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I understand that, hence my last sentence. But to call a 5k lb vehicle having "no weight"....seems extreme, even relatively speaking to older models. Perhaps time for better tires?
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I understand that, hence my last sentence. But to call a 5k lb vehicle having "no weight"....seems extreme, even relatively speaking to older models. Perhaps time for better tires?
thethePete
Explorer
ar·gu·men·ta·tive
ˌärɡyəˈmen(t)ədiv/
adjective
adjective: argumentative
1.
given to expressing divergent or opposite views.
"an argumentative child"
synonyms: quarrelsome, disputatious, captious, contrary, cantankerous, contentious
Perhaps "contrary" would have been more appropriate? This has nothing to do with my "sensitivity" level, and I'm not particularly upset, I was being genuine. You've contridicted almost everyone on here who's made a statement about this truck, all while claiming to want it so bad as to be buying one personally. That's fairly "argumentative" if you ask me. Just like someone who is "agreeable" doesn't necessarily have to "agree" with everything to fit the definition. Is english your second language? Or is the OCD part of something more aspergers-y? I have a good friend who's on the spectrum and he has a hard time relating to people too.
No. That small a difference in spring deflection on a non-progressive pack is almost irrelevant. The difference is in the shocks they use. One of the rear shocks on a Raptor is worth more than all 4 on an FX4. If we were talking about progressive leaf packs, that would be a different matter. They expect that people would want to rip around in their Raptor with an empty bed when playing, so they gave it a marginally softer spring to accomodate that.
I don't think you really understand what a bypass shock is or how it works. Have you ever seen a touring car hit a curb?
Pretty truck.
In other news, we're a Roush dealer, and not an SVT dealer, so no employee pricing for me. Should start seeing the 10-spd in the F150s soon though. I'll report back on what that feels like to drive when I do my first PDI.
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OCD Overland
Explorer
Wow. Just, wow. I add a piece of info to a part of the discussion that I wasn't even involved in prior to my post and instead of a 'thanks' you call me argumentative and then I get this. I think that friend of yours may your friend in the mirror. I'm going to guess your only one. I thought your first 'you're out of line!' post about a snark was a gross over reaction, but I didn't go there. But this? You seem to take every post and work overtime at finding the absolute worst way you can find to interpret it. If it were just me, then maybe it's me, but given what others have said openly about you, I'm clearly not the only one. You should take a break. Talk with someone. Serously.
thethePete
Explorer
But what I really need is a hug from you.
thethePete
Explorer
Also, you'll note, that I expanded on your information, but all you chose to take out of that was what you did.
My problem is that I don't have patience for "internet experts". You're arguing with people who have a thorough understanding of the principles and operating characteristics of what we're talking about and attempting to knock down their arguments on semantics, minute details, and things that have little to do with the grand scheme of how it operates. Some of us have spent years becoming very competent and knowledgable about these things and it's more than frustrating when someone chooses to debate something they are out of their depth on and try to use banal trivia to "win the argument". You've also been involved in the conversation for a while now, and have been antagonistic towards me in other threads, so don't play the "I just got here" card.
My problem is that I don't have patience for "internet experts". You're arguing with people who have a thorough understanding of the principles and operating characteristics of what we're talking about and attempting to knock down their arguments on semantics, minute details, and things that have little to do with the grand scheme of how it operates. Some of us have spent years becoming very competent and knowledgable about these things and it's more than frustrating when someone chooses to debate something they are out of their depth on and try to use banal trivia to "win the argument". You've also been involved in the conversation for a while now, and have been antagonistic towards me in other threads, so don't play the "I just got here" card.
Trophycummins
Adventurer
No, theyre not bypasses. They just have digressive valving. Completely different constructions and dyno plots.
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FordGuy1
Adventurer
Not true, they are a real bypass, they just use an internal channel in a double wall tube to bypass internally instead of a external tube. They use internal bleed holes and refill hole that push
and pull the fluid thru the cavity between the outer in inner shock body.
OCD Overland
Explorer
That was my understanding as well, though I'm sure there are multiple designs. I suspect that the more expensive offroad shocks use external bypasses just because there's a lot more fluid to move.
OCD Overland
Explorer
Look, apparently I don't even have to disagree with you in order for you to label me as being argumentative and then accuse me of having some mental disorder.
So yes, I'm going to ignore the rest of your post.
thethePete
Explorer
You seem to be missing the definition of argumentative, and your name is "OCD Overland", and I believe I've seen you make mention of your OCD tendencies. Glazing over the rest was just laziness on your behalf. This is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you have any other problems with me, feel free to PM me about it and stop cluttering up threads with your personal vendetta. I notice you're real quick to argue, and I haven't heard you once admit you were wrong or out of line, we just quietly move on....
Trophycummins
Adventurer
Anybody got a link? The penskes i've taken out of stock cars to revalve at work have all been simple monotubes with internal floating pistons.
OCD Overland
Explorer
I don't think the Penske shocks use a double wall like FordGuy was talking about, but rather use bypass valves built into the reservoir. I think the Koni FSD uses bypass valves in the piston itself. I'll see if I can find a link to either.
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here's a pdf for the penske - http://www.penskeshocks.com/assets/Adjustable Manual1.pdf
and a description of the koni - https://www.koni.com/en-US/Cars/Technology/FSD/
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here's a pdf for the penske - http://www.penskeshocks.com/assets/Adjustable Manual1.pdf
and a description of the koni - https://www.koni.com/en-US/Cars/Technology/FSD/
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Trophycummins
Adventurer
We're completely off topic but...koni FSD isnt used in their on-road race shocks. Just their application specific stuff.
badm0t0rfinger
Raptor Apologist.
I think if I do end up getting one I'll wait until the MY18, just so that any kinks or bugs get worked out and any potential upgrades be added. I'm not convinced at all that they will add a V8 option, especially if the V6TT sells like hotcakes. I'd just have a problem trading in mine, which I love, in for something different. However I have no problem saying it will probably be much better than the first gen Raptor.
Oh, and the Roush supercharger is kind of garbage. There are plenty better options, at least in my opinion, based on what I've been told by owners and data itself.
Oh, and the Roush supercharger is kind of garbage. There are plenty better options, at least in my opinion, based on what I've been told by owners and data itself.
OCD Overland
Explorer
Ah, well the only reason I even know about them is because that's what McLaren uses, and I think F1 definitely qualifies as "application specific", lol.