

All that is to say, give us a turbo 4 cylinder diesel all ready. Oh ya, fix that stupid low hanging exhaust crossover pipe too