blackangie
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I read the D5 quality coming out of slovakia is impressive..and they have large capacity.
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blackangie
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I'd be interested to know specifically how have they lost the plot from a business case and customer purchasing point of view?
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blackangie
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Very sure mate, I work for JLR as much as you work for Jeep
I find it hilarious and a little sad that on a LR thread about the new defender news, anyone positive and excited is a paid rep of LR.
2020 Defender Spy Shots....
The Rubicon tops out well north of $50K with the bits and bobs most want on it, and the Gladiator touches $60K, more with tax and title in many places. They're lifestyle vehicles, and that's fine. Interestingly, in 2013, FCA said the average household income of a Wrangler Rubicon buyer was...
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TexasTJ
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For sure I was really excited when the first real images came out. I was even thinking I would be buying my first "new" Land Rover. Jeep and Mercedes have both been able to hold on to the core soul of there flag ship offroades while making them modern and Better. I'm sure this will be a vary Nice Vehicle, Its just a little to LR4 not enough Defender. Very sure mate, I work for JLR as much as you work for Jeep
I find it hilarious and a little sad that on a LR thread about the new defender news, anyone positive and excited is a paid rep of LR.
2020 Defender Spy Shots....
The Rubicon tops out well north of $50K with the bits and bobs most want on it, and the Gladiator touches $60K, more with tax and title in many places. They're lifestyle vehicles, and that's fine. Interestingly, in 2013, FCA said the average household income of a Wrangler Rubicon buyer was...
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blackangie
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Who knows they might surprise us, im interested on interior layout
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blackangie
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2020 Land Rover Defender cracks a million kilometres
New images show a clearer picture of the new Land Rover Defender as the testing miles pile on
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DieselRanger
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Great, I explicitly mentioned a diesel and the replies I got were about petrol engines. In these applications I prefer diesel for the range, torque, and durability which no doubt you are familiar with as well.
I don't doubt it's coming, but the road to certification in the US is long and expensive, thanks to Volkswagen and FCA and others. It's gonna be a while. It's my experience that dealers will take a deposit on an interstellar time-traveling spaceship if you give them a check.
In any case, expect Ingenium gassers first. JLR more broadly is stinging from their approach to diesels in Europe and the rapidly declining demand there where diesels made up over 90% of JLR sales. The utter lack of any kind of news regarding a six-cylinder turbodiesel Ingenium, plus the switch in Europe to the non-Ingenium SDV6 from the Td6 for MY 2019 seems to indicate they are either struggling with certification or struggling with other issues related to customer expectations and demand, or both. FWIW I hope we get it in the US.
The good news is the D5's engine bay was designed from the start to accept the longer inline-6 block. Pic attached - that's mine, and that's about 10+" of space between the front of the block and the radiator. It's practically mid-front-engined. The Defender is based on the same modular architecture so it's reasonable to expect the Defender will get the inline 6's as well - at least for the 110 which should have similar external dimensions to the Discovery.
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We just got the 2020 RR product guide this morning. V6 SC gasser is dead, Inginium Inline 6 is in. The TD6 Stays on for the 2020 model year despite the fact that I cant get any one to buy a diesel. We can pretty well surmise that the Defender will come with the I6. If we're lucky, we'll get the TD6 as well because it's been certified elsewhere in the line up for 2020.
The I6 RRS's started to roll in two weeks ago for the 19.5 model year. It's nice engine, better tq than the V6, supposedly better economy as well, but boy oh boy, does it look like a mess to work on.
The I6 RRS's started to roll in two weeks ago for the 19.5 model year. It's nice engine, better tq than the V6, supposedly better economy as well, but boy oh boy, does it look like a mess to work on.
DieselRanger
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Diesels are selling much better out west. My local dealer says they're selling a lot of Disco Td6's. A few people want Td6 RRS's but they are hard to find, I think most are probably orders, none listed on our lot. Diesel last week was $2.99/gal, about the same as premium and diesel pumps are ubiquitous.
My local dealer said the old SCV6 was pretty reliable - they said they hardly ever saw problems unless people were messing with them (pulleys, etc). But then it was a Ford engine.
JackW
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Dieselranger, that was my thought the first time I popped the hood on my diesel D5, look at all of the space in front of the engine. It was obviously designed to accommodate an inline six. Here in Georgia diesel is running about 10 cents a gallon less than premium fuel. I'm averaging over 400 miles between fillups running around town and over 600 per tank on long highway trips. The torque is phenomenal and the truck is almost silent running down the road at 75 mph. For long trips the Discovery is the vehicle of choice in our driveway. It drives and handles better than my old 2007 LR3.
I'm thinking the new Defender should be a lot more off road capable due to the shorter overhangs and hopefully bigger tires but just as nice on the highway as the Discovery. That's not a bad combination and as someone who thinks nothing of a 10-11 hour drive in a TDi powered D-90 or even long drives in one of my two Series IIA's I'm sure my wife will enjoy a more civilized version of a Defender.
Just from what I'm seeing it looks like the new Defender will go to about 90 percent of the places I would want to travel to where the Discovery 5 might hit the 75-80 percent range. Time will tell of these impressions are accurate. I'm not I into the extreme end of rock climbing and mud bogging like some of the Jeep crowd enjoys, more of the BDR routes and overlanding type travel which the new Defender might be very good at. I'm primarily concerned about the ability to add on some body protection like bumpers and rock sliders.
I'm thinking the new Defender should be a lot more off road capable due to the shorter overhangs and hopefully bigger tires but just as nice on the highway as the Discovery. That's not a bad combination and as someone who thinks nothing of a 10-11 hour drive in a TDi powered D-90 or even long drives in one of my two Series IIA's I'm sure my wife will enjoy a more civilized version of a Defender.
Just from what I'm seeing it looks like the new Defender will go to about 90 percent of the places I would want to travel to where the Discovery 5 might hit the 75-80 percent range. Time will tell of these impressions are accurate. I'm not I into the extreme end of rock climbing and mud bogging like some of the Jeep crowd enjoys, more of the BDR routes and overlanding type travel which the new Defender might be very good at. I'm primarily concerned about the ability to add on some body protection like bumpers and rock sliders.
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blackangie
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Interesting with the space in the D5
Few things that might help
Emissions of modern LR diesel, dont think they will have US cert problems.
Disco 33mg/km
Looks like FCA (Jeep/Ram etc) got caught big time.
VW were first big one to get caught.
Interestingly other articles show Bosch created the software and they are being investigated also.
I was under the impression that the discovery 5 was on the d7u platform
And the new defender was on the new MLA platform which accepts all types of electrification.
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blackangie
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On the accessories front lucky 8 released this vid.
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